AGW has enormous impact on plants and critters, surface and marine. It is therefore extremely relevant to this board.



I find this an extremely interesting graph for many reasons:

Despite forcings from the Milankovitch Cycle the Arctic is not getting colder—Arctic ice has been disappearing all through the satellite period 1979–. The last two melt seasons have seen massive amounts of Arctic Sea Ice melt in place or melting after being exported from the Arctic Ocean down the Framm Strait (between Greenland and the Svalbard archipelago.)

Scientists examining climate forcings find that CO2 by far has the biggest influence.

In the Arctic there is another positive feedback: albedo is decreasing.

A world completely covered with ice—which has happened twice, both times ended by CO2 from volcanic eruptions causing warming—has a high albedo. A world, or an object, that is all black has a very low albedo. High albedo surfaces reflect a lot of radiant energy away, low albedo surfaces, like exposed Arctic Ocean, absorb sunlight and are warmed by it. This sees more bottom of the ice melting in what should be the freezing season. Salty warm water is heavier than colder but fresh, not salty, water. Hence a lot of the huge amount of heat absorbed by the Arctic Ocean this NH summer is still there, until conditions change.

So no ice age major or minor is happening any time soon. Warming is what is happening, more and more heat accumulating especially in the oceans.

CO2 is accumulating in the oceans too*, making them more acidic due to the increase in H+ and HCO3+ ions. This is causing problems for small fauna in the oceans, zooplankton. Terrestrial heat dries out vegetation causing any fires started by dry lightning to burn much more fiercely, killing huge numbers of animals and destroying property and killing people.

*Some say the oceans are outgassing CO2, that heat causes the growth in CO2, not burning fossil fuels. A preposterous notion probably floated by FF interests. Oceans do lose their ability to absorb gases as they warm. But the oceans are so vast and the specific heat of water is so high that the nearly 50% increase in partial pressure of CO2 vastly outweighs the effect of the tiny temperature increase on solubility. The oceans absorb over half of the manmade CO2 absorbed by carbon sinks.

So a photon of IR (radiation in the far infrared part of the spectrum of electromagnetic radiation) is emitted from the surface. There are billions of CO2 molecules in every cubic centimetre of the atmosphere near the surface known as the lower troposphere. One of these molecules will absorb the IR photon within a few metres of the surface.

That molecule of CO2 is “excited” or has an increase in its energy level. The two oxygen atoms vibrate around the carbon atom. Within an incredibly short time the CO2 molecule collides with thousands of nitrogen and oxygen molecules, transferring its extra energy to these molecules that do not absorb IR themselves.

As we increase atmospheric CO2 we are decreasing the amount of IR reaching space which means we are decreasing the ability of the surface + lower troposphere to cool. There is no doubt about that:

Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) (manmade) is a small part of Global Warming (natural).

Trying to control natural global warming where the Earth goes through cycles of warming and cooling is more irresponsible than trying to subdue AGW.

We cannot control nature ie that natural variation of the Earths weather patterns and climate.

But what I would like you guys who believe in AGW to do, is to ask the United Nations to STOP carrying out all these weather modification programs around the world until we have the technology to asses the impacts of such programs.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 10:41am:


I don't dispute that we have warmed never have, we have been warming since the end of the of little ice age (LIA) the year 1850.

But in this time we have not been warming in accordance with manmade CO2 emissions and we never have.

Since 1850 the end of the LIA til now we have warmed 0.8°C and in accordance with empirical data (observations of nature) we are destined to warm by a further 1°C by the end of this century.

Since the year 2000 we have sent up into the atmosphere double the manmade CO2 emissions that we sent up in the preceding years to the year 2000.

Yet this doubling of manmade CO2 sent into the atmosphere after the year 2000 didn't register neither in the steady annual increase of atmospheric CO2 nor in the average global mean temperature.

The natural CO2 that has been degasing from natural sinks due to the rise in temperature from the LIA totally eclipses mans CO2 emissions as the steady rise in atmospheric CO2 shows.

And due to the logarithmic affect of atmospheric CO2 the temperature has remained stable, hence your hiatus and pulling your hair out trying to come up with an excuse.

Nearly as bad as the hot spot in the tropopause which only existing on the computer circulation models.

Now stop listening to politicized science and start listen to real world science..............

You are stealing Environment topics.

Monk - move this thread to Environment.

Well JV what better way to prove something to you other than taking it straight from the horses mouth.

Two IPCC professors admit the hiatus is real and may continue until 2020 - 2025.



https://notrickszone.com/2013/09/21/warming-gets-delayed-again-ipcc-scientist-mo...

There is nothing stating that Critters and Gardens is about pets only. There is nothing stating that the effects of nature—in this case AGW—on animals wild and domestic cannot be discussed here.

I have, apart from Iron Butterflies and one beer review, concentrated 100% on Critters and Gardens.

Cretins who talk crap about ice ages will have to start their own threads. If they can.