https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/hitech/hyundai-announces-...


There must be no future in electric cars

Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 11^th, 2020 at 10:54am:



True, but increase supply price comes down.

Guess thats why they are increasing.

"There aren’t enough batteries to electrify all cars — focus on trucks and buses instead"

"Electric vehicles still produce air pollution and greenhouse gases from their brakes, tires, the electricity that powers them and the factories that build them. Even if we can address (or ignore) these problems, there is a much larger stumbling block facing personal electric vehicles as a solution for climate change.

In 2019, the world produced about 160 gigawatt hours (GWh) of lithium-ion batteries. That’s enough for a little more than three million standard-range Tesla Model 3s — and only if we use those batteries for cars, and don’t build any smart-phones, laptops or grid storage facilities.

The battery production capacity currently under construction will allow the production of the equivalent of 40 million electric vehicles annually by 2028, according to one estimate. "

"That sounds like a lot until you see that the world produced nearly 100 million cars, vans, buses and trucks in 2019 alone. There are around 1.4 billion motor vehicles in the world today — a number that will almost certainly continue to increase if we don’t take major steps to shift transportation onto other modes.

Even at the projected 2028 level of battery production capacity, it would take us 35 years to replace this global vehicle fleet with electric models. That’s not nearly fast enough to avoid the worst consequences of climate change."

"Lithium-ion batteries should therefore go primarily to vehicles intended for long distances or large cargo loads. Garbage trucks, buses, pickup trucks used by skilled tradespeople to get to job sites and the van that delivers your Amazon purchases are all prime candidates for electrification.

That Nissan Leaf you’ve been eyeing, unfortunately is not. You can probably travel on a bicycle or a city bus much more easily than a truckload of power tools, parcels or municipal waste can. "

https://theconversation.com/there-arent-enough-batteries-to-electrify-all-cars-f...

So rare earths won't get more common. That means that the buyers of those rare earths will compete one against the other for supply. That will force those prices up.

Of course in  the brave new world of renewables anything is possible. Even smelting ores using unicorns.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 11^th, 2020 at 12:47pm:


So the carbon nanotubes are linked to lithium batteries. It doubles the density, it uses the same amount of lithium.

So the output lasts longer meaning longer distances but not a saving of rare earths.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 11^th, 2020 at 2:57pm:



Poor petal. All you have to show is I am wrong. It can't be that hard can it?

So tell us why the herd is better petal.

BTW - you never got back to me about the "one BS HCQ study".

The loony lulu Tesla Fan Girl is sillier than ever. Wonder what she uses for a brain ? Or is there just vacant space between those floppy ears ?

Large diesel trucks moving containers in city areas are a major source of diesel pollution.

So these vehicles will be a top priority for replacement with hydrogen power which can readily produce 600HP and more if required. Hydrogen trucks are already being trialed in California where pollution is a real problem.

A longer term and more difficult target is planes which produce large amounts of pollution.

Trains are already running on pollution free hydrogen overseas. Ships are being trialed.

A very attractive target for hydrogen is storing the surplus energy from the otherwise useless renewable rubbish as the only limit is the size of the hydrogen container tanks.

Energy export of hydrogen as ammonia to Japan is already being set up in the Victorian brown coal fields.


So the dead end dud unsafe electric liabilities will become obsolete just like they did back in the 1800's.