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Reply #30 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:00pm

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 12:08pm:

Terrified and having a cannabis-induced psychotic episode, Grace Herington didn’t want to die when she slipped out of a police officer’s arms and plunged 10 metres off a Sydney highway to her death.

The 23-year-old former dux of Grafton’s Clarence Valley Anglican School was a star student and had moved to the city to study history at the University of Sydney, training hard in martial arts and sticking clear of drugs and alcohol like a “beautiful country girl”.

But Sydney “ate her up and spat her out” according to her heartbroken mother.

Ms Herington’s mental health began to spiral after using cannabis. In the early hours of December 19, 2018 her brother Kenneth woke in their Hunters Hill apartment to find her hallucinating with books and diaries around her.

Lidcombe Coroners Court heard Mr Herington called paramedics before his sister climbed out her bedroom window and began running towards an off ramp from Burns Bay Rd.

Apparently the usage and damage from drugs decreases when they are decriminilised.

The drugs have less of an allure and are more controllable.

What is, for example you could register to the local police shop and grow 10 pot plants in your back yard?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 48027 Gender:	Re: ALL drugs should be decriminalised Reply #31 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:02pm Exactly Sprint! If drugs are something you get from a pharmacy instead of a crim some of the allure, the adventure is gone from drug taking.
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Reply #32 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:21pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 4:54pm:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 12:08pm:

Terrified and having a cannabis-induced psychotic episode, Grace Herington didn’t want to die when she slipped out of a police officer’s arms and plunged 10 metres off a Sydney highway to her death.

The 23-year-old former dux of Grafton’s Clarence Valley Anglican School was a star student and had moved to the city to study history at the University of Sydney, training hard in martial arts and sticking clear of drugs and alcohol like a “beautiful country girl”.

But Sydney “ate her up and spat her out” according to her heartbroken mother.

Ms Herington’s mental health began to spiral after using cannabis. In the early hours of December 19, 2018 her brother Kenneth woke in their Hunters Hill apartment to find her hallucinating with books and diaries around her.

Lidcombe Coroners Court heard Mr Herington called paramedics before his sister climbed out her bedroom window and began running towards an off ramp from Burns Bay Rd.

All that happened whilst drugs were illegal cods .... your point?

just the DAMAGE they cause...as one can buy them on every street corner I have never heard of a druggie having problems finding a seller... have you?

how many real duggies have you known or had to deal with?

for that matter how many gov dept do you know of that have run without a hitch or corruption....

we are never told how many drugs disappear from hospitals.....because its impossible to keep track of....

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Reply #33 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:31pm

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 12:40pm:

Drugs: one world that covers everything from bush weed to fentanyl.

Some are safe, many not.

Saying drugs ALL drugs should be legal is the thinking of either a child, a simplton or someone who can't walk past a shop without drinking the hand sanitiser out the front.

if they are serious and intend spending the money as to make a HUGE difference I do think we are sitting ducks..... ... countries like Portugal are in the thick of the drug belt they would be batting off drug cartels left right and centre....this way think of the money the country saves ? why hasnt another large country followed suite if its such a success?...

I would suggest a real druggy would never ever get off them if this is the case. btw how many do we lose to od.?

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Reply #34 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:34pm

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:21pm:

just the DAMAGE they cause...

lots of things cause damage but are still legal cods. Sugar, Alcohol, peanuts for some etc. You'll never stop people from having bad reactions to things.

What makes dugs worse is that often drug dealers use all sorts of crap to make their drugs stretch out .... paint stripper, nail polish remover, bleach are just a few of the things I've heard have been used but essentially they'll use whatever they happen to have laying around. Taking control of the drug industry allows us to control what gets put out. Why would anyone go buy a pill from a drug dealer that he made in his shed with who knows what, when you can go to a chemist and know that what you're getting is safe?

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Reply #35 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:38pm

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:21pm:

how many real duggies have you known or had to deal with?

I have a junkie next door. He's been a junkie for over twenty years. He can't kick the habit. Half his arm looks like it has rotted off from shooting up so much (looks like something bit a chunk out of his forearm) but still he can't quit. Otherwise he's a nice enough bloke. I feel sorry for his mum, who he still lives with even though he's in his mid 40's. She's a sweetheart. She pretends everything Ok and covers up for him but he comes and tells me everything anyway.

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Reply #36 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:48pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:38pm:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:21pm:

how many real duggies have you known or had to deal with?

I have a junkie next door. He's been a junkie for over twenty years. He can't kick the habit. Half his arm looks like it has rotted off from shooting up so much (looks like something bit a chunk out of his forearm) but still he can't quit. Otherwise he's a nice enough bloke. I feel sorry for his mum, who he still lives with even though he's in his mid 40's. She's a sweetheart. She pretends everything Ok and covers up for him but he comes and tells me everything anyway.

yes but you dont live with him...there in lies the difference....I have one coming here on Sat to do some work in my garden for me if it works out for him he has even been in jail..for holding up a shop at knife point for drugs.. he has been good but falls off the wagon here and there. hes my daughter in laws brother...who fell through the cracks at a very young age.....I have always had time for him... not sure why..but he does try and he is sorry for the pain hes caused another one who lives with just his long suffering mum....she has even come home to him tearing her settee to bits and staffing it with teatowels.when he had a bad dose...its like sitting back and watching a nightmare...

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Reply #37 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:50pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:34pm:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:21pm:

just the DAMAGE they cause...

lots of things cause damage but are still legal cods. Sugar, Alcohol, peanuts for some etc. You'll never stop people from having bad reactions to things.

What makes dugs worse is that often drug dealers use all sorts of crap to make their drugs stretch out .... paint stripper, nail polish remover, bleach are just a few of the things I've heard have been used but essentially they'll use whatever they happen to have laying around. Taking control of the drug industry allows us to control what gets put out. Why would anyone go buy a pill from a drug dealer that he made in his shed with who knows what, when you can go to a chemist and know that what you're getting is safe?

what about speeding on the road... always always over a 1000 every year killed needlessly should we legalise that as well or how about make car go no faster than 70...think of the savings there..

I dont think we have over a 1000 year in years out in overdoses do we?

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49958 Gender:	Re: ALL drugs should be decriminalised Reply #38 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 6:14pm Legalising drugs that have no beneficial effect and cause severe damage is like legalising Terrorism as aok.
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Reply #39 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 7:50pm

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:38pm:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:21pm:

how many real duggies have you known or had to deal with?

I have a junkie next door. He's been a junkie for over twenty years. He can't kick the habit. Half his arm looks like it has rotted off from shooting up so much (looks like something bit a chunk out of his forearm) but still he can't quit. Otherwise he's a nice enough bloke. I feel sorry for his mum, who he still lives with even though he's in his mid 40's. She's a sweetheart. She pretends everything Ok and covers up for him but he comes and tells me everything anyway.

yes but you dont live with him...there in lies the difference....I have one coming here on Sat to do some work in my garden for me if it works out for him he has even been in jail..for holding up a shop at knife point for drugs.. he has been good but falls off the wagon here and there. hes my daughter in laws brother...who fell through the cracks at a very young age.....I have always had time for him... not sure why..but he does try and he is sorry for the pain hes caused another one who lives with just his long suffering mum....she has even come home to him tearing her settee to bits and staffing it with teatowels.when he had a bad dose...its like sitting back and watching a nightmare...

That is scary.

I have known a few druggies.
Never a good scene.
It is very damaging.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: ALL drugs should be decriminalised Reply #40 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 9:26pm Jasin wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 6:14pm: Legalising drugs that have no beneficial effect and cause severe damage is like legalising Terrorism as aok. So alcohol then?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40784 Gender:	Re: ALL drugs should be decriminalised Reply #41 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 9:34pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 9:26pm: Jasin wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 6:14pm: Legalising drugs that have no beneficial effect and cause severe damage is like legalising Terrorism as aok. So alcohol then? cigarettes?
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: ALL drugs should be decriminalised Reply #42 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 9:36pm Agree, the problem is if we to ban any drug with no benefit and only problems then goes the VB and Winnie blues
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 48027 Gender:	Re: ALL drugs should be decriminalised Reply #43 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 11:23pm Yup, I did mention the success of the Quit programs, Plain Packaging have hugely reduced smoking rates. Higher and higher excise helped too, no doubt. We could do this because tobacco is not criminalised, is in fact legal to use.
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Reply #44 - Sep 11^th, 2020 at 7:39am

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 11:23pm:

Yup, I did mention the success of the Quit programs, Plain Packaging have hugely reduced smoking rates. Higher and higher excise helped too, no doubt.

We could do this because tobacco is not criminalised, is in fact legal to use.

Kids are still smoking cigarettes and taking drugs. The Quit program is too late, they need a Don't Start program. Wink

https://police.act.gov.au/safety-and-security/alcohol-and-drugs/drugs-and-law

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