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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #645 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 1:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 1:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 1:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 12:28pm:

"I almost feel sorry for her, but given how dangerous her misinformation is I'm more concerned about that than her mental health."

That's exactly how I feel.

You have to feel genuinely sorry for people like her, and just hope that she gets some professional help.

But yes, at this stage her extremely dangerous misinformation needs to stop.

There are too many insane people around.
Maybe it's the junk food?

rump steak, salmon , avacado bobby.
stick to your program

Right on Brother.

Did you see this posted above?

ABC 24 -
a medical specialist spoke.
He says that up to 11 times the number of people
testing positive for Covid-19
could have been exposed to it -
which an anti-body test would show.

I was right - the actual cases are much larger -
it's out there and we could all have had it and not even known about it.

Of course they're much larger.

That's hardly a revelation.

The only way to know the real number is to test every single person in the country, every single day of the week.

The official stats are an indication of whether or not we're getting on top of it or not.

The actual numbers aren't all that important.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #646 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 2:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 12:28pm:

"I almost feel sorry for her, but given how dangerous her misinformation is I'm more concerned about that than her mental health."

That's exactly how I feel.

You have to feel genuinely sorry for people like her, and just hope that she gets some professional help.

But yes, at this stage her extremely dangerous misinformation needs to stop.

There are too many insane people around.
Maybe it's the junk food?

It's not fair to call them all insane, even her.

She is human after all. Our defining feature is our curiosity and our yearning for answers.

Where she and so many like her have gone wrong is that desire for answers and understanding is so strong that they'll settle for any answers that they can understand.

We've done that through the ages.

What is the Sun? It's a god looking down on us.

Why does it rise? A god did it.

What goes it mean when it goes out in the middle of the day? God is angry.

These were all early humans attempts at explaining the world around them and when that became religious texts, like it or not, they were our first attempts at science and understanding the world around us.

Eventually, we learnt more. The Sun was a small ball that revolved around the earth.

Then we discovered the earth's rotation thanks to the stars, therefore the Sun wasn't rising, it was the earth rotating.

The solar system was then unlocked and our understanding kept improving.

We have to keep asking questions because this leads to discovery.

But something happened, something has changed to make these errors of the past so mainstream once again.

We have this terrible combination now of so many people let down by their various education systems and until pre-Internet era ended, getting information out required it to be published which cost money so it wasn't worth spreading and sharing information that was likely untrue, now it's as easy as pressing "Share" and before you know it you've cross-posted it to Twitter, Insta, Facebook etc with one click.

It's a terrible combination.

When these answers involve conspiracy theories crafted to make the reader believe they are now special for knowing the secret truth behind the curtain they're especially insidious.

Sometimes these theories are crafted to troll, sometimes it's to boast that those already believe are special because of what they know and must share it.

I want people to never stop asking questions and searching for answers, but being lazy about it and thinking an 8 minute YouTube video now makes them an expert on something is dangerous, especially in our high-risk times.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #647 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 2:24pm

KangAnon wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 2:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 12:28pm:

"I almost feel sorry for her, but given how dangerous her misinformation is I'm more concerned about that than her mental health."

That's exactly how I feel.

You have to feel genuinely sorry for people like her, and just hope that she gets some professional help.

But yes, at this stage her extremely dangerous misinformation needs to stop.

There are too many insane people around.
Maybe it's the junk food?

It's not fair to call them all insane, even her.

She is human after all. Our defining feature is our curiosity and our yearning for answers.

Where she and so many like her have gone wrong is that desire for answers and understanding is so strong that they'll settle for any answers that they can understand.

We've done that through the ages.

What is the Sun? It's a god looking down on us.

Why does it rise? A god did it.

What goes it mean when it goes out in the middle of the day? God is angry.

These were all early humans attempts at explaining the world around them and when that became religious texts, like it or not, they were our first attempts at science and understanding the world around us.

Eventually, we learnt more. The Sun was a small ball that revolved around the earth.

Then we discovered the earth's rotation thanks to the stars, therefore the Sun wasn't rising, it was the earth rotating.

The solar system was then unlocked and our understanding kept improving.

We have to keep asking questions because this leads to discovery.

But something happened, something has changed to make these errors of the past so mainstream once again.

We have this terrible combination now of so many people let down by their various education systems and until pre-Internet era ended, getting information out required it to be published which cost money so it wasn't worth spreading and sharing information that was likely untrue, now it's as easy as pressing "Share" and before you know it you've cross-posted it to Twitter, Insta, Facebook etc with one click.

It's a terrible combination.

When these answers involve conspiracy theories crafted to make the reader believe they are now special for knowing the secret truth behind the curtain they're especially insidious.

Sometimes these theories are crafted to troll, sometimes it's to boast that those already believe are special because of what they know and must share it.

I want people to never stop asking questions and searching for answers, but being lazy about it and thinking an 8 minute YouTube video now makes them an expert on something is dangerous, especially in our high-risk times.

exactly

our curiousity is another way of saying our
"spirit of adventure"

you tell people to self isolate and hide and you crush that.
you replace the spirit to move out into the world and explore and be curious and face up to a challenge with "fear, shrinking from life and the coping mentality"

that is "anti-human"

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #648 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 2:26pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 2:24pm:

KangAnon wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 2:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 12:28pm:

"I almost feel sorry for her, but given how dangerous her misinformation is I'm more concerned about that than her mental health."

That's exactly how I feel.

You have to feel genuinely sorry for people like her, and just hope that she gets some professional help.

But yes, at this stage her extremely dangerous misinformation needs to stop.

There are too many insane people around.
Maybe it's the junk food?

It's not fair to call them all insane, even her.

She is human after all. Our defining feature is our curiosity and our yearning for answers.

Where she and so many like her have gone wrong is that desire for answers and understanding is so strong that they'll settle for any answers that they can understand.

We've done that through the ages.

What is the Sun? It's a god looking down on us.

Why does it rise? A god did it.

What goes it mean when it goes out in the middle of the day? God is angry.

These were all early humans attempts at explaining the world around them and when that became religious texts, like it or not, they were our first attempts at science and understanding the world around us.

Eventually, we learnt more. The Sun was a small ball that revolved around the earth.

Then we discovered the earth's rotation thanks to the stars, therefore the Sun wasn't rising, it was the earth rotating.

The solar system was then unlocked and our understanding kept improving.

We have to keep asking questions because this leads to discovery.

But something happened, something has changed to make these errors of the past so mainstream once again.

We have this terrible combination now of so many people let down by their various education systems and until pre-Internet era ended, getting information out required it to be published which cost money so it wasn't worth spreading and sharing information that was likely untrue, now it's as easy as pressing "Share" and before you know it you've cross-posted it to Twitter, Insta, Facebook etc with one click.

It's a terrible combination.

When these answers involve conspiracy theories crafted to make the reader believe they are now special for knowing the secret truth behind the curtain they're especially insidious.

Sometimes these theories are crafted to troll, sometimes it's to boast that those already believe are special because of what they know and must share it.

I want people to never stop asking questions and searching for answers, but being lazy about it and thinking an 8 minute YouTube video now makes them an expert on something is dangerous, especially in our high-risk times.

exactly

our curiousity is another way of saying our
"spirit of adventure"

you tell people to self isolate and hide and you crush that.
you replace the spirit to move out into the world and explore and be curious and face up to a challenge with "fear, shrinking from life and the coping mentality"

that is "anti-human"

Well, cods isn't going to be too pleased with you two.

She had a go at me this morning for being curious.

No need for that sort of thing, according to her.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #649 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 2:51pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 2:24pm:

KangAnon wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 2:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 12:28pm:

"I almost feel sorry for her, but given how dangerous her misinformation is I'm more concerned about that than her mental health."

That's exactly how I feel.

You have to feel genuinely sorry for people like her, and just hope that she gets some professional help.

But yes, at this stage her extremely dangerous misinformation needs to stop.

There are too many insane people around.
Maybe it's the junk food?

It's not fair to call them all insane, even her.

She is human after all. Our defining feature is our curiosity and our yearning for answers.

Where she and so many like her have gone wrong is that desire for answers and understanding is so strong that they'll settle for any answers that they can understand.

We've done that through the ages.

What is the Sun? It's a god looking down on us.

Why does it rise? A god did it.

What goes it mean when it goes out in the middle of the day? God is angry.

These were all early humans attempts at explaining the world around them and when that became religious texts, like it or not, they were our first attempts at science and understanding the world around us.

Eventually, we learnt more. The Sun was a small ball that revolved around the earth.

Then we discovered the earth's rotation thanks to the stars, therefore the Sun wasn't rising, it was the earth rotating.

The solar system was then unlocked and our understanding kept improving.

We have to keep asking questions because this leads to discovery.

But something happened, something has changed to make these errors of the past so mainstream once again.

We have this terrible combination now of so many people let down by their various education systems and until pre-Internet era ended, getting information out required it to be published which cost money so it wasn't worth spreading and sharing information that was likely untrue, now it's as easy as pressing "Share" and before you know it you've cross-posted it to Twitter, Insta, Facebook etc with one click.

It's a terrible combination.

When these answers involve conspiracy theories crafted to make the reader believe they are now special for knowing the secret truth behind the curtain they're especially insidious.

Sometimes these theories are crafted to troll, sometimes it's to boast that those already believe are special because of what they know and must share it.

I want people to never stop asking questions and searching for answers, but being lazy about it and thinking an 8 minute YouTube video now makes them an expert on something is dangerous, especially in our high-risk times.

exactly

our curiousity is another way of saying our
"spirit of adventure"

you tell people to self isolate and hide and you crush that.
you replace the spirit to move out into the world and explore and be curious and face up to a challenge with "fear, shrinking from life and the coping mentality"

that is "anti-human"

So you're back to fighting even the "personal responsibility" angle you've been trying to repaint your entire opposition to any mitigation effort for COVID-19?

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #650 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:00pm

repainting what?

my line has always been consistent and is the line of the nobel prize winning immunologist Professor ian Fraser

this is just another in a long line of viruses to jump into the human species.

most people will be fine

many people will catch it.

we need to take actions to SLOW (NOT STOP) the spread so we dont over whelm the hospitals.

the hospitals are NOT overwhelmed (neither are they in sweden by the way) and so we gain nothing by shutting down more and hiding more .

and there is no case to lockdown any more tightly then we already are.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #651 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:05pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

my line has always been consistent and is the line of the nobel prize winning immunologist Professor ian Fraser

this is just another in a long line of viruses to jump into the human species.

most people will be fine

many people will catch it.

we need to take actions to SLOW (NOT STOP) the spread so we dont over whelm the hospitals.

That's everyone's line.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

the hospitals are NOT overwhelmed (neither are they in sweden by the way) and so we gain nothing by shutting down more and hiding more .

Shutting down is the reason the hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Open up too soon, and they'll quickly become overwhelmed.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #652 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:16pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

the hospitals are NOT overwhelmed (neither are they in sweden by the way)

Dead people don't have much need for a hospital bed.

How are their morgues doing?

"Swedish authorities are resorting to refrigerated shipping containers, ice rinks and canteen fridges to store the nation’s dead as the Covid-19 death toll rises and burials are postponed across the country.

"Long weekends such as the Easter Holidays can cause a backlog but this has been exacerbated by the coronavirus epidemic and ensuing deaths and backlog at cemeteries, many of which are closed as a precautionary measure.

"In both Gothenburg and Stockholm, hospitals have resorted to renting out ice rinks and refrigerated containers for use as temporary cold storage for the deceased, while Karolinska University Hospital in Solna has resorted to using a cold storage room for food as a temporary morgue."

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #653 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

my line has always been consistent and is the line of the nobel prize winning immunologist Professor ian Fraser

this is just another in a long line of viruses to jump into the human species.

most people will be fine

many people will catch it.

we need to take actions to SLOW (NOT STOP) the spread so we dont over whelm the hospitals.

That's everyone's line.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

the hospitals are NOT overwhelmed (neither are they in sweden by the way) and so we gain nothing by shutting down more and hiding more .

Shutting down is the reason the hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Open up too soon, and they'll quickly become overwhelmed.

Professor Brett Sutton was worried at their 20% hospitalisation rate with the current demographic of those testing positive two weeks ago so they've drastically ramped up not only ICU capability but beds in general with the latest move being the cancellation of elective surgeries.

This is not "normal".

I have a feeling Scoot is like those who would visit hospitals in the US and see empty waiting rooms and assume that it's all a hoax and he may need to see the hospitals overflowing and the commencement of death panels who decide who is worth admitting based on their survival rates and turning away the elderly and those without pre-existing conditions because they're out of capacity, like in some states in the US now, before he considers the notion of "overwhelming the hospitals" as being something that might be happening.

Even then, I'm not so sure.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #654 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

the hospitals are NOT overwhelmed (neither are they in sweden by the way)

Dead people don't have much need for a hospital bed.

How are their morgues doing?

"Swedish authorities are resorting to refrigerated shipping containers, ice rinks and canteen fridges to store the nation’s dead as the Covid-19 death toll rises and burials are postponed across the country.

"Long weekends such as the Easter Holidays can cause a backlog but this has been exacerbated by the coronavirus epidemic and ensuing deaths and backlog at cemeteries, many of which are closed as a precautionary measure.

"In both Gothenburg and Stockholm, hospitals have resorted to renting out ice rinks and refrigerated containers for use as temporary cold storage for the deceased, while Karolinska University Hospital in Solna has resorted to using a cold storage room for food as a temporary morgue."

you got a source for that??

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #655 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:38pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:00pm:

the hospitals are NOT overwhelmed (neither are they in sweden by the way)

Dead people don't have much need for a hospital bed.

How are their morgues doing?

"Swedish authorities are resorting to refrigerated shipping containers, ice rinks and canteen fridges to store the nation’s dead as the Covid-19 death toll rises and burials are postponed across the country.

"Long weekends such as the Easter Holidays can cause a backlog but this has been exacerbated by the coronavirus epidemic and ensuing deaths and backlog at cemeteries, many of which are closed as a precautionary measure.

"In both Gothenburg and Stockholm, hospitals have resorted to renting out ice rinks and refrigerated containers for use as temporary cold storage for the deceased, while Karolinska University Hospital in Solna has resorted to using a cold storage room for food as a temporary morgue."

you got a source for that??

I do indeed.

https://www.rt.com/news/485249-sweden-ice-rinks-containers-morgues/

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #657 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:54pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:46pm:

are you using a link to a russian news site.

russia Cheesy

Yes.

And their information is coming from Sweden.

“The big bottleneck is that our mortuary is not properly dimensioned for such a large city that we are in. It is then important for relatives to arrange the funerals so that the deceased become coffin-bound and thus can be handled by the cemetery administration,” Gothenburg funeral director Katarina Evenseth told Swedish Radio.

So, who are you accusing of lying - the news agency, the Swedish funeral director, or the Swedish radio station?

And, you didn't answer my question.

How are their morgues doing?

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Reply #658 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 4:55pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:54pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 3:46pm:

are you using a link to a russian news site.

russia Cheesy

Yes.

And their information is coming from Sweden.

“The big bottleneck is that our mortuary is not properly dimensioned for such a large city that we are in. It is then important for relatives to arrange the funerals so that the deceased become coffin-bound and thus can be handled by the cemetery administration,” Gothenburg funeral director Katarina Evenseth told Swedish Radio.

So, who are you accusing of lying - the news agency, the Swedish funeral director, or the Swedish radio station?

And, you didn't answer my question.

How are their morgues doing?

ah, so you cant tell the difference between a funeral home (which i wasnt talking about) and a hospital (which i was).

now

try again.

any links to hospitals being overrun Roll Eyes

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #659 - Jul 28^th, 2020 at 6:07pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 4:55pm:

any links to hospitals being overrun Roll Eyes

Sick aged care residents turned away from Victorian hospitals as coronavirus cases surged

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-greg-hunt-interview-aged-care-resi...

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Vulnerable aged care residents were being turned away from Victorian public hospitals as coronavirus cases surged, 9News can reveal.
Health Minister Greg Hunt said some facilities had attempted to admit residents only to be "blocked or deferred by the Victorian system," labelling it "unacceptable".

Can't see things improving from here on, unfortunately.

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