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Reply #780 - Aug 2^nd, 2020 at 5:17pm

Coronavirus: Victoria declares state of disaster after spike in cases

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53627038

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The Australian state of Victoria has declared a state of disaster and imposed new lockdown measures after a surge in coronavirus infections.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said the restrictions would come into effect on Sunday at 18:00 (09:00 BST).

Under the new rules, residents of the state capital Melbourne will be subject to a night-time curfew.

The city's stay-at-home order will be enhanced, giving residents fewer exemptions for leaving home.

Residents will not be allowed to travel further than 5 km (3.1 miles) from their home, exercise will be restricted to once a day, and one person will be able to go shopping for essentials at a time.

After early success in suppressing the virus, Australia has had fewer cases than many other countries, recording about 17,000 infections and 200 deaths.

But cases are rising rapidly in Victoria, accounting for many of Australia's new infections in recent weeks, promoting the return of lockdown restrictions in early July.

Why did the virus re-emerge in Melbourne?
Melbourne returns to full lockdown

On Sunday, the state reported 671 new coronavirus cases and seven deaths. Those increases brought the totals to 11,557 infections and 123 deaths.

Mr Andrews said the lockdown measures introduced in the Victoria - Australia's most populous state - were working but too slowly.

"We must do more. We must go harder. It's the only way we'll get to the other side of this," Mr Andrews said at a news conference.

Mr Andrews said the changes to lockdown rules announced on Sunday will remain in place until at least 13 September.
What are the new restrictions?

Mr Andrews said Melbourne will move into stage-four restrictions on Sunday, placing further limits on the movement of people.

That will include a night-time curfew, which will be implemented across Melbourne from 20:00 to 05:00 from Sunday.

The only reasons for leaving home during these hours will be work, medical care or care-giving.

Melbourne residents will only be allowed to shop and exercise within 5 km of their home. Exercise outside of the home will only be allowed for one hour at a time.

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Sophia Gold Member Offline Posts: 8641	Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7 Reply #781 - Aug 2^nd, 2020 at 6:36pm . I had someone say it’s more like .... “China‘s Occupation of Victoria implemented by Dan”
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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #782 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 3:09pm

Coronavirus Victoria: Man fined for playing Pokémon Go under COVID-19 breach

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-victoria-man-fined-for-playing-pok...

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A man has been fined for playing Pokémon Go in Melbourne under another COVID-19 restriction breach.

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The Pokémon player, who lived in Sunshine, was found playing the game in Melbourne's CBD and was issued a $1652 fine.

Turned out to be an expensive outing for him, didn't it?

Unbelievable. Are people still playing that? I thought it went 'out of fashion' at about the same time as those silly 'My Family' stick figures people used to put on their rear car windows. Roll Eyes

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** Repeat Covid infections exercise our immune system in the same way that repeat concussions exercise our brain **

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #783 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 3:42pm

Victoria records 429 new coronavirus cases
and 13 deaths

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/victoria-records-429-new-coronav...

on first day of Stage 4

Published: 03/08/2020
Updated: 3 August 2020 3:28 pm

Victoria has matched its deadliest day since the beginning of the pandemic with a further 13 coronavirus-related fatalities reported.

The state on Monday also confirmed 429 new infections from 25,000 tests.

The 13 deaths are a man in his 60s, two men and a woman in their 70s, two men in their 80s and five women and two men in their 90s.

Eight of those are related to outbreaks in aged care settings.

The state’s death toll is now 136 and the national tally 221.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107272 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7 Reply #784 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 6:57pm I think Daniel Andrews is way out of control. He didn’t even give an extra week for a chance for the compulsory masks to work. In any case – in years from now I honestly believe that all these lockdowns will be considered futile attempts to stop an airborne virus. It cannot be stopped.
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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #785 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:43pm

probably bobby.

they are absolutely betting the farm on some miracle vaccine.
if that doesnt eventuate, they are completely rooted.

but , just as an example.
my missus wanted to buy a few horse rugs tonight
she got onto her supplier from victoria who has told her they are now ordered to shutdown for 6 weeks and the lady is closing down the business.

the problem at the moment is that people arent feeling the pain and so they think this lockdown is a great idea.

it seems to be costing victoria about 4 billion a month.
you divide that by the population and its about $200/per person per week.

now they are propping up the dole and job keeper and job seeker but that $200 is the actual cost.

what andrews and scomo and all the other politicians should be telling people is

"citizens of australia, you can have your lockdown and we can keep you safe , but this is not without cost. so there will be a $200 tax surcharge on every citizen . this will come out of your wages or your welfare or your pension. please think carefully about how long you want the lockdown to continue but thats the cost and we are unwilling to just pass that on to the nations c=grandchildren"

if they did that , if they were honest, i think 95 % of people would say

'we just have to get on with our lives becasue the price is too high".

now if this virus killed 10 % or 20 %, then , you bet i would be happy to pay that $200 a week.

but thats not the case and the price that you bobby and every citizen and their kids and grandkids are paying is too high.

and they will look back in a decade or two and say

"we shouldnt have done that. the benefit was very very little and the cost was way too much"

if we get a 100 % effective vaccine in november, it was a price worth paying. but what are the chances of that.
not very high, i believe

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7 Reply #786 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:54pm What happens after 6 weeks of home detention and the people are free, then the numbers start to climb again because the pesky virus doesn't go away, will Dan tell every one to go wash their hands and lock themselves away again or will Dan get lynched.
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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #787 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:57pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:43pm:

probably bobby.

they are absolutely betting the farm on some miracle vaccine.
if that doesnt eventuate, they are completely rooted.

but , just as an example.
my missus wanted to buy a few horse rugs tonight
she got onto her supplier from victoria who has told her they are now ordered to shutdown for 6 weeks and the lady is closing down the business.

the problem at the moment is that people arent feeling the pain and so they think this lockdown is a great idea.

it seems to be costing victoria about 4 billion a month.
you divide that by the population and its about $200/per person per week.

now they are propping up the dole and job keeper and job seeker but that $200 is the actual cost.

what andrews and scomo and all the other politicians should be telling people is

"citizens of australia, you can have your lockdown and we can keep you safe , but this is not without cost. so there will be a $200 tax surcharge on every citizen . this will come out of your wages or your welfare or your pension. please think carefully about how long you want the lockdown to continue but thats the cost and we are unwilling to just pass that on to the nations c=grandchildren"

if they did that , if they were honest, i think 95 % of people would say

'we just have to get on with our lives becasue the price is too high".

now if this virus killed 10 % or 20 %, then , you bet i would be happy to pay that $200 a week.

but thats not the case and the price that you bobby and every citizen and their kids and grandkids are paying is too high.

and they will look back in a decade or two and say

"we shouldnt have done that. the benefit was very very little and the cost was way too much"

if we get a 100 % effective vaccine in november, it was a price worth paying. but what are the chances of that.
not very high, i believe

Already in Russia - a miracle - Vax in October:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53621708

How come the Russians have a cure vaccine in October and
ours is nowhere in sight?

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #788 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:59pm

Johnnie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:54pm:

What happens after 6 weeks of home detention and the people are free, then the numbers start to climb again because the pesky virus doesn't go away, will Dan tell every one to go wash their hands and lock themselves away again or will Dan get lynched.

Daniel stands on the beach telling the tide not to come in.
He thinks he can control nature.
Is he mad?

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #789 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:59pm:

Johnnie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:54pm:

What happens after 6 weeks of home detention and the people are free, then the numbers start to climb again because the pesky virus doesn't go away, will Dan tell every one to go wash their hands and lock themselves away again or will Dan get lynched.

Daniel stands on the beach telling the tide not to come in.
He thinks he can control nature.
Is he mad?

He needs a holiday,, a long one.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #790 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 6:57pm:

I think Daniel Andrews is way out of control.

He didn’t even give an extra week for a chance for the compulsory masks to work.
In any case – in years from now I honestly believe that all
these lockdowns will be considered futile attempts to stop an airborne virus.
It cannot be stopped.

it is going to be REALLY tough.

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #791 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:20pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 6:57pm:

I think Daniel Andrews is way out of control.

He didn’t even give an extra week for a chance for the compulsory masks to work.
In any case – in years from now I honestly believe that all
these lockdowns will be considered futile attempts to stop an airborne virus.
It cannot be stopped.

it is going to be REALLY tough.

It's getting worse.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6177606898001

Daniel Andrews only ‘wants to be seen’ to be doing something
03/08/2020|7min

Sky News host Peta Credlin says given Victorians will be forced to live under something approaching house arrest for the next six weeks or more, then they are entitled to more transparency from their government.

“All along, Victorians have accepted that drastic measures might be needed to protect us from this disease, which, we know, puts vulnerable people are serious risk,” Ms Credlin said.

“We get that. And from the start, back in March, Victoria had the toughest and longest initial shutdowns.

“But clearly, none of that worked.”

It comes as Premier Daniel Andrews conceded it will take years for the Victoria's economy to recover from the pandemic, as the state government orders all "non-essential" businesses to shut down for a six-week period.

Premier Andrews said the new restrictions will mean an additional 250,000 Victorians being stood down from their jobs.

“When, other than in cities under martial law or enemy occupation, do you have a general curfew? Well, we do in Melbourne,” Ms Credlin said.

“To date, very little disease modelling has been publicly released and too much is on a 'trust me' base.

“Well I don't trust you Daniel Andrews, I don't trust your ministers and I am fast not trusting your experts either given they the same experts that have been advising you all the way along and look at the mess we're in tonight.

“From where I sit, this looks more and more like a political leader wanting to be seen to be doing something as everything else he's tried has only seen the numbers increase.”

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Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7
Reply #792 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 9:08pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 6:57pm:

I think Daniel Andrews is way out of control.

He didn’t even give an extra week for a chance for the compulsory masks to work.
In any case – in years from now I honestly believe that all
these lockdowns will be considered futile attempts to stop an airborne virus.
It cannot be stopped.

it is going to be REALLY tough.

It's getting worse.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6177606898001

Daniel Andrews only ‘wants to be seen’ to be doing something
03/08/2020|7min

Sky News host Peta Credlin says given Victorians will be forced to live under something approaching house arrest for the next six weeks or more, then they are entitled to more transparency from their government.

“All along, Victorians have accepted that drastic measures might be needed to protect us from this disease, which, we know, puts vulnerable people are serious risk,” Ms Credlin said.

“We get that. And from the start, back in March, Victoria had the toughest and longest initial shutdowns.

“But clearly, none of that worked.”

It comes as Premier Daniel Andrews conceded it will take years for the Victoria's economy to recover from the pandemic, as the state government orders all "non-essential" businesses to shut down for a six-week period.

Premier Andrews said the new restrictions will mean an additional 250,000 Victorians being stood down from their jobs.

“When, other than in cities under martial law or enemy occupation, do you have a general curfew? Well, we do in Melbourne,” Ms Credlin said.

“To date, very little disease modelling has been publicly released and too much is on a 'trust me' base.

“Well I don't trust you Daniel Andrews, I don't trust your ministers and I am fast not trusting your experts either given they the same experts that have been advising you all the way along and look at the mess we're in tonight.

“From where I sit, this looks more and more like a political leader wanting to be seen to be doing something as everything else he's tried has only seen the numbers increase.”

An excellent statement by Ms Credlin, a perspective worthy of much consideration.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107272 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Melbourne back in 6 week lockdown July 7 Reply #793 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 9:19pm Johnnie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 9:08pm: An excellent statement by Ms Credlin, a perspective worthy of much consideration. Meanwhile the other States must be worried? Where will they be in 1 month?
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Reply #794 - Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 9:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 9:19pm:

Johnnie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 9:08pm:

An excellent statement by Ms Credlin, a perspective worthy of much consideration.

Meanwhile the other States must be worried?

Where will they be in 1 month?

We are one country except for Tasmania, my bet is we will all be in the same boat before long, NSW is teetering right now.

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