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Re: did the protestors spread the virus?
Reply #165 - Jul 16th, 2020 at 4:52pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
Don't worry frank, it may well emerge that the negligent security guards were black or muslim or BLM activists - then it will be safe for you to focus your rage on that.



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Reply #166 - Jul 16th, 2020 at 5:56pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 10:37am:
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2020 at 11:56am:


The Smear-stralian is obviously pay-walled, but this from another Murdoch rag:

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Two protesters who attended the Black Lives Matter rally have had their COVID-19 cases linked to the outbreak in Melbourne's public housing towers.

Health authorities have confirmed the link without saying if the protesters lived, visited or were close contacts of those in the towers, The Australian reports.


So this is what they mean by "link" - which is clarified a few paragraphs below:

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The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state's largest cluster to date.


https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/black-lives-matter-rally-linked-to-towers-o...

So by "link", all they mean is that at least 2 people (out of 10 thousand) who attended the protest were infected at the time - but with no evidence whatsoever that attending the protest caused more spreading of the infection.

This is the modus operandi of the Murdoch propaganda - to highlight something ambiguous that they know can and will be misconstrued in a particular way - and de-emphasise the actual truth as much as they can.


They have been closing beaches for months, even when people stay well clear of each other. But now we suddenly need evidence that outdoor gatherings can spread the virus?
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Re: did the protestors spread the virus?
Reply #167 - Jul 16th, 2020 at 7:37pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
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Yeah, large gatherings during a pandemic have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.


and no doubt security guards literally sleeping with infected patients and taking them out to restaurants has nuffin to do with nuffin right?

Don't worry frank, it may well emerge that the negligent security guards were black or muslim or BLM activists - then it will be safe for you to focus your rage on that.



None of those cut price 'security guards' were white Europeans - no Danes, English, Americans, Canadians, Swedes, Germans.

Thirdy worldy Arabs, Islanders, Pakis - people who could not get anything better because they have no language and no skills.  Make a mental note as you walk around shopping centres, banks, etc where security guards are employed. No whites. Anywhere.  Same with the airport security screeners - since 9/11 they have become ALL Arabs or other NESB tinted. you NEVER see a dinky-di Australian at security except in regional airports. In Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane etc - all bearded Arabs and other foreigners.


Come on, do your victim impersonation, as you always do.  Australia took Muslims in just to make them victims. And Muslims keep wanting to come because they don;t know nuffin'.  Go on, that's your schtik.


You are as incoherent as Paki, Bwian and all the other 'professors of diversity'.






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Re: did the protestors spread the virus?
Reply #168 - Jul 17th, 2020 at 9:38am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 5:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 10:37am:
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2020 at 11:56am:


The Smear-stralian is obviously pay-walled, but this from another Murdoch rag:

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Two protesters who attended the Black Lives Matter rally have had their COVID-19 cases linked to the outbreak in Melbourne's public housing towers.

Health authorities have confirmed the link without saying if the protesters lived, visited or were close contacts of those in the towers, The Australian reports.


So this is what they mean by "link" - which is clarified a few paragraphs below:

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The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state's largest cluster to date.


https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/black-lives-matter-rally-linked-to-towers-o...

So by "link", all they mean is that at least 2 people (out of 10 thousand) who attended the protest were infected at the time - but with no evidence whatsoever that attending the protest caused more spreading of the infection.

This is the modus operandi of the Murdoch propaganda - to highlight something ambiguous that they know can and will be misconstrued in a particular way - and de-emphasise the actual truth as much as they can.


They have been closing beaches for months, even when people stay well clear of each other. But now we suddenly need evidence that outdoor gatherings can spread the virus?


Your logic does not follow FD.

Keeping in mind we are not arguing whether or not the protest (or going to the beach) was a good idea.
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Reply #169 - Jul 17th, 2020 at 7:17pm
 
What logic is that Gandalf? What is the issue with me pointing out this hypocrisy? They actually closed a pier to fishing in Victoria a few days after the protest, citing failure to follow social distancing guidelines as justification. As with all the beach closures, the articles about it included photos of people clearly maintaining their distance from each other, pretty much the opposite of the protestors. This was followed shortly after by reassurances that the protestors did not spread the virus, without any explanation of how they came to that conclusion, followed shortly after by reassurances that Victoria was not having a second wave.
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Reply #170 - Jul 17th, 2020 at 7:42pm
 
We are not having a second wave, it’s a frigging tsunami!

If after this weekend the daily figures and deaths don’t improve, say hello to stage four and goodbye to what little freedom we had with stage three!!


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Reply #171 - Jul 18th, 2020 at 7:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
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Yeah, large gatherings during a pandemic have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.


and no doubt security guards literally sleeping with infected patients and taking them out to restaurants has nuffin to do with nuffin right?

Don't worry frank, it may well emerge that the negligent security guards were black or muslim or BLM activists - then it will be safe for you to focus your rage on that.


Emerge??

It's evident.  Since airport checks have been introduced because of Muslim terrorism, almost all the people checking you at airports are... er... bearded and hijabi Muslims.

it's ludicrous.


The sons of Mohammed have been saying that COVID affects only the infidels because they don't pee like Mohammed said. So they have been ignoring all that 'inglis'  colonial guff about social distancing and have gathered, instead, for large Eid celebrations.

NESBy efnic ijits with extra religious chip/stupidity = 'Muslim communities'.  Even Dr Rifi is despairing. (Largely because he does speak English and when you do, the stupidity of the 'efnic community' is startling.)


"Dr Rifi believes some linguistically diverse communities in Sydney are missing out on crucial health messaging, ­social-distancing instructions and updates on the COVID-19 health guidelines."

And of course it's the governments' responsibility to get through to the thick, NESBy numbskulls. THEY have zero responsibility to actually learn the language and to fit in. No - it's the wacist, Islamophobic Australian society's responsibility to hold down the Musselmans, open their thick skulls and pour reason into them.

There is simply NUFFIN' you can expect from Muslims who came here. Assimilate? Integrate? Nooooo!!!!!  It's everyone else's responsibility to get you fvkers see reason (something you have resisted for 1400 years and will certainly not start now). i
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Re: did the protestors spread the virus?
Reply #172 - Jul 18th, 2020 at 9:23pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2020 at 7:36pm:
Since airport checks have been introduced because of Muslim terrorism, almost all the people checking you at airports are... er... bearded and hijabi Muslims.

it's ludicrous.



more bullsh1t.  Do you see muslims in your sleep to?
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Reply #173 - Jul 19th, 2020 at 8:57am
 
I have not heard of any sources stating that the current virus spread was sourced from the protesters in BLM. I have heard that 2 or 3 protesters had the virus. But nothing about them spreading it among 40,000. How many protesters had the virus 2 weeks later from the protests?
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Reply #174 - Jul 19th, 2020 at 10:46am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19th, 2020 at 8:57am:
I have not heard of any sources stating that the current virus spread was sourced from the protesters in BLM. I have heard that 2 or 3 protesters had the virus. But nothing about them spreading it among 40,000. How many protesters had the virus 2 weeks later from the protests?


Thats because groups of people moving around in the outdoors don't spread viruses
freediver accepted this when he argued passionately that beach goers aren't spreading the virus. For some reason he has completely changed his position when it comes to the BLM protests.

For the record, I supported freediver in his argument that beach goers weren't spreading the virus
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Reply #175 - Jul 19th, 2020 at 1:42pm
 
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For some reason he has completely changed his position


No I haven't. You are just telling different lies about what I said.

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I have not heard of any sources stating that the current virus spread was sourced from the protesters in BLM. I have heard that 2 or 3 protesters had the virus.


The Victorian government is trying to keep people in the dark on this, because they did nothing to stop the protest, instead focusing on preventing people going fishing and reassuring everyone there is no second wave.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8525221/Health-officials-confirm-six-Black-Lives-Matter-protesters-Melbourne-tested-positive-COVID-19.html

At least six protesters who attended a recent Black Lives Matter rally in Melbourne have since tested positive to coronavirus, health officials have confirmed. 

But the department has refuted claims the June 6 protest is linked to an outbreak cluster in Melbourne's public housing towers, which has contributed to a second wave of new infections.

The Department of Health and Human Services previously said four people who attended the 10,000-strong rally last month had tested positive. 

The department has since clarified the figure after it was revealed two protesters were part of the public housing tower cluster where at least 242 cases have been recorded.

And that is just the ones they are aware of. There is a very long list of 'unknown' sources, and I think even the BLM protestors are smart enough to figure out it is a bad look for the movement if they admit to going after testing positive.
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Re: did the protestors spread the virus?
Reply #176 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 11:07am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2020 at 7:17pm:
What is the issue with me pointing out this hypocrisy?


Nothing. Its just not what this thread started out as. You orginally seemed to want to somehow prove that the protests spread the virus, not point out any hypocricy. The problem of course is that there is no actual evidence that the protests spread the virus. Not even the best efforts of Murdoch propaganda could find any, and no, finding two infected people who attended the protest and dishonestly trumpeting this as a "link" to the spread, is not evidence.

So by all means, point out the hypocricy and the stupidity of having outdoor gatherings - I'll be there cheering you on. But I was responding specifically to the clear insinuation in the OP plus the blatant dishonesty of News Ltd which someone brought up to try and "prove" that the protest spread the virus.
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Reply #177 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 5:03pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21st, 2020 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2020 at 7:17pm:
What is the issue with me pointing out this hypocrisy?


Nothing. Its just not what this thread started out as. You orginally seemed to want to somehow prove that the protests spread the virus, not point out any hypocricy. The problem of course is that there is no actual evidence that the protests spread the virus. Not even the best efforts of Murdoch propaganda could find any, and no, finding two infected people who attended the protest and dishonestly trumpeting this as a "link" to the spread, is not evidence.

So by all means, point out the hypocricy and the stupidity of having outdoor gatherings - I'll be there cheering you on. But I was responding specifically to the clear insinuation in the OP plus the blatant dishonesty of News Ltd which someone brought up to try and "prove" that the protest spread the virus.

These marches were the BIGGEST outdoor gatherings in recent months.

All other gatherings of much smaller numbers are attracting fines and a stern talking-to. People are told to keep at least 1.5 away from each other, etc. What IS the point of these restrictions if ten thousand people on the street for BLM has nuffin' to do wiv' nuffin'. Coz the woke media said so and the Murdoch Press didn't go along wiv that - that's seems a really strong point in your mind. Coz being a BLM protester is a magic vaccine. Just like you can't get infected if you are a Muslim at a massive Eid celebration.


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Reply #178 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 5:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2020 at 1:42pm:
The Victorian government is trying to keep people in the dark on this, because they did nothing to stop the protest, instead focusing on preventing people going fishing and reassuring everyone there is no second wave.



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Reply #179 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 6:08pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21st, 2020 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2020 at 7:17pm:
What is the issue with me pointing out this hypocrisy?


Nothing. Its just not what this thread started out as. You orginally seemed to want to somehow prove that the protests spread the virus, not point out any hypocricy.


I believe it started out as a question.

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The problem of course is that there is no actual evidence that the protests spread the virus.


The government controls the evidence. There is no transparency in what they do with it. The government has a clear vested interest in misrepresenting it - for example in claiming that there is no second wave, when there clearly is, and also they do not want to blame the second wave on an event they condoned, against all common sense.

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Not even the best efforts of Murdoch propaganda could find any


I posted some here. Not sure if it made it into the murdock press, but I expect they all reported the same thing.

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finding two infected people who attended the protest and dishonestly trumpeting this as a "link" to the spread, is not evidence.


Only two eh?

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But I was responding specifically to the clear insinuation in the OP plus the blatant dishonesty of News Ltd which someone brought up to try and "prove" that the protest spread the virus.


What blatant dishonesty?
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