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Re: Daniel Andrews should resign
Reply #316 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 9:03am

Brendon wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 8:44am:

I'm going to put this politely.

Only pathetic right wing scum who get told by billionaires what to think and somehow have been conned into thinking they are just out of luck elites and who constantly vote against their own self interests would think Dan Andrew is doing a bad job.

We are lucky to have him. Federally run privatized aged care facilities and overseas travellers from NSW started this in Vic. Liberal filth.

I just hope I haven't offended anyone here.

well of course you do... lefties never own their own truth..

the facts are this second wave started with the SECURITY DEBACLE of which he was the architect.

and for which he has never accepted the blame....

oh yes he says NOW the buck stops with him.....bullseye... how ever hes never spelt out what exactly he did wrong....in fact hes really said nothing..

as the Premier of a State of course the buck stops with him.... eventually......any idiot would expect that.....lets here him say

If it wasnt for me we this State of Victoria wouldnt be in this mess...

he is out of his depth....not a clue.... he even had the ruby princess.to fall back on....but learnt not a thing....

you do realise this whole debacle is affecting everything and every Australian dont you? Angry

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Re: Daniel Andrews should resign
Reply #317 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 9:04am

Gordon wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 8:50am:

Brendon wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Carl D wrote on Aug 5^th, 2020 at 10:59am:

I know this is easy for someone living in WA to say but I actually feel sorry for Daniel Andrews with the mess that he now has to deal with. He looks a very worried man when we see him in TV (which is every day lately).

OK, I realize the hotel quarantine fiasco lies squarely on his shoulders but surely the 'ultimate' blame must lie with Scott Morrison and the Federal government for not really closing Australia's borders in late March even though he would like us to believe he had. A week or so back I read somewhere that 350,000 people had come back to Australia since the borders were (allegedly) closed.

All of these "returned travellers" are the main cause of all the COVID-19 cases we're now seeing. I've heard people say "We can't stop them coming back to Australia because they're citizens or residents" but I'm sure if the Federal government really wanted to they could put a stop to it almost immediately.

If Victoria can impose the most severe lockdowns and curfew we've seen up to now at the "drop of a hat", then the Federal government can do something about these nonstop overseas arrivals who obviously waited as long as they could in their 'overseas retreats' until the virus started spreading where they were and now they want to come back to what they no doubt see as Australia's "safe haven". Part of the "I'm all right, Jack and I only care about me me me" brigade.

And, maybe its about time something was done about stopping this dual citizen BS but that's probably a subject for another thread.

On a lighter note (and, we could all do with a bit of cheering up at the moment) I had a chuckle at Dean Alston's cartoon in yesterday's West Australian.

Well said! A little soft on Scott. But otherwise...

Quarantine hotels in every state where Dan Dan Covid man wasn't in charge worked perfectly well.

exactly.... they were done the right way thats why..

this job was given to their union chums.....and was a deliberate deal to rip off the taxpayers....

non trained security nice one Dan.

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Reply #318 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 10:07am

Gordon wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 8:00am:

You're on drugs. Many Australians overseas had a hard time finding flights and they have a right to come home.

Firstly, I am not (and never have been in my entire life) on drugs. So, how about dropping the insults because you weaken your entire 'argument' when you resort to using insults like so many do here.

Secondly, yes, according to the law they do have a right to come 'home' and I'm sure they will all tell us loudly about their "rights" - even going so far as taking it to court, if necessary to defend their "rights", public health emergency or not.

"I want this, I want that and I couldn't care less about anyone else".

How many times have we seen that lately with people rushing to cross State borders before closures and curfews, refusing to stay in home quarantine, etc.? Just saw it again yesterday with Queensland's border lockout of 3 other States.

And, I wonder how many of these so called returning 'Australians' are dual citizens who only want to call Australia home when it suits them? "The virus is running wild in our overseas 'second home' so let's go back to Australia where it is safe (until the virus is gone from where we came from then we'll go back)". Or so they think. I also suspect the airlines have been putting pressure on the Federal government to keep as many as their flights running as they can as well (those 'pesky' $$$$'s again!).

Too bad for everyone else here if they bring the virus back (as many of them already have) and it gets loose like it has in Victoria and then spreads to other States such as NSW and QLD (thanks to the abovementioned selfish 'border hoppers').

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This has nothing to do with the Fed Gov because quarantine hotels worked everywhere except where Dan Dan Covid Man was in charge.

As I've said a few times already in other posts, if the Federal government had closed the borders properly, in late March then there would be no need for any sort of quarantine, hotels or any other type.

If we can't stop all of these "returned travellers" then its about time they were quarantined somewhere away from the Australian mainland like Christmas Island until they're given the "all clear" but I'm sure most of them would complain about having to do that too.

Here in WA, we had people being quarantined on Rottnest Island just off the Perth coast. Don't know if that's still happening but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these "returned travellers" complained about that too and besides that the facilities at Rottnest were probably filled quickly and the State government had to start using hotels.

And, other States are no doubt becoming increasingly concerned about hotel quarantine. Here's an example from right here in WA:

Warning over WA coronavirus hotel quarantine 'time bomb' as staff say rules repeatedly broken

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-23/wa-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-major-bre...

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Serious concerns have emerged about Western Australia's handling of interstate and international arrivals, with repeated rule breaches and fears of an over-reliance on private security contractors within the state's hotel quarantine system.

Which has resulted in this (thank goodness Mark McGowan's not "asleep at the wheel"):

Defence personnel brought into coronavirus quarantine hotels in WA after alleged breaches

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-24/defence-force-brought-into-wa-quarantine-...

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Defence Force personnel are set to be stationed in Perth quarantine hotels to assist with security arrangements, after whistleblowers flagged concerns about the handling of international and interstate arrivals.

Oh, and what do we have here?

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Hotel staff members refusing to work out of fear.
Regular threats and abuse of staff members by quarantine guests.

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In one instance, a person in quarantine was able to physically grab a hotel staff member who was not wearing any personal protective equipment.

Been quite a bit of abuse of hotel staff by these "returned travellers" in quarantine apparently which probably increased when they discovered they had to pay for the quarantine themselves (about time).

As our Premier, Mr. McGowan said recently - "If they don't like it then they shouldn't bother coming back to Australia".

Spot on, Mark.

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Re: Daniel Andrews should resign
Reply #320 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 10:37am

Gordon wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 10:10am:

Professor Brett Sutton has previously revealed that genomic sequencing carried out by Melbourne's Doherty Institute shows a significant proportion – if not all – of Victoria's second-wave cases may be traced back to quarantine breaches at hotes.

So it wasn't the BLM protests

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Re: Daniel Andrews should resign
Reply #322 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 10:57am

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 10:37am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 10:10am:

Professor Brett Sutton has previously revealed that genomic sequencing carried out by Melbourne's Doherty Institute shows a significant proportion – if not all – of Victoria's second-wave cases may be traced back to quarantine breaches at hotes.

So it wasn't the BLM protests

well lets say it wouldnt have helped....

so many mistakes ones that cannot be undone....the damage is HUGE and in a lot of cases death was the result...

I have said for a long time what we need is a special group whos job it is to take over when something of this enormity happens....instead we have every dept running every which way.....we need someone in charge no matter what the trauma....earthquake/mudslide/floods/ and now this.........we need experts not people trying to make a name for themselves.....

the reason I blame Andrews is because he is the Premier.... if he didnt know he should have....his finger should have been on everything involved....

instead this hotel debacle was allowed to run its course.............in the hope no damage was done... HA!

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Reply #324 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 11:02am

Well, at least Daniel Andrews says he will be accountable for the mistakes. Unlike a lot of other politicians these days.

Daniel Andrews says he is 'accountable for any mistakes' in Victoria's Covid-19 hotel quarantine

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/06/daniel-andrews-says-he-is...

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The Victorian premier, Daniel Andrews, said he was “accountable for any mistakes” made in the hotel quarantine program that sparked a second wave of Covid-19 in Victoria, as he was interrogated by the media on Thursday about what went wrong.

Give the guy a break.

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Reply #325 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 11:08am

Carl D wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 11:02am:

Well, at least Daniel Andrews says he will be accountable for the mistakes. Unlike a lot of other politicians these days.

Daniel Andrews says he is 'accountable for any mistakes' in Victoria's Covid-19 hotel quarantine

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/06/daniel-andrews-says-he-is...

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The Victorian premier, Daniel Andrews, said he was “accountable for any mistakes” made in the hotel quarantine program that sparked a second wave of Covid-19 in Victoria, as he was interrogated by the media on Thursday about what went wrong.

Give the guy a break.

WHY SHOULD WE??... we are all going to be PAYING for his MISTAKES as you call them Angry

of course he is saying that what choice does he have..

he didnt tell us WHAT MISTAKES EXACTLY though did you notice.....

in the end the news is he plans to resign my Xmas if not before........like most he will get out before he gets thrown out.

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Reply #326 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 11:22am

So, cods, if Daniel Andrews is gone by Christmas will it make any difference to what's happened so far?

Will you (and everyone else calling for his 'head on a chopping block') feel much better? Will Victorians getting 'revenge' on their Premier suddenly make things all OK?

It won't change anything. He's admitted to making mistakes and I'm sure he's now trying his best to rectify them.

His job would also be a whole lot easier if he also didn't have to deal with a State which is apparently full of selfish a-holes who won't follow the rules regarding quarantine and curfews, etc., just like the rest of Australia which has been extremely lucky so far but I suspect our luck is running out.

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Reply #327 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 11:33am

Carl D wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 11:22am:

So, cods, if Daniel Andrews is gone by Christmas will it make any difference to what's happened so far?

Will you (and everyone else calling for his 'head on a chopping block') feel much better? Will Victorians getting 'revenge' on their Premier suddenly make things all OK?

It won't change anything. He's admitted to making mistakes and I'm sure he's now trying his best to rectify them.

His job would also be a whole lot easier if he didn't have a State which is apparently full of selfish a-holes who won't follow the rules regarding quarantine and curfews, etc., just like the rest of Australia which has been extremely lucky so far but I suspect our luck is running out.

I wouldn't take too much notice of cods. She only believes what she reads in the Daily Telegraph and has been astonishingly forgiving in the LNP handling of the Ruby Princess and the deaths that resulted.

The security guards had one job to do but they just couldn't keep their member in their pants.
I think Dan will resign as premier once this is over. He looks like a shattered man. He's done a good job as Premier for 6 years, it's time he took a well earned break.
The Murdoch Press can then look for a new Labor leader to attack

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Re: Daniel Andrews should resign
Reply #328 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 11:33am

Carl D wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 11:22am:

So, cods, if Daniel Andrews is gone by Christmas will it make any difference to what's happened so far?

Will you (and everyone else calling for his 'head on a chopping block') feel much better? Will Victorians getting 'revenge' on their Premier suddenly make things all OK?

It won't change anything. He's admitted to making mistakes and I'm sure he's now trying his best to rectify them.

His job would also be a whole lot easier if he didn't have a State which is apparently full of selfish a-holes who won't follow the rules regarding quarantine and curfews, etc., just like the rest of Australia which has been extremely lucky so far but I suspect our luck is running out.

sure sure its a lefty thing lets blame everyone else...

the debacle started with SECURITY who were paid to make sure incoming overseas persons remained in lockdown for 14 days.....

not only did this NOT HAPPEN>.. [MISTAKE REALLY}

it was a lust in the dust exercise......and thats from WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD>... I can only imagine what they got away with in full.... Angry

he needs to be in a court room to face what he has done to this COUNTRY...you want to sweep it under the rug....give him a pat on the back for at least trying... give him his pension and probably a bottle of whisky

well I for sure dont...

.if this was Liberal Premier I can guarantee you wouldnt be saying the same things...

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Reply #329 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 12:32pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 8:50am:

Brendon wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Carl D wrote on Aug 5^th, 2020 at 10:59am:

I know this is easy for someone living in WA to say but I actually feel sorry for Daniel Andrews with the mess that he now has to deal with. He looks a very worried man when we see him in TV (which is every day lately).

OK, I realize the hotel quarantine fiasco lies squarely on his shoulders but surely the 'ultimate' blame must lie with Scott Morrison and the Federal government for not really closing Australia's borders in late March even though he would like us to believe he had. A week or so back I read somewhere that 350,000 people had come back to Australia since the borders were (allegedly) closed.

All of these "returned travellers" are the main cause of all the COVID-19 cases we're now seeing. I've heard people say "We can't stop them coming back to Australia because they're citizens or residents" but I'm sure if the Federal government really wanted to they could put a stop to it almost immediately.

If Victoria can impose the most severe lockdowns and curfew we've seen up to now at the "drop of a hat", then the Federal government can do something about these nonstop overseas arrivals who obviously waited as long as they could in their 'overseas retreats' until the virus started spreading where they were and now they want to come back to what they no doubt see as Australia's "safe haven". Part of the "I'm all right, Jack and I only care about me me me" brigade.

And, maybe its about time something was done about stopping this dual citizen BS but that's probably a subject for another thread.

On a lighter note (and, we could all do with a bit of cheering up at the moment) I had a chuckle at Dean Alston's cartoon in yesterday's West Australian.

Well said! A little soft on Scott. But otherwise...

Quarantine hotels in every state where Dan Dan Covid man wasn't in charge worked perfectly well.

Dan The Man Has Had to put up with Scotty From Marketing's influx of overseas travellers, and Scotty's disgusting aged care federal setup for months. Dan is doing a great job. Typically a private security firm has let Victoria down.

Stick with Dan and give Morrison the boot! Filthy right wing scum that he is.

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