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Re: did the protestors spread the virus?
Reply #45 - Jun 18^th, 2020 at 9:26pm

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 9:18pm:

This is the daily number of new cases in Australia from June 6 (day of the BLM protests) to yesterday:

4
5
5
2
9
9
5
12
18
15
12
23

In NSW we have had 4 cases with unknown source in the last week.

20 cases in the last week from overseas travellers in quarantine, 2 in the last 24 hours.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/stats-nsw.aspx

I think the mandatory quarantine for overseas travellers will have to remain for quite some time.

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Reply #47 - Jun 19^th, 2020 at 7:31am

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 6:57pm:

The bar is usually enclosed at the ag shows. Even if it is just canvas. Also the chooks.

Arrrrrrhm ... no not here and certainly not in many of the country Ag shows I've attended.

In the state capital they have .....we have a reasonably big show complex here ..... the bar is a large circular building that can be approached from about 280 degrees ... it has a designated open air drinking area with a couple of small open marquees surrounding the building.

The only thing enclosed is the Pavilion & as you said the Chook & bird pavilion.

None the less Ag shows are great flu & green apple splatters spreaders.

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Reply #48 - Jun 19^th, 2020 at 6:29pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 7:31am:

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 6:57pm:

The bar is usually enclosed at the ag shows. Even if it is just canvas. Also the chooks.

Arrrrrrhm ... no not here and certainly not in many of the country Ag shows I've attended.

In the state capital they have .....we have a reasonably big show complex here ..... the bar is a large circular building that can be approached from about 280 degrees ... it has a designated open air drinking area with a couple of small open marquees surrounding the building.

The only thing enclosed is the Pavilion & as you said the Chook & bird pavilion.

None the less Ag shows are great flu & green apple splatters spreaders.

No doubt a few STDs also.

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Reply #49 - Jun 20^th, 2020 at 7:54am

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 6:29pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 7:31am:

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 6:57pm:

The bar is usually enclosed at the ag shows. Even if it is just canvas. Also the chooks.

Arrrrrrhm ... no not here and certainly not in many of the country Ag shows I've attended.

In the state capital they have .....we have a reasonably big show complex here ..... the bar is a large circular building that can be approached from about 280 degrees ... it has a designated open air drinking area with a couple of small open marquees surrounding the building.

The only thing enclosed is the Pavilion & as you said the Chook & bird pavilion.

None the less Ag shows are great flu & green apple splatters spreaders.

No doubt a few STDs also.

I haven't worried about that sort of outdoor activity for about 47 years.

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Reply #50 - Jun 20^th, 2020 at 11:31am

Setanta wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 8:05pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 6:00pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 8:12pm:

It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic.

It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors.

I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter

Why are you making excuses for this Barny? You've been on the right side of infection mitigation right up until the protests. Is being PC more important than infection control? I might have to go and look at some of Bojack's posts to see if he's done the same about face.

That's right, I have been on the right side of mitigation, but even before the BLM protests I was critical of beaches being closed and National Parks being closed. Viruses are not spread by people moving around outdoors.

It's now been 2 weeks since the protests and the only state to have had an increase in cases is Victoria. All of them have been linked to returned overseas travelers and known clusters.
I guess the stats speak for themselves

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Reply #52 - Jun 20^th, 2020 at 12:44pm

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 11:56am:

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It's now been 2 weeks since the protests and the only state to have had an increase in cases is Victoria. All of them have been linked to returned overseas travelers and known clusters.
I guess the stats speak for themselves

Where do you get this from?

Daily updates

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-update

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49509 At my desk.	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #53 - Jun 20^th, 2020 at 12:54pm How do you know that only Victoria had an increase in cases?
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Reply #54 - Jun 20^th, 2020 at 1:02pm

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 12:54pm:

How do you know that only Victoria had an increase in cases?

This will help explain it. Overseas travellers are still returning even late in the game because of limited or unavailable flights, and they all come into Melbourne and Sydney only, even though many of these passengers live interstate.
These returned travellers are put into accommodation for 14 days isolation requirement. Then if clear, go back to their home state and need to do another 14 days isolation there.
Those that are infected stay in Melbourne/Sydney for further treatment/isolation etc.
Hence why high number of cases in Victoria and NSW only.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-18/why-is-victoria-experiencing-an-increase-...

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Reply #55 - Jun 20^th, 2020 at 6:02pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 11:31am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 8:05pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 6:00pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 8:12pm:

It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic.

It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors.

I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter

Why are you making excuses for this Barny? You've been on the right side of infection mitigation right up until the protests. Is being PC more important than infection control? I might have to go and look at some of Bojack's posts to see if he's done the same about face.

That's right, I have been on the right side of mitigation, but even before the BLM protests I was critical of beaches being closed and National Parks being closed. Viruses are not spread by people moving around outdoors.

It's now been 2 weeks since the protests and the only state to have had an increase in cases is Victoria. All of them have been linked to returned overseas travelers and known clusters.
I guess the stats speak for themselves

And what are "known clusters" & their ability to spread the virus further?

And were any of the protesters within cooey of anyone from "known clusters"?
When you give 2 options of where the cases belong ... then the outcome isn't cut & dry as to reducing restrictions.

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Re: did the protestors spread the virus?
Reply #56 - Jun 20^th, 2020 at 6:36pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 6:02pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 11:31am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 8:05pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 6:00pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 8:12pm:

It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic.

It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors.

I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter

Why are you making excuses for this Barny? You've been on the right side of infection mitigation right up until the protests. Is being PC more important than infection control? I might have to go and look at some of Bojack's posts to see if he's done the same about face.

That's right, I have been on the right side of mitigation, but even before the BLM protests I was critical of beaches being closed and National Parks being closed. Viruses are not spread by people moving around outdoors.

It's now been 2 weeks since the protests and the only state to have had an increase in cases is Victoria. All of them have been linked to returned overseas travelers and known clusters.
I guess the stats speak for themselves

And what are "known clusters" & their ability to spread the virus further?

And were any of the protesters within cooey of anyone from "known clusters"?
When you give 2 options of where the cases belong ... then the outcome isn't cut & dry as to reducing restrictions.

Restrictions reimposed in VIC, today saw the biggest outbreak worldwide, protests seem ok though.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30133 Gender:	Re: did the protestors spread the virus? Reply #58 - Jun 21^st, 2020 at 7:43am Agnes wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 2:25am: yes but noone gives a flying---- That's right ... as long as they're doing what they want.... farque everyone else.
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Reply #59 - Jun 21^st, 2020 at 9:49am

27 new cases yesterday. 25 of them in VIC. Wikipedia gives a breakdown of new cases by state:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia

You need to click on "show" beside "Cumulative confirmed cases by state, territory & nationally", which is just above the daily number of new cases for the whole country.

This gives the same info for other countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data

Total new cases since June 6 by state:
NSW: 34
VIC: 136
QLD: 5
WA: 5
SA: 0
TAS: 0
ACT: 1
NT: 0

There is a clear increase in the rate of infections since June 6 in NSW and VIC - the only states with enough virus getting round to give a clear indication of increase or decrease. There is plot similar to the google one of new cases by day for each state.

The total number of active cases across the country is trending up since June 14.

The page also lists active clusters. The last new case from a known cluster in the table is June 17.

There is also a table with a breakdown by source of infection, however it is not separated by date. About 2/3 of total cases are from overseas, which is a good sign.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/victorias-sudden-spike-in-corona
virus-cases-could-result-in-localised-lockdowns-c-1113679

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Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has flagged the possibility of a return to square one of coronavirus restrictions - but only for areas worst hit by COVID-19.

The state on Saturday recorded 25 new cases in only 24 hours, the highest daily rise in more than two months.

Of those, all but one are believed to be acquired within the community.

He says if the restrictions aren’t followed to a tee, draconian lockdown measures for local government areas with the highest rates of community transmission could be reintroduced.

As of now, those areas are Hume with 17 cases of community transmission, Brimbank with 10 and Casey with seven.

Of Victoria’s new cases, 14 are linked to known clusters, six were identified through routine testing, four are under investigation and one was in a recently returned traveller in hotel quarantine.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 11:31am:

It's now been 2 weeks since the protests and the only state to have had an increase in cases is Victoria.

Incorrect.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 11:31am:

All of them have been linked to returned overseas travelers and known clusters.
I guess the stats speak for themselves

Also incorrect. The overseas thing does not seem to be significant for the recent cases. No idea where you got the 'known clusters' claim from.

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