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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25024 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #195 - Jul 25^th, 2020 at 4:31pm I would be sure that most transmissions are among the locals of recent. But most of the recent arrivals were the reason for the recent local transmissions. Easily 95% of the transmissions, I surmise, would be local. But it was provoked by recent arrivals from overseas.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49509 At my desk.	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #196 - Jul 25^th, 2020 at 5:26pm Did they antagonise the virus?
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Reply #197 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 1:55pm

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2020 at 6:08pm:

The government controls the evidence. There is no transparency in what they do with it. The government has a clear vested interest in misrepresenting it - for example in claiming that there is no second wave, when there clearly is, and also they do not want to blame the second wave on an event they condoned, against all common sense.

Tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense. To demonstrate how little sense this makes, the government, according to you, are too terrified to blame stupid people for participating in a completely unnecessary mass demonstration - but they are evidently not too terrified to blame their own actual direct bungling of the quarantine process. Since you do realise Andrews is now openly admitting this wave was caused by his own incompetence with quarantine right??

Also, the government did not "condone" the BLM event, they were literally begging people not to go. Both federal and state. Nothing would please them more to be able to say "I told you so!" - especially if it could deflect from their onw very direct bungling of the quarantine process. Unfortunately though there's this pesky little thing called evidence. Something which you apparently have no conception of.

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Reply #198 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 1:58pm

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2020 at 6:08pm:

The government has a clear vested interest in misrepresenting it - for example in claiming that there is no second wave, when there clearly is, and also they do not want to blame the second wave on an event they condoned, against all common sense.

The government didn't condone the protests.

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Reply #199 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 7:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 1:58pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2020 at 6:08pm:

The government has a clear vested interest in misrepresenting it - for example in claiming that there is no second wave, when there clearly is, and also they do not want to blame the second wave on an event they condoned, against all common sense.

The government didn't condone the protests.

Allowed, condoned - you explain the difference. turd.

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Reply #200 - Jul 30^th, 2020 at 8:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2020 at 6:08pm:

The government controls the evidence. There is no transparency in what they do with it. The government has a clear vested interest in misrepresenting it - for example in claiming that there is no second wave, when there clearly is, and also they do not want to blame the second wave on an event they condoned, against all common sense.

Tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense. To demonstrate how little sense this makes, the government, according to you, are too terrified to blame stupid people for participating in a completely unnecessary mass demonstration - but they are evidently not too terrified to blame their own actual direct bungling of the quarantine process. Since you do realise Andrews is now openly admitting this wave was caused by his own incompetence with quarantine right??

Also, the government did not "condone" the BLM event, they were literally begging people not to go. Both federal and state. Nothing would please them more to be able to say "I told you so!" - especially if it could deflect from their onw very direct bungling of the quarantine process. Unfortunately though there's this pesky little thing called evidence. Something which you apparently have no conception of.

It is not a conspiracy Gandalf. The Victorian government actually said we are not in a second wave. They lied when it suited them. It was also within the Victorian government's power to prevent the protest from happening. The whole "begging them not to" bit was their way of signalling that they did not intend to exercise that authority.

Why do you think that judge in Sydney upheld the ban on the more recent protest if the Victorian government was being honest in it's claim that the previous protest did not spread the virus? If the Victorian government was not lying through it's teeth, it would be proof that the protests are not an unreasonable risk to take.

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Reply #201 - Jul 31^st, 2020 at 10:28am

There's no real evidence about protesters spreading the virus, but we can say for sure that it was spread into the country by wealthy people who are rich enough to afford to go overseas by plane or sail on cruise ships. This is a virus spread into Australia by wealthy people. Once it gets into the country it spreads far and wide, but it wasn't the poor who brought it into the country.

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Reply #202 - Jul 31^st, 2020 at 12:18pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 8:25pm:

It was also within the Victorian government's power to prevent the protest from happening. The whole "begging them not to" bit was their way of signalling that they did not intend to exercise that authority.

The whole "begging them not to" bit is first and foremost an emphatic demonstration of them not condoning the protest. But do continue shifting the goalposts.

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 8:25pm:

Why do you think that judge in Sydney upheld the ban on the more recent protest if the Victorian government was being honest in it's claim that the previous protest did not spread the virus?

Logical fallacy. Public gatherings at this time of any sort are a bad idea full stop - regardless of whether or not a previous gathering did in fact cause a fresh outbreak. This is a no-brainer for the Sydney judge - irrespective of what the Melbourne protest did or didn't cause.

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 8:25pm:

If the Victorian government was not lying through it's teeth, it would be proof that the protests are not an unreasonable risk to take.

Rubbish. Any public gatherings are an unreasonable risk to take - and citing just one particular gathering that seems to have fluked it and dodged a bullet, does not magically make them not unreasonable. You may as well say not wearing seatbelts in a reasonable risk to take - because I can show you one example where someone drove without one, and no one got hurt. Actually I could show you a thousand.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #203 - Jul 31^st, 2020 at 12:21pm

Bam wrote on Jul 31^st, 2020 at 10:28am:

There's no real evidence about protesters spreading the virus, but we can say for sure that it was spread into the country by wealthy people who are rich enough to afford to go overseas by plane or sail on cruise ships. This is a virus spread into Australia by wealthy people. Once it gets into the country it spreads far and wide, but it wasn't the poor who brought it into the country.

Wealthy people who test positive, told to quarantine, and then get taken out to restaurants by the people supposed to be keeping them in quarantine.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #204 - Jul 31^st, 2020 at 12:24pm

Bam wrote on Jul 31^st, 2020 at 10:28am:

There's no real evidence about protesters spreading the virus, but we can say for sure that it was spread into the country by wealthy people who are rich enough to afford to go overseas by plane or sail on cruise ships. This is a virus spread into Australia by wealthy people. Once it gets into the country it spreads far and wide, but it wasn't the poor who brought it into the country.

This wealthy prick is trying to spread it further:

If Clive Palmer wins in the High Court, is that the end of WA's pandemic defence?

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Reply #205 - Jul 31^st, 2020 at 4:55pm

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The whole "begging them not to" bit is first and foremost an emphatic demonstration of them not condoning the protest. But do continue shifting the goalposts.

It was already illegal. Yet somehow it went ahead with the Victorian government asking them nicely nice to go.

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Logical fallacy. Public gatherings at this time of any sort are a bad idea full stop

They were a bad idea a month ago as well.

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Rubbish. Any public gatherings are an unreasonable risk to take

Including the earlier BLM protests?

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Reply #206 - Aug 4^th, 2020 at 2:00pm

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2020 at 4:55pm:

It was already illegal. Yet somehow it went ahead with the Victorian government asking them nicely nice to go.

I don't know if they were technically illegal or not. What I do know is that you originally said the government "condoned" the protests, and are now trying to shift the goalposts after being proven wrong.

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2020 at 4:55pm:

Including the earlier BLM protests?

Of course. But being a bad idea in terms of risking the spread of infection doesn't mean it actually did spread the infection.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49509 At my desk.	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #207 - Aug 4^th, 2020 at 6:13pm Quote: Of course. But being a bad idea in terms of risking the spread of infection doesn't mean it actually did spread the infection. And what does?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #208 - Aug 4^th, 2020 at 6:44pm correlation is not causation FD. Why don't I just show you the exact same graph with a pointer showing when the security guards started taking out infected people to restaurants?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49509 At my desk.	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #209 - Aug 4^th, 2020 at 6:47pm Yes please. I have already asked you about this alleged synchronised inmate rooting. But you ran away. What percentage of the 2nd wave infections can be traced back to this rooting?
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