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It is OK, to behave in this way
Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:12am

It is OK, to behave in this way

And clearly many people today, in this age, think that it is. !!

QUESTION;
How can human beings believe that it is OK to behave in this way ?

But they do, and they do !

QUESTION;
How can a large number of human beings believe that it is OK to behave in this way ?

But they did, and they do !

And that 'they' includes all of us.

And my psyche just finds that circumstance so disturbing.

Really !

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QUESTION;
But what behaviour am i talking about ?

I'm talking about lying and cheating, as a philosophy of life.

And our thinking that: "It is OK for me to do this."
[what possessed them!! to think that, despite the possibility of the worst consequences, they would choose this, as a viable path in their life ! ]

But what type of behaviour, specifically ?

The human behaviour exposed here [as being a very disturbing example]....

'a probe last year found that 262 of Pakistan's 860 active pilots had fake licenses'
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1593124023/0#0

n.b.
This isn't a post to specifically criticise 'the moslem', because i believe that many, many human beings living today, to some extent, in their lives, also choose to behave in this way [i.e. to lie and to cheat, as a philosophy of life].

So this is criticism of 'the philosophy of life', which so many of us have been taught [by our experience of this life], and think is wholly acceptable.

!!!!

Why is there such a 'sickness' among us, all of us ?

Is it just 'the human condition' ?

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Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Jeremiah 15:16
Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.
17 I sat not in the assembly of the mockers, nor rejoiced; I sat alone because of thy hand: for thou hast filled me with indignation.
18 Why is my pain perpetual, and my wound incurable, which refuseth to be healed? wilt thou be altogether unto me as a liar, and as waters that fail?
19 Therefore thus saith the LORD, If thou return, then will I bring thee again, and thou shalt stand before me: and if thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth: let them return unto thee; but return not thou unto them.

Psalms 139:21
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee?....

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Reply #1 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:32am

Yadda wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:12am:

Is it just 'the human condition' ?

Is that the excuse we use ?

Does such an 'excuse' justify bad behaviour ?

"Well everyone cheats!"

Psalms 7:15
He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
16 His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.

And many of us, wonder why the world, our world, is in such a 'mess'.

our world = = the world which men have created, because we are always choosing to listen, to our darker 'voices'.

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Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

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Reply #2 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 7:40am

Ahh the Human Condition.

Yes Yadda. It can be a sad thing to see sometimes.
Where people can act like Monsters and give the Animals a bad wrap.
Why Jews can act like Power-Mongerers, while Moslems act like Rats breeding in sewers.
Like Gays, Rednecks, Yobbos and Wankers for want of being Celibate, Family orientated, Business minded and Romantic.
Why Christians with a Religious moral code written in a book can be evil, while someone from a broken world can raise the Lantern in Darkness like a Divine Comedy.
Why Pluto, is caste out like Satan from the 'Planetary' Heaven - but is the only other place in the Solar System to other some semblance of the Gift of 'Life'.

This is the Double-Helix of Life and there is no escape from this Prison Island.

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Reply #4 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 1:38pm

Jasin wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 11:10am:

Death is not the greatest loss.
It's what dies within us while we are still alive.

Yeah, that's not a bad quote

The traditional Anglo Aussie should take note of that - we're being beaten around the head by the lie of "we are one but we are many" SBS type crap

Trying to achieve unity by promoting disunity is obviously illogical and destructive. Police forces and politicians have become PC (politically corrupt). Each religion think their's is the best. Each foreign culture thinks their's is the best - There can never be harmony or unity, laws favoring some and not others make sure of that

Unless laws become consistent again, we'll just have to accept continued division and political apartheid in Australia

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Reply #5 - Jun 29^th, 2020 at 5:34pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 1:38pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 11:10am:

Death is not the greatest loss.
It's what dies within us while we are still alive.

Yeah, that's not a bad quote

The traditional Anglo Aussie should take note of that - we're being beaten around the head by the lie of "we are one but we are many" SBS type crap

Trying to achieve unity by promoting disunity is obviously illogical and destructive. Police forces and politicians have become PC (politically corrupt). Each religion think their's is the best. Each foreign culture thinks their's is the best - There can never be harmony or unity, laws favoring some and not others make sure of that

Unless laws become consistent again, we'll just have to accept continued division and political apartheid in Australia

I never picked up on that until you brought it up and yes - I agree.
In Mt Druitt, a place of many different races and ...cultures. There was only 'one' culture that rules - the Mt Druitt culture. Sadly, it represents violence and poor houso abusiveness and apathy. Not the best.

If this nation becomes 'One' identity (like the USA Patriotism/Nationalism) - than the 'many different' ones become nothing more than satellites to the planet. 2nd or 3rd class entities of entitlements. At the moment, Australia is 'Multi-Cultural', that includes British, Americanism and Aboriginal (the past) - it lacks a 'Oneness'. So it's a bit rich for SBS to pump this out as Australia has yet to find it's uniqueness (in relation to the current world as it is) - that everyone from those 'many' can move into as 'one'. Unless SBS is saying it's 'Oneness' is their Media? But even the Media is just one spoke of the wheel. There is the Internet culture as well and I'm sure another will emerge.

I don't think Politics will be the 'dominant' cultural expression, like it is in the USA for... power. I think the Artists will step away from the kiddie-Art of Disney America and raise the Lantern for this country. But until that day, for the cost will be high. I guess we just have to sing along.

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Reply #6 - Jun 30^th, 2020 at 12:20am

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 1:38pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 11:10am:

Death is not the greatest loss.
It's what dies within us while we are still alive.

Yeah, that's not a bad quote

The traditional Anglo Aussie should take note of that - we're being beaten around the head by the lie of

"we are one but we are many" SBS type crap

Trying to achieve unity by promoting disunity......

An observation;

Australia used to be a destination, a nation, which international travellers admired, and many envied.

It was a time, when Australian society was still viewed [by non-Australian visitors] as being 'quaint' and simple.

And Australia as being a 'simple country', and having an educated, but an 'unsophisticated' society.

Dictionary;
quaint = = attractively unusual or old-fashioned.

But after the [guilt based] 'multicultural' immigration from Asia and the Middle East post the period of the early 1970's [and lately migration from African nations],
Australian society has become complex, confused, conflicted, and we are now a nation which is also struggling with a large homelessness problem, and with many other serious 'social' problems.

And today, many of our original, 'White' Australian migrants, are often described as being 'racists',
whenever they dare to question some of the 'unsavoury' [and abominable! and corrupt!] social mores, of some of our more recent immigrants, people arriving from either 3rd world countries, or countries which have been riven with political [and actual] conflict.

Yes, for anyone in Australia today, to have a less than 'cosmopolitan' opinion, of the many dynamic cultural changes, to the Australian societal 'menage' [of the last several decades],
means that you will likely be identified as being a bigot, or even a 'hate-ful' racist.

And that has been the 'gift', which has been bestowed by a multicultural society, upon the children and the progeny of many of our original nation builders.

Those nation builders, who through their force of will and their determined struggle, [over generations] had built something, which many others had been envious of [being, their possession, of it].

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Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

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Reply #7 - Jun 30^th, 2020 at 9:15am

Yadda wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 12:20am:

And today, many of our original, 'White' Australian migrants, are often described as being 'racists',.....

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Yes, for anyone in Australia today, to have a less than 'cosmopolitan' opinion, of the many dynamic cultural changes, to the Australian societal 'menage' [of the last several decades],
means that you will likely be identified as being a bigot, or even a 'hate-ful' racist.

And that has been the 'gift', which has been bestowed by a multicultural society, upon the children and the progeny of many of our original nation builders.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1555994118/9#9
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IMO, if we join what is precious with what is vile, we do not in that act, 'improve' that which is vile.

We merely corrupt that which is precious.....

.....e.g.
I have two buckets.
The first bucket is full of clean, fresh water.
The second bucket is full of sewage.

Q.
If i pour both buckets into a third container, what do i get?

A.
A third container, full of diluted sewage.

Conclusion?
While i could safely drink from the 1st bucket, i could *not* safely drink from the 2nd bucket, or the 3rd container.

So it is with evil, that is 'tolerated' by good people.

No matter how many times we repeat the phrase, "Tolerance is good.",
...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue.

It is a process, a progression.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1575419613/0#0
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PISA, many 15-year-olds students unable to distinguish the difference between fact and opinion

PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment)

WWW search....
PISA, student rankings OECD vs China

WWW search....
PISA, many 15-year-olds students unable to distinguish the difference between fact and opinion

WWW search....
PISA, Only 9% of 15-year-olds can tell the difference between fact and opinion

That is a shocking indictment upon education systems, in Western societies, in the 21st century.

And it is occurring because [for decades now] we have been teaching our children, that it is more important to learn how to convey [pleasing] LIES to others in our society, than to convey real knowledge [aka TRUTH].

i.e.
We have been teaching our children, how to convey a [social] 'opinion', as a fact.

And many of our children today, can't tell the difference !

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1575419613/4#4

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Jeremiah 15:18
Why is my pain perpetual, and my wound incurable, which refuseth to be healed? wilt thou be altogether unto me as a liar, and as waters that fail?
19 Therefore thus saith the LORD, If thou return, then will I bring thee again, and thou shalt stand before me: and if thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth: let them return unto thee; but return not thou unto them.

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Luke 16:31

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Re: It is OK, to behave in this way
Reply #8 - Sep 13^th, 2020 at 11:55am

Yadda wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:12am:

QUESTION;
How can a large number of human beings believe that it is OK to behave in this way ?

But they did, and they do !

And that 'they' includes all of us.

And my psyche just finds that circumstance so disturbing.

Really !

QUESTION;
But what behaviour am i talking about ?

I'm talking about lying and cheating, as a philosophy of life.

And our thinking that: "It is OK for me to do this."

Everybody lies Yadda. We lie to other people and we lie to ourselves.
Like most things though it is on a spectrum.
Sometimes it's in societies best interests to lie.
Lets face it Yadda, you lie to yourself all the time. You think that you are a good devoted Christian when in fact you are a bigoted sociopath filled with hate.

Quote:

We all lie, all the time. It causes problems, to say the least. So why do we do it?

It boils down to the shifting sands of the self and trying to look good both to ourselves and others, experts say.

"It's tied in with self-esteem," says University of Massachusetts psychologist Robert Feldman. "We find that as soon as people feel that their self-esteem is threatened, they immediately begin to lie at higher levels."

Not all lies are harmful. In fact, sometimes lying is the best approach for protecting privacy and ourselves and others from malice, some researchers say. Some deception, such as boasting and lies in the name of tact and politeness, can be classified as less than serious. But bald-faced lies (whether they involve leaving out the truth or putting in something false), are harmful, as they corrode trust and intimacy—the glue of society.

Many animals engage in deception, or deliberately misleading another, but only humans are wired to deceive both themselves and others, researchers say. People are so engaged in managing how others perceive them that they are often unable to separate truth from fiction in their own minds, Feldman's research shows.
https://www.livescience.com/772-lie.html

In the workplace it's almost a prerequisite to lie

If you want to work in a decent environment
You have to tell your boss that his plans are well thought out and sound, that your colleague is a valued contributor and not annoying in the least and that your work is rewarding and fair.

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Reply #9 - Sep 13^th, 2020 at 5:23pm

"I'm talking about lying and cheating"

Lying and cheating are skills that gather the liar and cheat unfair advantage.

The animal kingdom has many deceptive practices that give an advantage. is deception lying and cheating? i expect it is.

Anything that gives an advantage is just the way the world of life works.

Is it moral, that is a different question and full of subjectivity.

is it OK to tell me wife she lok good when she doen't. Are white lies OK.
Is it OK to charge someone more if they agree to it but you have really ripped them off.
Is it OK to cheat on your partner if they never find out.
Is it OK to leverage knowledge to benefit yourself that others do not have.
Is it OK to oversell your self to get a job that you need to feed your family.

For me, Lying and cheating is part of nature and we are a part of this cycle.

We have evolved very strong social skills that require deception to survive. If we were all honest... the world wouldn't work.

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Reply #10 - Sep 13^th, 2020 at 8:16pm

Barnacle said....
"Everybody lies Yadda"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1593353534/8#8

Super Nova said....
"If we were all honest... the world wouldn't work."
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1593353534/9#9

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"The standard you walk past is the standard you accept."

- Lieutenant General David Lindsay Morrison AO

And you [Australia] did.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1589686200/4#4
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1591943438/7#7

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1558014990/39#39
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Question by Yadda;
Why isn't Australia in 2019, anything like Australia in 1959 ?

[ I offer these thoughts,
....Many of the people who were Australians in 1959, are today dead.
And today, a wholly new group of individuals, who have differing appetites and values, are now Australians.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1575419613/5#5
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QUESTION;
Why do we see so many people today, FLEEING from 3rd world nations, seeking to, wanting to, get entry into 1st world nations ?

Those "...FLEEING from 3rd world nations, seeking to, wanting to, get entry into 1st world nations....."

And the 'arrival' of so many of these 'type' of people, into nations like Australia is why, in 2020, the 'character' of what Australia is, is morphing into the 'character' of nations like Sudan, and Somalia, and Lebanon, and Pakistan, et al.

Places where people routinely lie and cheat.

Because their culture is endemically corrupt.

And Australia too, today.

How long before a taxi driver [with 'connections' and with some cash] can get accreditation documents, which will allow him to fly a trans-Australia Airbus A320, into the ground ?

It couldn't happen, .....in Australia ?

Grin

Why do they want to come here ?

And why do we allow them to do so ?

[ 1/ Because we had something precious. A higher cultural integrity, and prosperity.

2/ Because we are naive and foolish. ]

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Reply #11 - Sep 13^th, 2020 at 8:38pm

Super Nova wrote on Sep 13^th, 2020 at 5:23pm:

"I'm talking about lying and cheating"

Lying and cheating are skills that gather the liar and cheat unfair advantage.

The animal kingdom has many deceptive practices that give an advantage. is deception lying and cheating? i expect it is.

Anything that gives an advantage is just the way the world of life works.

Is it moral, that is a different question and full of subjectivity.

is it OK to tell me wife she lok good when she doen't. Are white lies OK.
Is it OK to charge someone more if they agree to it but you have really ripped them off.
Is it OK to cheat on your partner if they never find out.
Is it OK to leverage knowledge to benefit yourself that others do not have.
Is it OK to oversell your self to get a job that you need to feed your family.

For me, Lying and cheating is part of nature and we are a part of this cycle.

We have evolved very strong social skills that require deception to survive. If we were all honest... the world wouldn't work.

Good post.
What I don't like is when politicians lie to us -
which is almost all the time.

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Reply #12 - Sep 13^th, 2020 at 8:51pm

Super Nova wrote on Sep 13^th, 2020 at 5:23pm:

"I'm talking about lying and cheating"

Lying and cheating are skills that gather the liar and cheat unfair advantage.

The animal kingdom has many deceptive practices that give an advantage. is deception lying and cheating? i expect it is.

Anything that gives an advantage is just the way the world of life works.

Is it moral, that is a different question and full of subjectivity.

is it OK to tell me wife she lok good when she doen't. Are white lies OK.
Is it OK to charge someone more if they agree to it but you have really ripped them off.
Is it OK to cheat on your partner if they never find out.
Is it OK to leverage knowledge to benefit yourself that others do not have.
Is it OK to oversell your self to get a job that you need to feed your family.

For me, Lying and cheating is part of nature and we are a part of this cycle.

We have evolved very strong social skills that require deception to survive. If we were all honest... the world wouldn't work.

Lying and cheating are the skills of a con man.

Deception does exist in the animal kingdom.

But are we animals or human beings.

When you have life's skills (been around) and have trained skills in an occupation of some sort there is no need to lie.

Most people who have been around and are skilful at something can usually pick a liar a mile away, they usually give them a tag something like a used car sales man.

Sorry to all you legit used car salesman out there.

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Reply #14 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 4:30pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2020 at 8:16pm:

"The standard you walk past is the standard you accept."

- Lieutenant General David Lindsay Morrison AO

Ajax wrote on Sep 13^th, 2020 at 8:51pm:

When you have life's skills (been around) and have trained skills in an occupation of some sort there is no need to lie.

So are you both saying that you have NEVER lied? Not even a white lie?
Because if you have told even a single lie in your life then you are conceding that it's really just a spectrum of how much you are prepared to lie.
This isn't just a binary question.

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