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Reply #15 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 7:05am

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 3:01am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 6:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 8^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

I had the idea 20 years ago that smoking would become so unpopular that only 5% of the Australian population would still be smokers. I also formulated the opinion that the cost of smokes with tax being the majority of the cost would make smoking so unviable that people would just quit.

Making drugs legal would largely ensure that drug dealers would go out of business. But, overdoses will escalate. The police would not have to deal with break and enters. They would be redirected towards more numerous car crashes.

It was a real laugh when I heard about the proposed shooting galleries staffed with a nurse. The whole "they are going to do it anyway" concession is just weak-willed policies against people who are too weak to live life without excessive pain killers.

Portugal found the rates of overdoses reduced after legalising drugs

I heard different. There may well have been a relaxing of numbers in the long term. But the short term was an initial spike in overdoses with the upturn of users using more.

Monk turned me onto an excellent interiview that explains all of that. I hope he won't mond mebeating him to the punch but here it is:

https://www.npr.org/2011/01/20/133086356/Mixed-Results-For-Portugals-Great-Drug-...

While it seems fatalities form drug use increased, problematic behaviour associated with drug use decreased overall.

I consider this would be sorted by the government overseeing drug quality.

For example, get rid of the backyard operatives cooking in sinks in filth and ensure heroin stays at a consistent purity. Contrary to popular belief, it's not usually bad smack that kills, it's stuff that is expectantly purer than accounted for in dosing. But in this country, unlike Portugal where smack is huge, party drugs and meth are more our problems.

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Reply #16 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 7:37am

Super Nova wrote on Sep 8^th, 2020 at 7:07pm:

ALL drugs should decriminalised

I agree for users but not dealers of class A

Make them available through legitimate government approved outlets, tax them and fund rehab.

so create a bigger problem but at least try and fix it all at the same time..

mmmmmmmmmm...

r.u.happy with the way the govts runs our ---- lets say MENTAL HEALTH problems??...what about

Hospitals?

what about our GST tax money...

now we are told our superfunds are being creamed by the top guns..

Quote:

Not-for-profit industry superannuation funds dominate the top of the super tree, and several of their CEOs and chief investment officers are pocketing $1 million-plus salaries, while the funds donate millions of dollars to unions.

The funds’ latest annual reports show the highest-earning super CEO for 2018-19 was HostPlus’s David Elia, who was paid $1.19 million, while AustralianSuper boss Ian Silk earned $1.06 million and QSuper CEO Michael Pennisi was paid $1.02 million.

most on over a million.......

there is no such thing as an efficiently run govt dept....

at best it would be Keystone Cops..

lets not forget all these little van running around just to get these drugs delivered to their selling points...

just a thought sprint how about a Mr Whippy type van..

sorry but I can see so many potholes...

let me know when we get the Mental Health dept running as it should

plus Aged Care another horror.

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Reply #17 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 8:00am

We can use the lessons learned in Portugal (and in Holland) to ensure no/minimal overdoses.

Yes, some may use more—it is cleaner drug, known strength and no doubt cheaper than buying a drug from a criminal!

Maybe the drugs can only be ingested/injected in a shooting gallery?

I better post stuff on Portuguese and Dutch expoeriences soon, eh? Was hoping to leave that to next week, oh well.

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Reply #18 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 8:09am

fter massively reforming its drug policy at the turn of the century, Portugal stands as a global leader of evidence-based policy grounded on the principle of harm reduction. The situation seems to be working, with more people in treatment and fewer new cases of HIV. But the key to this policy was not legalisation of drugs. Mythbusters investigates Portugal’s nuanced approach to drug policy.

The short answer is no, drugs are not legal in Portugal. The probable reasons for the myth that they are comes down to a misunderstanding of legal principles, especially the difference between legalising and decriminalising and the very innovative way Portugal has changed its drug policy.

https://www.drugfoundation.org.nz/matters-of-substance/may-2013/drugs-are-legal-...

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 48027 Gender:	Re: ALL drugs should be decriminalised Reply #19 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 8:18am Probably why this topic is about decriminalising drugs, eh cods?
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49958 Gender:	Re: ALL drugs should be decriminalised Reply #20 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 8:22am There's money to be made in looking after Drug Addicts. Exploit and cash in.
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Reply #21 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 9:24am

Jasin wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 8:22am:

There's money to be made in looking after Drug Addicts.
Exploit and cash in.
Wink

as the article points out..
a lot of people get the two confused......

you for instance sound as if this is a solution to people doing the wrong thing.......filling their bodies with poison...

.how many drug addicts have you dealt with in your life??? mean real drug addicts...not Saturday all nighters.

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Reply #22 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 12:08pm

Terrified and having a cannabis-induced psychotic episode, Grace Herington didn’t want to die when she slipped out of a police officer’s arms and plunged 10 metres off a Sydney highway to her death.

The 23-year-old former dux of Grafton’s Clarence Valley Anglican School was a star student and had moved to the city to study history at the University of Sydney, training hard in martial arts and sticking clear of drugs and alcohol like a “beautiful country girl”.

But Sydney “ate her up and spat her out” according to her heartbroken mother.

Ms Herington’s mental health began to spiral after using cannabis. In the early hours of December 19, 2018 her brother Kenneth woke in their Hunters Hill apartment to find her hallucinating with books and diaries around her.

Lidcombe Coroners Court heard Mr Herington called paramedics before his sister climbed out her bedroom window and began running towards an off ramp from Burns Bay Rd.

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Gordon Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20832 Gordon Gender:	Re: ALL drugs should be decriminalised Reply #23 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 12:40pm Drugs: one world that covers everything from bush weed to fentanyl. Some are safe, many not. Saying drugs ALL drugs should be legal is the thinking of either a child, a simplton or someone who can't walk past a shop without drinking the hand sanitiser out the front.
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Reply #24 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 1:59pm

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 9:24am:

Jasin wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 8:22am:

There's money to be made in looking after Drug Addicts.
Exploit and cash in.
Wink

as the article points out..
a lot of people get the two confused......

you for instance sound as if this is a solution to people doing the wrong thing.......filling their bodies with poison...

.how many drug addicts have you dealt with in your life??? mean real drug addicts...not Saturday all nighters.

Yeah sure.

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Reply #25 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 4:21pm

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 12:40pm:

Drugs: one world that covers everything from bush weed to fentanyl.

Some are safe, many not.

Saying drugs ALL drugs should be legal is the thinking of either a child, a simplton or someone who can't walk past a shop without drinking the hand sanitiser out the front.

Which one are you then? Gay, a child, a simpleton or an alcoholic or some combination, Gordon?

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Reply #26 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 4:49pm

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 12:40pm:

Drugs: one world that covers everything from bush weed to fentanyl.

Some are safe, many not.

Saying drugs ALL drugs should be legal is the thinking of either a child, a simplton or someone who can't walk past a shop without drinking the hand sanitiser out the front.

Mmmm ..... .hand sanitiser.

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Re: ALL drugs should decriminalised
Reply #27 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 4:52pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 3:01am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 6:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 8^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

I had the idea 20 years ago that smoking would become so unpopular that only 5% of the Australian population would still be smokers. I also formulated the opinion that the cost of smokes with tax being the majority of the cost would make smoking so unviable that people would just quit.

Making drugs legal would largely ensure that drug dealers would go out of business. But, overdoses will escalate. The police would not have to deal with break and enters. They would be redirected towards more numerous car crashes.

It was a real laugh when I heard about the proposed shooting galleries staffed with a nurse. The whole "they are going to do it anyway" concession is just weak-willed policies against people who are too weak to live life without excessive pain killers.

Portugal found the rates of overdoses reduced after legalising drugs

I heard different. There may well have been a relaxing of numbers in the long term. But the short term was an initial spike in overdoses with the upturn of users using more.

Not what I heard but nevertheless, It's a long term game. Making drugs illegal has failed abysmally both long and short term. We need to try something different.

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Reply #28 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 4:54pm

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 12:08pm:

Terrified and having a cannabis-induced psychotic episode, Grace Herington didn’t want to die when she slipped out of a police officer’s arms and plunged 10 metres off a Sydney highway to her death.

The 23-year-old former dux of Grafton’s Clarence Valley Anglican School was a star student and had moved to the city to study history at the University of Sydney, training hard in martial arts and sticking clear of drugs and alcohol like a “beautiful country girl”.

But Sydney “ate her up and spat her out” according to her heartbroken mother.

Ms Herington’s mental health began to spiral after using cannabis. In the early hours of December 19, 2018 her brother Kenneth woke in their Hunters Hill apartment to find her hallucinating with books and diaries around her.

Lidcombe Coroners Court heard Mr Herington called paramedics before his sister climbed out her bedroom window and began running towards an off ramp from Burns Bay Rd.

All that happened whilst drugs were illegal cods .... your point?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 48027 Gender:	Re: ALL drugs should be decriminalised Reply #29 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:00pm What is the odds Grace was using drugs at Grafton’s Clarence Valley Anglican School? That how she stayed on top of schoolwork and being popular?
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