Bam wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 9:15pm:


Idiot.

Stuffups at the beginning of a pandemic when we were still learning what to do  are very different from stuffups many months later when the pain of shutdowns had worked and flattened the curve.

You can see that, right?

Dan gets a serve from a protestor.   


https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/752/751/original/71033424864d...

Bobby. wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 10:29pm:



dans a dopey bugger isnt he.
like our anastasia.

dan would probably be alright as a coach for the under 10's soccer team at his kids school and anastasia could do the snacks for the kids at half time (though she would be prone to eating a lot of them)
but they are WAY OUT OF THEIR DEPTH.

and so they, rather then BEING the authority figure, they  run and hide under the skirts of ANOTHER  authority figure.
they just pass the buck to their chief health officer.

now a chief health officer lives a sheltered life surrounded by public servants.
they never see a grandma in a nursing home who is crying because she cant see her grnadkids
they never see a tourism operator who is suicidal.

all they see are paper pushers in their department and as far as they can see (they lack imagination or empathy), everyone is still employed and feeling very chuffed that they are finally in the limelight,
so a chief health officer is NEVER EVER EVER going to do anything except be very very timid and very very cautious and not take the economy inot account.

they will take protestors into account because they are timid people and the thought of an angry mob attacking them on twitter scares them.
but they dont notice the pain they are causing.
the average citizen who is suffering is invisible to them.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 9:19pm:




funny how you disbelieve one   but not the other..


typical dna... if it fits in with your theories  its gotta be true...


you never let us down dna  NEVER.

Bam wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:


Do you think blunders at the very start of the learning curve of this pandemic should be judged the same way now, after all the sacrifices, businesses and lives ruined?

I think Bobs is right..

Dan the Man should resign..

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/security-firms-used-in-melbourne-quaranti...

Illegal cash payments to guards and billing rorts have been exposed in Victoria’s COVID-19 hotel quarantine debacle.

Unscrupulous security firms, being probed over their part in triggering Melbourne’s second coronavirus wave, ­exploited the pandemic by charging taxpayers for shifts never worked.

The rort — known as “ghosting” — led to hazardous understaffing in hotels, with those who questioned operators even being threatened.

Cash payments agreed between providers and workers, long a scourge in the security industry, were also widely used.

Other alarming claims ­detailed by security industry figures and quarantine-hotel insiders include:

HOTEL guards slept with guests;

SECURITY personnel wore personal protective equipment for up to eight hours without changing it;

GUARDS shook hands and shared lifts in a major breach of regulations;

SOME of them had just six hours of ­infection control training and were caught sleeping on the job; and

QUARANTINED families were allowed to go between rooms to play cards and games with others.

Under the ghosting rort, ­operators would charge authorities for providing a certain number of staff for a shift, say 30, but hired several fewer, for example 20. Fake names would be given for the non-existent workers.

A source within the hotel quarantine program told the Herald Sun ghosting was rife, and the Andrews Government had been warned about the dangerous racket months ago.

“Hotel staff often found that processes were incomplete. When this was raised with the people running various security, they were threatened … it’s a common practice,” the source said.

“Operators are cowboys.”

In the quarantine setting, the practice of ghosting raises the risk of spreading coronavirus because it means there are not as many guards overseeing guests as health officials are led to believe, while increasing the guests each working guard has to interact with.

Regarding the cash payments, one worker said a contractor deposited his wages without paperwork or any evidence of them carrying out employer obligations. “They just put the money into the ­account,” the worker said.

Cash wages allow rogue operators to win contracts with much lower quotes than their rivals because it is saving on tax and other expenses.

It can also be revealed that security staff at the Stamford Plaza in the CBD, where all positive cases are relocated, did shifts at at least two other quarantine hotels.

And there have been issues with staff going from jobs at the quarantine hotels to private industry shifts. Such practices greatly increase the risk of cross-contamination.

An Andrews Government spokeswoman refused to ­address claims of ghosting and cash payments directly, saying an inquiry into the entire ­program had been ordered.

Claims security staff slept with some guests in coronavirus isolation will be examined as part of the inquiry. The allegations are sweeping police, hotel ­industry and even government circles.

So far, verified breaches of infection control include car pooling, sharing of cigarettes and lighters, and hugging ­between staff at hotels.

But the accusations of more serious breaches — including sexual dalliances and fights — will also be investigated.

Premier Daniel Andrews said coronavirus was so contagious that something as innocuous as sharing a cigarette lighter could cause a spread in cases — and that this had happened in Victoria.

Questions have been raised about the quality of security agencies contracted for some of the high-level health protection, with one source predicting that a “clusterf--- of issues” would emerge.

Following the National Cabinet’s decision to establish the hotel quarantine program security contracts were signed within 24 hours and exempted from a tender process.

Victorian contracts were awarded to MSS, Unified and Wilson, which in turn employed subcontractors.

More than 20,000 travellers arriving in Victoria have undergone 14 days of isolation since the program started.


now lets see bam and dna   find every excuse under the sun why this isnt Dans fault...

and I think the yanks are the only ones barking mad.

Are the hospitals overrun
Victoria has in excess of 1500 ventilators for ICU beds
I would imagine they probably have 1499 gathering dust

If he should resign for anything it is for shutting down suburbs for 4 weeks
When quite clearly the hospital system is not being over run

The correct strategy with kovid is to let it slowly burn through the community
And then only apply lockdown when perhaps 7 or 800 ventilators are being used

What's wrong with people

Do they intend to have rolling lockdowns for the next 40 years
It's pathetic and unworkable

Take your medicine
We even expect that of a 5 year old

aquascoot wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 7:35am:


So you want those fully utilised?