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Reply #15 - Jul 18th, 2020 at 12:40pm
 
It was not indigenous Australians who destroyed thousands of Aboriginal jobs in country areas by suddenly raising the wages of cattle station labour in 1965; it was the Commonwealth Conciliation and Arbitration Commission.  Nor was it indigenous Australians who decided, just as the commission’s judgment was having its devastating effects, to massively subsidise remote Aboriginal settlements, condemning generation after generation to inadequate housing, an education scarcely worth having and a future shorn of jobs and hope; it was the Whitlam and Fraser governments.   And it was not indigenous Australians who removed the prohibitions on the consumption of alcohol by, and the sale of alcohol to, Aboriginal people that had been in force throughout Australia since 1929.

It was state and territory governments that, in keeping with the 1960s zeitgeist of self-determination, repealed those controls and decriminalised public drunkenness, plunging fraying Aboriginal communities into a spiral of alcohol-fuelled violence and helping to ensure that indigenous offenders are nearly three times more likely than non-indigenous offenders to be intoxicated when they commit their crimes.  The result, as one Aboriginal community after the other succumbed to the epidemic of substance abuse, was that indigenous incarceration rates, which had been falling since World War I, began to soar.

Far from slowing that rise, the explosive growth in welfare outlays that followed the onset of the crisis perpetuated the pathologies by allowing dysfunctional communities to survive. And instead of frankly confronting the root causes, successive governments relied on grandiose statements of good intentions and on torrents of cash in an increasingly futile attempt to paper over the cracks.
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It is clear that much-touted nostrums, such as diverting juvenile offenders from the court system, have been tried and largely found to fail, with most studies concluding that they do not decrease the risk of reconviction, the time to reconviction, the seriousness of further offending or the number of reconvictions.  And it is equally clear that while those approaches are not a viable solution, imprisonment does reduce the extent and incidence of serious offending, as well as shielding, at least for a time, the victims of violence from their tormentors.  That hardly implies we should simply accept the dreadful costs mass incarceration imposes on indigenous Australians and on the moral fabric of the nation.

What it does mean, however, is that we face an alternative. We can salve our conscience by retaining the unstated premise that has led to the current calamity: that indigenous Australians are essentially a separate race, who should be funded to live at enormous expense in places where there are no viable jobs, where supplying basic services is prohibitively costly and where alcohol and drugs are the only antidote to squalor, boredom and despair.  If that is our choice, today’s pathologies, and the mass incarceration that is their symptom, will persist for decades to come.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/if-separatism-is-such-misery-do-we-t...
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Reply #16 - Jul 18th, 2020 at 4:27pm
 
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Paternalism writ large.   I wonder how you'd react to the Government making all decisions for you, Soren?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #17 - Jul 18th, 2020 at 6:07pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2020 at 4:27pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

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Paternalism writ large.   I wonder how you'd react to the Government making all decisions for you, Soren?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You continue to be a complete ass.
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Reply #18 - Jul 18th, 2020 at 7:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2020 at 4:27pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Paternalism writ large.   I wonder how you'd react to the Government making all decisions for you, Soren?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You misunderstand it completely, Bwian, as you always misunderstand everything.

The rot set in when the government started treating them as a some sort of endangered species rather than who they actually are.

Read it slowly and try to comprehend it. (I am crediting you with an ability I don't think you have but fair go is what we all like around here. So DO try) See how you go.


(the author is the editor and publisher of The New Criterion, the successor/revival of the magazine once edited by T.S Eliot, a name that obviously wouldn't mean anything to you)




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Reply #19 - Jul 18th, 2020 at 11:25pm
 
You really are a card, Soren.  Always look overseas for criticism of Australian society simply because you disagree with a decision made by a democratically elected government of this country.   When you have figured out what democracy actually means, get back to us, OK?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Then you might try answering the questions asked of you.  You keep missing the ones I ask.  Shame really, 'cause I'd like to expose you for the hypocrite you are.  Which is of course why you don't answer them, right?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #20 - Jul 19th, 2020 at 4:45pm
 
Far from slowing that rise, the explosive growth in welfare outlays that followed the onset of the crisis perpetuated the pathologies by allowing dysfunctional communities to survive. And instead of frankly confronting the root causes, successive governments relied on grandiose statements of good intentions and on torrents of cash in an increasingly futile attempt to paper over the cracks.



(Correction- the article I linked to in this thread was by the Australian author Henry Ergas. The link to the New Criterion article is in the HK thread)
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Reply #21 - Jul 19th, 2020 at 6:39pm
 
You really are a card, Soren.  Always look overseas for criticism of Australian society simply because you disagree with a decision made by a democratically elected government of this country.   When you have figured out what democracy actually means, get back to us, OK?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Then you might try answering the questions asked of you.  You keep missing the ones I ask.  Shame really, 'cause I'd like to expose you for the hypocrite you are.  Which is of course why you don't answer them, right?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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Re: The Bruce Pascoes are not addressing the real prob
Reply #22 - Jul 19th, 2020 at 7:41pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2020 at 6:39pm:
You really are a card, Soren.  Always look overseas for criticism of Australian society simply because you disagree with a decision made by a democratically elected government of this country.   When you have figured out what democracy actually means, get back to us, OK?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Then you might try answering the questions asked of you.  You keep missing the ones I ask.  Shame really, 'cause I'd like to expose you for the hypocrite you are.  Which is of course why you don't answer them, right?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


Me: "lovely weather we are having today"

Bwian: " You really are a card, Soren.  Always look overseas for criticism of Australian society simply because you disagree with a decision made by a democratically elected government of this country.   When you have figured out what democracy actually means, get back to us, OK?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Then you might try answering the questions asked of you.  You keep missing the ones I ask.  Shame really, 'cause I'd like to expose you for the hypocrite you are.  Which is of course why you don't answer them, right?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes




House of Bwian:

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Reply #23 - Jul 19th, 2020 at 9:49pm
 
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Another failure to answer the questions.  Tsk, tsk.  No wonder you're a trick-cyclist than have a real profession, Soren.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #24 - Jul 20th, 2020 at 5:39am
 
Most families have one.

That problem child that throws tantrums when theydont get what they demand.

The ones that are always demanding, always wanting, always greedy.

The problem child that grows up to be a problem adult that never gets a job, lives off the rest of the family and gets in trouble with the law.

Why are they like this?

Because the parents gave them everything and never instilled any sense of self worth or ownership.

Being given everything by simply demanding it, made them totally absent from EARNING respect or value.

We have done this with the abbo.

Give, give, give,

They simply take and without true reward for doing anything, they get this once an idea that they are previlidged, just for being.


The only cure for these parasites is to deny them the fit, cut them off, make them actually work for what they want.

Success through effort, will strengthen their self esteem and improve their lazy culture.

To do anything else is denying them the right to be contributing, worthwhile people.
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Reply #25 - Jul 20th, 2020 at 7:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2020 at 9:49pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Another failure to answer the questions.  Tsk, tsk.  No wonder you're a trick-cyclist than have a real profession, Soren.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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'not answering my question' is your spineless, lying, ridiculously childish way of trying to squirm out when you are pinned down as a fool.  You have no questions because you have no coherent ideas that would need illuminating by questions answered.


If you had coherent, well-thought out ideas you would simply state them. Instead you get all tut tutting, yawning and mysterious trying to cover up how pathetic and bereft of ideas you actually are.

We see you, Bwian, and it's comical.
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Reply #26 - Jul 20th, 2020 at 10:48pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 20th, 2020 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2020 at 9:49pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Another failure to answer the questions.  Tsk, tsk.  No wonder you're a trick-cyclist than have a real profession, Soren.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


'not answering my question' is your spineless, lying, ridiculously childish way of trying to squirm out when you are pinned down as a fool.  You have no questions because you have no coherent ideas that would need illuminating by questions answered.

If you had coherent, well-thought out ideas you would simply state them. Instead you get all tut tutting, yawning and mysterious trying to cover up how pathetic and bereft of ideas you actually are.

We see you, Bwian, and it's comical.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I think I asked a question, Soren.  One that was too difficult for you to answer.  Your supposedly superior intellect balked at the idea of answering a simple question.  Tsk, tsk, I wonder why I bother asking questions 'cause like all supposedly superior ijiots you don't answer them.  Superior culture, innit it, what you acquired from that University of Baloney that you once attended, hey?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The Bruce Pascoes are not addressing the real prob
Reply #27 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 10:11am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2020 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2020 at 4:27pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Paternalism writ large.   I wonder how you'd react to the Government making all decisions for you, Soren?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You misunderstand it completely, Bwian, as you always misunderstand everything.

The rot set in when the government started treating them as a some sort of endangered species rather than who they actually are.

Read it slowly and try to comprehend it. (I am crediting you with an ability I don't think you have but fair go is what we all like around here. So DO try) See how you go.


(the author is the editor and publisher of The New Criterion, the successor/revival of the magazine once edited by T.S Eliot, a name that obviously wouldn't mean anything to you)







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Re: The Bruce Pascoes are not addressing the real prob
Reply #28 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 6:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2020 at 4:27pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Paternalism writ large.   I wonder how you'd react to the Government making all decisions for you, Soren?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I wouldn't let it. Not even for sit down money.

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Reply #29 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 7:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2020 at 10:48pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 20th, 2020 at 7:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2020 at 9:49pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Another failure to answer the questions.  Tsk, tsk.  No wonder you're a trick-cyclist than have a real profession, Soren.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


'not answering my question' is your spineless, lying, ridiculously childish way of trying to squirm out when you are pinned down as a fool.  You have no questions because you have no coherent ideas that would need illuminating by questions answered.

If you had coherent, well-thought out ideas you would simply state them. Instead you get all tut tutting, yawning and mysterious trying to cover up how pathetic and bereft of ideas you actually are.

We see you, Bwian, and it's comical.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I think I asked a question, Soren.  One that was too difficult for you to answer.  Your supposedly superior intellect balked at the idea of answering a simple question.  Tsk, tsk, I wonder why I bother asking questions 'cause like all supposedly superior ijiots you don't answer them.  Superior culture, innit it, what you acquired from that University of Baloney that you once attended, hey?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Answered.

See? All you had to do was to say what your question was and it got answered.

And it's the University of Bologna. And yes, I attended one semester as a study abroad in the 90s.
Founded in 1088, it is the oldest university in the world.

And yes, it is infinitely superior to your mail-order phoney doctorate which has taken you to the dizzying intellectual heights of yawning and inane tut-tutting when anyone asks you what day it is.



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