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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #525 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:35am

mothra wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 7:41am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 7:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 24^th, 2020 at 1:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 24^th, 2020 at 1:34pm:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-hit-with-300-new-coronaviru...

Victoria has recorded its most deadly day in the COVID-19 pandemic after six people were killed by the virus.

Three were aged in their 90s and
three were aged in their 80s.

OH that's ok then ???

are you saying that the same level of tragic loss surrounds the death of a 90 yo as the death of a 20 yo ?

Covid kills 20 yer olds.

More importantly, the untimely and voidable death of anyone, anywhere along their life's journey is tragic.

rarely,

with unemployment set to peak at 12 % and with suicide 600 % higher in the unemployed, we are going to see a lot of young people die through suicide from the fallout.

now be honest

if your 20 yo son or daughter commited suicide, are you really saying that would have no more effect on you then the death of a 90 yo.

because, i'll be honest, that would do me in

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #526 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:40am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:32am:

Carl D wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 7:26am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 7:10am:

are you saying that the same level of tragic loss surrounds the death of a 90 yo as the death of a 20 yo ?

Yes.

And, even more so since most 90 year olds would have more family (related family, and especially children, grandchildren, etc.) than a 20 year old.

(I see you're gradually slipping back into your usual 'routine' of saying you wouldn't mind seeing the elderly 'sacrificed' to COVID-19 for the sake of the economy).

no i'm not saying that but lets get real.

i ahve been to plenty of funerals for the very elderly.
usually people reminisce, the mood is a bit sad but also people remember the good times, the good innings that people have, people are brought together. its moving but not catastrophic.

i have been to 2 funerals of people in their 20's , one a motorcyle death, one a suicide.

they were traumatic events
i dont most people slept that night
there was no joy
people were specchless.
these were both about 15 years ago and those mothers and fathers are still somewhat demolished. the borthers and sisters and friends opf those young people never got over it.

the level of human suffering with the death of a 20 yo is way more then with the death of a 90 yo.

you can siganl your virtue and so can the politicians but i stand by my assertion.

Coronavirus will not be contained in almost
every country in the world.
Mostly very old people will die.
There is nothing we can do about it as a vaccine
is too far away and may not be effective.
The world will have to learn to live with this virus
which could mean wearing masks for the next 2 to 3 years
and limiting social contact.

We're actually lucky in some ways as it's possible
that a virus could have a 50% or more death rate
regardless of age or health status.
This one seems to have about a 1% death rate so most of us will still survive.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #527 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:53am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:32am:

no i'm not saying that but lets get real.

i ahve been to plenty of funerals for the very elderly.
usually people reminisce, the mood is a bit sad but also people remember the good times, the good innings that people have, people are brought together. its moving but not catastrophic.

i have been to 2 funerals of people in their 20's , one a motorcyle death, one a suicide.

they were traumatic events
i dont most people slept that night
there was no joy
people were specchless.
these were both about 15 years ago and those mothers and fathers are still somewhat demolished. the borthers and sisters and friends opf those young people never got over it.

the level of human suffering with the death of a 20 yo is way more then with the death of a 90 yo.

you can siganl your virtue and so can the politicians but i stand by my assertion.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #528 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:54am

bobby .

what amazes me is the hopeless way the nursing homes have handled this.

i have a relative who works at my local hospital.

everyone with a temp of over 38 is treated as covid until they get a test back .

so they admitted someone with a temp of 38.5 (from a nursing home),

they actually ended up having a kidney infection.

but this hospital has 4 beds to a ward, so they had to move 3 patients out of that cubicle.

2 had to be sent by ambulance to another hospital.
the same andos who brought in the patient with the temp of 38.5 drove one of those patients to another hospital.

PPE is really hard to wear. people touch their face thru it. and it is no gaurantee to work.

hell, arent 300 health workers in victoria infected.

these protocols seem to be shuffling the virus from hospital to hospital.

surely, surely, surely the sensible thing to do and the cheaper would have been to have a few teams of experts who knew how to wear PPE go to the nursing homes and treat people in place.

because the chief helath officer saying they should be shifted to public hospitals just looks insane.

then young nurses who catch the train to and from work are going to assymptomatically spread it everywhere .

the nursing homes should have dedicated staff, pay them extra to stay on site, no coming and going, like a Fly in fly out mine site.
maybe you do 14 days on at extra pay and then 14 days at home on isolation pay and then repeat.

i cant believe they had staff working at 3 or 4 facilities and catching public transport to and from work.

blind freddy would have known that was stupid

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #529 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:55am

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:53am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:32am:

no i'm not saying that but lets get real.

i ahve been to plenty of funerals for the very elderly.
usually people reminisce, the mood is a bit sad but also people remember the good times, the good innings that people have, people are brought together. its moving but not catastrophic.

i have been to 2 funerals of people in their 20's , one a motorcyle death, one a suicide.

they were traumatic events
i dont most people slept that night
there was no joy
people were specchless.
these were both about 15 years ago and those mothers and fathers are still somewhat demolished. the borthers and sisters and friends opf those young people never got over it.

the level of human suffering with the death of a 20 yo is way more then with the death of a 90 yo.

you can siganl your virtue and so can the politicians but i stand by my assertion.

https://i.imgur.com/YUa22e8.gif

your opinion means nothing to me.

i ahve stated my opinion and my reasoning Roll Eyes

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #530 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:59am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:54am:

bobby .

what amazes me is the hopeless way the nursing homes have handled this.

i have a relative who works at my local hospital.

everyone with a temp of over 38 is treated as covid until they get a test back .

so they admitted someone with a temp of 38.5 (from a nursing home),

they actually ended up having a kidney infection.

but this hospital has 4 beds to a ward, so they had to move 3 patients out of that cubicle.

2 had to be sent by ambulance to another hospital.
the same andos who brought in the patient with the temp of 38.5 drove one of those patients to another hospital.

PPE is really hard to wear. people touch their face thru it. and it is no gaurantee to work.

hell, arent 300 health workers in victoria infected.

these protocols seem to be shuffling the virus from hospital to hospital.

surely, surely, surely the sensible thing to do and the cheaper would have been to have a few teams of experts who knew how to wear PPE go to the nursing homes and treat people in place.

because the chief helath officer saying they should be shifted to public hospitals just looks insane.

then young nurses who catch the train to and from work are going to assymptomatically spread it everywhere .

the nursing homes should have dedicated staff, pay them extra to stay on site, no coming and going, like a Fly in fly out mine site.
maybe you do 14 days on at extra pay and then 14 days at home on isolation pay and then repeat.

i cant believe they had staff working at 3 or 4 facilities and catching public transport to and from work.

blind freddy would have known that was stupid

I dunno what they're doing.
What's the bet that by the time a vaccine is out
most people have already had this virus and there is
a herd immunity built up which
causes the virus to die out of its own accord?

The Spanish Flu died out like that by 1920.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #531 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 9:27am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:54am:

bobby .

what amazes me is the hopeless way the nursing homes have handled this.

i have a relative who works at my local hospital.

everyone with a temp of over 38 is treated as covid until they get a test back .

so they admitted someone with a temp of 38.5 (from a nursing home),

they actually ended up having a kidney infection.

but this hospital has 4 beds to a ward, so they had to move 3 patients out of that cubicle.

2 had to be sent by ambulance to another hospital.
the same andos who brought in the patient with the temp of 38.5 drove one of those patients to another hospital.

PPE is really hard to wear. people touch their face thru it. and it is no gaurantee to work.

hell, arent 300 health workers in victoria infected.

these protocols seem to be shuffling the virus from hospital to hospital.

surely, surely, surely the sensible thing to do and the cheaper would have been to have a few teams of experts who knew how to wear PPE go to the nursing homes and treat people in place.

because the chief helath officer saying they should be shifted to public hospitals just looks insane.

then young nurses who catch the train to and from work are going to assymptomatically spread it everywhere .

the nursing homes should have dedicated staff, pay them extra to stay on site, no coming and going, like a Fly in fly out mine site.
maybe you do 14 days on at extra pay and then 14 days at home on isolation pay and then repeat.

i cant believe they had staff working at 3 or 4 facilities and catching public transport to and from work.

blind freddy would have known that was stupid

I dunno what they're doing.
What's the bet that by the time a vaccine is out
most people have already had this virus and there is
a herd immunity built up which
causes the virus to die out of its own accord?

The Spanish Flu died out like that by 1920.

i see there are 500 nursing home infections.

wow.

Dan had 6 months to get ready for that.

if you can quaratine people in 5 star hotels , why cant that be done in nursing homes.

cheaper in the long run as well

should have been security gaurds at every entrance
amd staff permanently on site.

an ICU bed costs 12,000 a day.
and the oldies will be in there for weeks.

you could have put them all in the hilton with their own private room and private nurse for 1/4 of the cost.

plus, transferring them to hsopitals gaurantees that the staff spread it to all the chemo patients and dialysis patients.

WTF is wrong with these twits.

i'm a farmer and i can come up with more sensible solutions.

the chief helath officer and dan need to stop spending so much time hogging the microphone and go do some actual work

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #532 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 9:31am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:55am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:53am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 8:32am:

no i'm not saying that but lets get real.

i ahve been to plenty of funerals for the very elderly.
usually people reminisce, the mood is a bit sad but also people remember the good times, the good innings that people have, people are brought together. its moving but not catastrophic.

i have been to 2 funerals of people in their 20's , one a motorcyle death, one a suicide.

they were traumatic events
i dont most people slept that night
there was no joy
people were specchless.
these were both about 15 years ago and those mothers and fathers are still somewhat demolished. the borthers and sisters and friends opf those young people never got over it.

the level of human suffering with the death of a 20 yo is way more then with the death of a 90 yo.

you can siganl your virtue and so can the politicians but i stand by my assertion.

https://i.imgur.com/YUa22e8.gif

your opinion means nothing to me.

i ahve stated my opinion and my reasoning Roll Eyes

your opinion is a load of horse poo. And you don't use reasoning, you only repeat your misguided mantra. You've been brainwashed by all your self help books and fail to recognise it.

At some point you really should put them down and learn to think for yourself.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #533 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 1:13pm

26.7.20

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-26/victoria-coronavirus-cases-latest-update/...

Victoria records 459 new cases of coronavirus
and 10 more deaths,

marking the deadliest day in Australia since the pandemic began

Seven men ranging in age from their 40s to their 80s and three women in their 70s and 80s are the latest to die from the virus and take the state's death toll to 71.

Mr Andrews said seven of the deaths were linked to aged care outbreaks and the man in his 40s was not connected to any outbreak.

The record number of deaths came as Mr Andrews issued a warning to Victorians refusing to wear masks inside the lockdown area, in breach of rules that came into effect on Wednesday.

Several videos have emerged on social media of customers arguing with retail staff and police, with one non-compliant woman telling Bunnings Warehouse workers: "It is my right as a living woman to do whatever I want".

Mr Andrews said the mandatory use of masks outside the home was "not an issue of human rights" and said those who refused were "just making a selfish choice".

"There are 10 families that are going to be burying someone in the next few days," he said.

"Wear a mask. It's not too much to ask."

Police said 126 fines were issued to people breaching stage three restrictions in the 24 hours to Sunday morning.

Seventeen were issued to people trying to leave the lockdown zone, and 20 were to people not wearing masks.

A 47-year-old man and 51-year-old woman who were with their children at the time, refused to give police their details when they were approached at the 1,000 Steps in the Dandenong Ranges.

After multiple requests, the Ferntree Gully couple were arrested and will be issued with $200 fines for failing to wear a face covering.
Victoria sets new testing record, ADF to assist paramedics

More than 42,000 tests were completed on Saturday, the highest amount the Government has completed in a single day.

Mr Andrews said there were about 200 off-roster paramedics and third-year students helping with contact tracing.

"Their skills in dealing with dynamic circumstances means they are perfectly suited to that," he said.

From Monday, 20 Australian Defence Force personnel will begin working alongside Ambulance Victoria paramedics in joint crews.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #535 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 1:26pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 1:24pm:

Bobby, do you love your premier?

No - and I don't hate anyone.
As I said above:

What's the bet that by the time a vaccine is out
most people have already had this virus and there is
a herd immunity built up which
causes the virus to die out of its own accord?

The Spanish Flu died out like that by 1920.

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Reply #536 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 3:33pm

And, the idiocy just goes on and on...

Morrison government ministers allowed to defy travel ban to fly to the US

https://www.9news.com.au/national/morrison-government-ministers-allowed-to-defy-...

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Australia's foreign and defence ministers will become the first members of the government to leave Australia since the international border closed.
Today, Foreign Minister Marise Payne and Defence Minister Linda Reynolds will travel to Washington for annual talks with the US government, with "China" set to dominate discussions.
The Australian Ministers will meet face-to-face with US Secretary of Defence Mark Esper and US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in Washington DC — a risky trip given the US has hit over four million COVID-19 cases.

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The small delegation, which also includes Chief of the Defence Force, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) secretary Frances Adamson and Defence secretary Greg Moriarty, will have isolate for fourteen days when they return.
"And they'll be doing it on the basis of medical advice," Health Minister Greg Hunt said.

Huh? Medical advice? Can't they figure that out for themselves? Cheesy

Should quarantine them for at least a month when they get back. And, not "self isolation" in their own homes.

And, maybe someone should tell them about this new fangled technology called video conferencing? Roll Eyes

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #537 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 3:53pm

Bunnings customer melts down over face mask requirement because it 'doesn't apply to her' amid COVID outbreak

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/bunnings-customer-melts-down-ove...

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A Bunnings customer says she does not have to wear a face mask because it is her “right as a living woman to do whatever I want”.

Yeah, right. And, it is the right of the rest of us not to be potentially infected with COVID-19 by idiots like her. Seems to know all about her "rights" but couldn't care less about her responsibilities (watch the video).

Time for big fines AND some prison sentences to be handed out.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107312 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7 Reply #538 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 3:56pm Carl D wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 3:33pm: And, the idiocy just goes on and on... Morrison government ministers allowed to defy travel ban to fly to the US https://www.9news.com.au/national/morrison-government-ministers-allowed-to-defy-... I hope they don't bring Covid-19 back with them?
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Reply #539 - Jul 26^th, 2020 at 4:05pm

Carl D wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 3:53pm:

Bunnings customer melts down over face mask requirement because it 'doesn't apply to her' amid COVID outbreak

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/bunnings-customer-melts-down-ove...

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A Bunnings customer says she does not have to wear a face mask because it is her “right as a living woman to do whatever I want”.

Yeah, right. And, it is the right of the rest of us not to be potentially infected with COVID-19 by idiots like her. Seems to know all about her "rights" but couldn't care less about her responsibilities (watch the video).

Time for big fines AND some prison sentences to be handed out.

What a bad attitude she has.
There were always going to be people like her.

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