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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101786 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Racial and cultural diversity-bad for any country Reply #15 - Aug 6^th, 2020 at 8:25pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 8:03pm: Multiculturalism - Fawlty Towers. Longer version here:
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Re: Racial and cultural diversity-bad for any country
Reply #16 - Aug 6^th, 2020 at 10:32pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 6:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 1:04pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352

And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.

Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.

Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.

Assimilate or die is much closer to the truth. What happened to the druids and Celtic culture? What happened to the Jews? Where are the Etruscans? What happened to the Greeks and their culture of democracy? What happened to the Dacians? Sure you could hold a little bit of the old culture but you had to bow to Rome and it's culture or be annihilated.

We are Rome, you will be assimilated, resistance is futile.

It was more like - accept Roman rule or die. Those who were of a different culture but accepted Roman rule were tolerated, but if they rose up against the state, then they were put down.

Sure it was accept Roman rule or die but if Rome accepted other cultures as well as you imagine, then there would still be Celtic cultures and religion in most of Europe or at least a memory of them. They'd pretty much disappeared from history. What do you know about the Dacians?

The problem is you are equating assimilating multiple people in their own countries as the same thing as multiculturalism as practiced today in western countries and they just aren't the same thing. What would Rome have done to the marchers of Islam that said behead the those who insult Islam/the prophet, etc? The BLM protesters with signs saying defund the Legions, burning and looting?

You know as well as I they would have ended up in the arena or on crosses. Other cultures were not respected, they were tolerated if they kept their heads down. You cannot use the Roman empire as an example of multiculturalism working an transpose that onto the modern world.

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Reply #17 - Aug 7^th, 2020 at 5:39pm

Frank wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 7:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352

And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.

Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.

Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.

As long as they did not make ANY claim on politics, governance, law.

The Senate was not diverse. the tribunals were not diverse.

They let you be but kept you in your place. There was no 'diversity' claim to Roman power. And when there was, Rome collapsed.

There were Roman Emperors who were non-Roman. Septimus Severus was one example - he was of African descent. The Romans had an African emperor almost 2000 years before the Americans had their first black President.

It's almost laughable, isn't it? Grin

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Reply #18 - Aug 7^th, 2020 at 5:44pm

Setanta wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 10:32pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 6:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 1:04pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352

And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.

Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.

Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.

Assimilate or die is much closer to the truth. What happened to the druids and Celtic culture? What happened to the Jews? Where are the Etruscans? What happened to the Greeks and their culture of democracy? What happened to the Dacians? Sure you could hold a little bit of the old culture but you had to bow to Rome and it's culture or be annihilated.

We are Rome, you will be assimilated, resistance is futile.

It was more like - accept Roman rule or die. Those who were of a different culture but accepted Roman rule were tolerated, but if they rose up against the state, then they were put down.

Sure it was accept Roman rule or die but if Rome accepted other cultures as well as you imagine, then there would still be Celtic cultures and religion in most of Europe or at least a memory of them. They'd pretty much disappeared from history. What do you know about the Dacians?

The problem is you are equating assimilating multiple people in their own countries as the same thing as multiculturalism as practiced today in western countries and they just aren't the same thing. What would Rome have done to the marchers of Islam that said behead the those who insult Islam/the prophet, etc? The BLM protesters with signs saying defund the Legions, burning and looting?

You know as well as I they would have ended up in the arena or on crosses. Other cultures were not respected, they were tolerated if they kept their heads down. You cannot use the Roman empire as an example of multiculturalism working an transpose that onto the modern world.

And you think that every non-Roman person throughout the empire was either killed or assimilated? Not even Rome controlled the actions of every citizen and every community throughout the empire.

Sure, some communities were almost wiped out - most so because they resisted Roman rule or got the bad end of gladius from zealous Roman soldiers and commanders.

The fact is that Rome controlled hundreds of territories with hundreds of different cultures for a sustained period of 200 years at least. There were non-Roman emperors and generals.

Rome was multi-cultural even more than the current state of these in the modern world. Rome didn't have the internet or fast transportation. If anything we are less multicultural now than the Romans were.

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Reply #19 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 7:13pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 7:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352

And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.

Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.

Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.

As long as they did not make ANY claim on politics, governance, law.

The Senate was not diverse. the tribunals were not diverse.

They let you be but kept you in your place. There was no 'diversity' claim to Roman power. And when there was, Rome collapsed.

There were Roman Emperors who were non-Roman. Septimus Severus was one example - he was of African descent. The Romans had an African emperor almost 2000 years before the Americans had their first black President.

It's almost laughable, isn't it? Grin

You are laughable.

'African' did not mean the same thing 2000 years ago as it does now. Only an idiot like you would think that drawing a parallel is a valid point.

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Re: Racial and cultural diversity-bad for any country
Reply #20 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 8:22pm

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 7:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352

And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.

Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.

Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.

As long as they did not make ANY claim on politics, governance, law.

The Senate was not diverse. the tribunals were not diverse.

They let you be but kept you in your place. There was no 'diversity' claim to Roman power. And when there was, Rome collapsed.

There were Roman Emperors who were non-Roman. Septimus Severus was one example - he was of African descent. The Romans had an African emperor almost 2000 years before the Americans had their first black President.

It's almost laughable, isn't it? Grin

You are laughable.

'African' did not mean the same thing 2000 years ago as it does now. Only an idiot like you would think that drawing a parallel is a valid point.

Love,
Scipio Africanus.

He's right to a degree, Rome didn't give a stuff about regional cultures. It was multicultural but only in the sense they didn't care as long as you toed the line of Rome. Any cultural practice that was considered anti-Roman was killed off. Others were assimilated, Romanised. Rome had no care about culture at all except it's own. They did not expound the virtues of other cultures, except perhaps the Greeks. Any of those Auggie is mentioning from other regions embraced Roman culture, that's how they became what they were. One thing Romans didn't care about and would probably be an anathema to them is race.

This is nothing like what people in the modern world want to make from it. The Romans were brutal. The stuff we see in modern western democracies would have been dealt with harshly. BLM and behead those who insult he prophet would have ended up in the arena or on crosses.

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Setanta Gold Member Online \/ Peace man! Posts: 16380 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Racial and cultural diversity-bad for any country Reply #21 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 11:07pm In 376 the Romans did not welcome the cultural enrichment of the Goths. In fact they traded dog meat for their children.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101786 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Racial and cultural diversity-bad for any country Reply #22 - Aug 8^th, 2020 at 11:08pm Setanta wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 11:07pm: In 376 the Romans did not welcome the cultural enrichment of the Goths. In fact they traded dog meat for their children. Bad eggs they were - the lot of them.
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Reply #23 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 7:24pm

Frank wrote on Aug 8^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 7:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352

And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.

Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.

Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.

As long as they did not make ANY claim on politics, governance, law.

The Senate was not diverse. the tribunals were not diverse.

They let you be but kept you in your place. There was no 'diversity' claim to Roman power. And when there was, Rome collapsed.

There were Roman Emperors who were non-Roman. Septimus Severus was one example - he was of African descent. The Romans had an African emperor almost 2000 years before the Americans had their first black President.

It's almost laughable, isn't it? Grin

You are laughable.

'African' did not mean the same thing 2000 years ago as it does now. Only an idiot like you would think that drawing a parallel is a valid point.

Love,
Scipio Africanus.

Septimus Severus was born in Libya and was of Libyan heritage.

Last I checked - Libya is in Africa.

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Re: Racial and cultural diversity-bad for any country
Reply #24 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 7:49pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 7:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352

And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.

Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.

Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.

As long as they did not make ANY claim on politics, governance, law.

The Senate was not diverse. the tribunals were not diverse.

They let you be but kept you in your place. There was no 'diversity' claim to Roman power. And when there was, Rome collapsed.

There were Roman Emperors who were non-Roman. Septimus Severus was one example - he was of African descent. The Romans had an African emperor almost 2000 years before the Americans had their first black President.

It's almost laughable, isn't it? Grin

What's laughable is you thinking it could be any different. They are not exactly contemporaneous entities are they?

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Reply #25 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 8:23pm

Setanta wrote on Aug 10^th, 2020 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 7:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352

And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.

Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.

Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.

As long as they did not make ANY claim on politics, governance, law.

The Senate was not diverse. the tribunals were not diverse.

They let you be but kept you in your place. There was no 'diversity' claim to Roman power. And when there was, Rome collapsed.

There were Roman Emperors who were non-Roman. Septimus Severus was one example - he was of African descent. The Romans had an African emperor almost 2000 years before the Americans had their first black President.

It's almost laughable, isn't it? Grin

What's laughable is you thinking it could be any different. They are not exactly contemporaneous entities are they?

Last I checked - Libya was in Africa.

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Re: Racial and cultural diversity-bad for any country
Reply #26 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 8:29pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2020 at 8:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 10^th, 2020 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 7:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352

And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.

Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.

Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.

As long as they did not make ANY claim on politics, governance, law.

The Senate was not diverse. the tribunals were not diverse.

They let you be but kept you in your place. There was no 'diversity' claim to Roman power. And when there was, Rome collapsed.

There were Roman Emperors who were non-Roman. Septimus Severus was one example - he was of African descent. The Romans had an African emperor almost 2000 years before the Americans had their first black President.

It's almost laughable, isn't it? Grin

What's laughable is you thinking it could be any different. They are not exactly contemporaneous entities are they?

Last I checked - Libya was in Africa.

Umm, so?

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The Romans had an African emperor almost 2000 years before the Americans had their first black President.

It's almost laughable, isn't it?

What's laughable is you thinking it could be any different. They are not exactly contemporaneous entities are they?

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Reply #27 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 10:01pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2020 at 8:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 10^th, 2020 at 7:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 7:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 8:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2020 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

The only proper way to respond to cultural enrichers. The Roman way.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1288760391305060352

And you know that Rome was one of the most diverse empires in classical antiquity - they granted citizenship to foreign nationalities and even had emperors and generals who weren't 'roman'.

The Achaemenid Empire was also very diverse and practised freedom of religion.

Not culture wise they weren't. They accepted others into their culture but were not too nice to those that didn't toe their line. If Islamists behaved in the Empire like they do in the west there would have been crucifixes lining the roads.

Absolutely they were. There were a myriad of cultures within the empire and they were quite tolerant of that diversity.

As long as they did not make ANY claim on politics, governance, law.

The Senate was not diverse. the tribunals were not diverse.

They let you be but kept you in your place. There was no 'diversity' claim to Roman power. And when there was, Rome collapsed.

There were Roman Emperors who were non-Roman. Septimus Severus was one example - he was of African descent. The Romans had an African emperor almost 2000 years before the Americans had their first black President.

It's almost laughable, isn't it? Grin

What's laughable is you thinking it could be any different. They are not exactly contemporaneous entities are they?

Last I checked - Libya was in Africa.

George Orwell, Kipling were Indians, then.

Spetimus Severus was of Roman equestrian descent but happened to be born in Africa. The former had everything to do with his rise, the latter, nothing.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 40625	Re: Racial and cultural diversity-bad for any country Reply #28 - Aug 10^th, 2020 at 10:41pm I think you mean Eric Arthur Blair, Soren. There was no one called "George Orwell". Tsk, tsk.
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Reply #29 - Aug 11^th, 2020 at 1:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2020 at 10:41pm:

I think you mean Eric Arthur Blair, Soren. There was no one called "George Orwell". Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Thank you, Edward Casaubon. Your challenge is to locate any book published under the name Eric Arthur Blair. It would make you very rich if you could find one.

C: No, no, Dickens wrote 'David Copperfield' with *two* Ps. This is 'David Coperfield' with *one* P by Edmund Wells.

P: 'David Coperfield' with one P?

C: Yes, I should have said.

P: Yes, well in that case we don't have it.

C: (peering over counter) Funny, you've got a lot of books here....

P: (slightly perturbed) Yes, we do, but we don't have 'David Coperfield' with one P by Edmund Wells.

C: Pity, it's more thorough than the Dickens.

P: More THOROUGH?!?

C: Yes...I wonder if it might be worth a look through all your 'David Copper- field's...

P: No, sir, all our 'David Copperfield's have two P's.

C: Are you quite sure?

P: Quite.

C: Not worth just looking?

P: Definitely not.

C: Oh...how 'bout 'Grate Expectations'?

P: Yes, well we have that....

C: That's 'G-R-A-T-E Expectations', also by Edmund Wells.

P: (pause) Yes, well in that case we don't have it. We don't have anything by Edmund Wells, actually: he's not very popular.

C: Not 'Knickerless Knickleby'? That's K-N-I-C-K-E-R-L-E-S-S.

P: (taciturn) No.

C: 'Khristmas Karol' with a K?

P: (really quite perturbed) No....

C: Er, how about 'A Sale of Two Titties'?

P: DEFINITELY NOT.

C: (moving towards door) Sorry to trouble you....

P: Not at all....

C: Good morning.

P: Good morning.

C: (turning around) Oh!

P: (deep breath) Yesss?

C: I wonder if you might have a copy of 'Rarnaby Budge'?

P: No, as I say, we're right out of Edmund Wells!

C: No, not Edmund Wells - Charles Dikkens.

P: (pause - eagerly) Charles Dickens??

C: Yes.

P: (excitedly) You mean 'Barnaby Rudge'!

C: No, 'Rarnaby Budge' by Charles Dikkens. That's Dikkens with two Ks, the well-known Dutch author.

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