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Reply #255 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 10:28am

Between the BLM pricks, the 3rd world non English speaking immigrants being jammed into towers along with the Muslim and black African security guards Australia is in a dark place, a blackened place, at least immigration has ceased and the Abbos have been appeased with another massive handout, for now.

Oh and the Chinaman who spread this virus and who live 15 to a flat eating all sorts of animals.

The bubonic plague is looking like the next pandemic compliments of the Chinese.

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Reply #256 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 2:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2020 at 8:31am:

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2020 at 8:20am:

Does anyone else think it is dangerous that the Victorian government is either not attempting to answer this question, or is withholding the answer, with apparent public support?

Dick head Dan did answer it on TV one day a few weeks ago.
The state didn't have anywhere to put 20,000 people in jail
and neither did they have enough cops to give them all fines or enforce the law.
There were just too many protestors.

Yesterday there was a protest but as only 7 people turned up
they all get arrested and fined.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2020 at 9:14am:

All the quotes I have seen here show him asking them politely not to go.

Even if he had a good excuse for letting them protest, that is not an excuse for misinforming the public about the consequences.

I don't remember him being so polite.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 85509 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #257 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 7:26pm Did the virus spread the protestors? If so, was it:- a) In a public gathering b) On a slab c) At an arrest (spread 'em!) d) On toast as the idiots they are ... ten seconds......... ummm... lock in.... oh jeez.... lock in d), Eddie!
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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #258 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 8:59pm Tens of thousands of Abbos running rampant in city streets across Australia during a pandemic had no effect on death rates increasing, everybody should wash their hands and social distance in lockup.
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Re: did the protestors spread the virus?
Reply #259 - Aug 19^th, 2020 at 8:30am

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2020 at 8:52pm:

Sure you can. It worked in Sydney. There were no practical barriers. It had nothing to do with being practical. All that was missing was political will. And that's why they are tapdancing around the consequences.

umm... they marched in Sydney during the same protest on June 6 FD. As well as Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane. Keep up.

"At least 20,000 attended the Sydney march which passed off peacefully, except for ugly scenes when police officers used pepper spray on protesters who had flowed into Central station after the rally finished."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/06/australian-black-lives-ma...

So where was/is the second wave in Sydney hmmm?

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It was from your own evidence. I merely quoted it back to you and pointed out what he actually said.

He never said the BLM protest didn't cause the second wave. You made that up.

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Yes Gandalf, I refuse to read articles that I do not know about.

Great. Except you do know about it - I told you. It clearly sets out the evidence that the quarantine bungle caused the second wave. Thats what its about.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #260 - Aug 19^th, 2020 at 8:43am

Two points for you FD, and I'm afraid it includes more of that pesky evidence that terrorizes you so...

1. Turns out Andrews did attribute the quarantine infections to at least some of the outbreak - lucky I caught this week's 4 corners:

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"This morning I received the most comprehensive genomics briefing I have received throughout the pandemic and what that briefing provided and put to me very clearly is that at least a significant number, and potentially more, of the outbreaks in the north of the city are attributable via genomic sequencing to staff members in hotel quarantine breaching well-known and well understood infection control protocols," Premier Andrews said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12344413

2. in case you need any more proof that the quarantine bungle caused the second wave - this just in:

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The vast majority of the cases of Covid-19 in Victoria can be traced back to a single family that returned to Australia in mid-May who were kept in hotel quarantine at the Rydges Hotel, an inquiry has heard.

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Dr Charles Alpren, an epidemiologist with the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services, confirmed to the hotel quarantine inquiry over 90% of cases since the end of May could be linked to the one outbreak at the Rydges Hotel, while almost all of the other cases could be linked to an outbreak at the Stamford Plaza Hotel.

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99% of current cases in Victoria linked to hotel quarantine
Alpren said that based on the data obtained by the department from 3,234 of the over 12,000 cases in the past month, 3,183 are linked to the Rydges Hotel cluster.

For the 1,589 cases sequenced from cases with symptom onset in the past month, Alpren said all but 12 were linked to Rydges.

The remaining 12 were linked to a cluster at the Stamford Plaza Hotel, where 46 cases were connected to a man who tested positive after returning to Australia on 1 June, or a couple who tested positive after arriving in Australia in mid-June.

Although there had been two other cases that weren’t linked to either outbreak, Alpren said he was “satisfied to conclude” that 99% of current cases of Covid-19 in Victoria had arisen from the Rydges or Stamford Plaza hotels used for hotel quarantine.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/18/hotel-quarantine-linked-t...

pffft scientists - what do they know?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #261 - Aug 19^th, 2020 at 5:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2020 at 8:43am:

Two points for you FD, and I'm afraid it includes more of that pesky evidence that terrorizes you so...

1. Turns out Andrews did attribute the quarantine infections to at least some of the outbreak - lucky I caught this week's 4 corners:

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"This morning I received the most comprehensive genomics briefing I have received throughout the pandemic and what that briefing provided and put to me very clearly is that at least a significant number, and potentially more, of the outbreaks in the north of the city are attributable via genomic sequencing to staff members in hotel quarantine breaching well-known and well understood infection control protocols," Premier Andrews said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12344413

2. in case you need any more proof that the quarantine bungle caused the second wave - this just in:

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The vast majority of the cases of Covid-19 in Victoria can be traced back to a single family that returned to Australia in mid-May who were kept in hotel quarantine at the Rydges Hotel, an inquiry has heard.

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Dr Charles Alpren, an epidemiologist with the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services, confirmed to the hotel quarantine inquiry over 90% of cases since the end of May could be linked to the one outbreak at the Rydges Hotel, while almost all of the other cases could be linked to an outbreak at the Stamford Plaza Hotel.

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99% of current cases in Victoria linked to hotel quarantine
Alpren said that based on the data obtained by the department from 3,234 of the over 12,000 cases in the past month, 3,183 are linked to the Rydges Hotel cluster.

For the 1,589 cases sequenced from cases with symptom onset in the past month, Alpren said all but 12 were linked to Rydges.

The remaining 12 were linked to a cluster at the Stamford Plaza Hotel, where 46 cases were connected to a man who tested positive after returning to Australia on 1 June, or a couple who tested positive after arriving in Australia in mid-June.

Although there had been two other cases that weren’t linked to either outbreak, Alpren said he was “satisfied to conclude” that 99% of current cases of Covid-19 in Victoria had arisen from the Rydges or Stamford Plaza hotels used for hotel quarantine.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/18/hotel-quarantine-linked-t...

pffft scientists - what do they know?

Can you explain how this answers the question at hand?

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So where was/is the second wave in Sydney hmmm?

Perhaps it disappeared into a black hole along with Sydney's quarantine hotels.

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Re: did the protestors spread the virus?
Reply #262 - Aug 20^th, 2020 at 1:57pm

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2020 at 5:54pm:

Can you explain how this answers the question at hand?

And which question is currently "at hand" FD? I was dealing with two particular claims of mine that you seemed to take issue with - 1. that Andrews acknowledged that the quarantine bungle was responsible for the second wave and 2. that there is clear evidence that the quarantine bungle caused the second wave. I present evidence which clearly substantiates those claims.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #263 - Aug 20^th, 2020 at 6:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 1:57pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2020 at 5:54pm:

Can you explain how this answers the question at hand?

And which question is currently "at hand" FD? I was dealing with two particular claims of mine that you seemed to take issue with - 1. that Andrews acknowledged that the quarantine bungle was responsible for the second wave and 2. that there is clear evidence that the quarantine bungle caused the second wave. I present evidence which clearly substantiates those claims.

did the protestors spread the virus?

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Reply #264 - Aug 20^th, 2020 at 7:03pm

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 6:43pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 1:57pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2020 at 5:54pm:

Can you explain how this answers the question at hand?

And which question is currently "at hand" FD? I was dealing with two particular claims of mine that you seemed to take issue with - 1. that Andrews acknowledged that the quarantine bungle was responsible for the second wave and 2. that there is clear evidence that the quarantine bungle caused the second wave. I present evidence which clearly substantiates those claims.

did the protestors spread the virus?

Did any of the ethnics guarding the hotel take part in the BLM rally and did they or those they were in contact with live in those highrise incubation chambers in Melbourne?

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NSW Police Commissioner Fuller said:
"From our perspective it was obviously big numbers in Victoria, a number of people who came to the protest were living in those vertical towers so that certainly is enough for me."

But in a statement to the ABC last week, the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) said that of the six protesters who subsequently tested positive to COVID-19, none were known to live in a "major public housing complex".
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-24/coronacheck-black-lives-matter-melbourne-...

You don't have to live there, and it's not saying they don't, only have friends or family that do.

There seems to have been a perfect storm in Melbourne that was different from other states, the army guarding other state's quarantine. Using young, poor and immoral ethnics as guards is obviously a big part of it but then when you take the highrise ethnic covid factories and BLM whiners into consideration, it'd be hard not to draw links. These "coincidences" were not in any other state.

edit: The only way we could know for certain is if genetic samples were taken from the marchers, we haven't been provided with this information and only the Vic govt can. All the Vic govt has said is the genetics point at the quarantine hotel but that is only half the info we need and they haven't provided the other half, does that also match the marcher's covid genetics.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49509 At my desk.	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #265 - Aug 20^th, 2020 at 8:42pm Quote: Using young, poor and immoral ethnics as guards is obviously a big part of it People likely to attend a BLM protest? Where is this from? I have seen vague references to it a few times.
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Re: did the protestors spread the virus?
Reply #266 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:40am

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 8:42pm:

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Using young, poor and immoral ethnics as guards is obviously a big part of it

People likely to attend a BLM protest?

Where is this from? I have seen vague references to it a few times.

Look at those that have spoken to the media.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-melbour...
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-more-bo...
https://9now.nine.com.au/today/melbourne-security-guard-claims-coronavirus-hotel...

If they don't work, google - victorian quarantine guards

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Reply #267 - Aug 21^st, 2020 at 12:07pm

Setanta wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 7:03pm:

There seems to have been a perfect storm in Melbourne that was different from other states, the army guarding other state's quarantine. Using young, poor and immoral ethnics as guards is obviously a big part of it but then when you take the highrise ethnic covid factories and BLM whiners into consideration, it'd be hard not to draw links. These "coincidences" were not in any other state.

Actually the security companies are to blame
They didn't provide the guards any training or satisfactory protective gear.
They were more interested in profit margins than keeping the public safe

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49509 At my desk.	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #268 - Aug 25^th, 2020 at 6:02pm Do people think that the Victorian government has provided an answer to the question with their latest pronouncements?
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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #269 - Aug 26^th, 2020 at 7:00am freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2020 at 6:02pm: Do people think that the Victorian government has provided an answer to the question with their latest pronouncements? Do you?
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