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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Introduction to AGW Reply #15 - Oct 29^th, 2020 at 9:04am Here is a great website. It details the history of the science of AGW. In doing that it provides a very gentle introduction to the science. Well worth reading: https://history.aip.org/climate/co2.htm
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Reply #16 - Nov 15^th, 2020 at 5:41am

The Arctic has been warm and still is. New record high November temperature set for the Svalbard archipelago:

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9.4 °C
The Arctic fox is waiting for a delayed winter. 9.4 °C measured at the weather station in Reindalspasset just after midnight on November 12

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/climate-crisis/2020/11/record-november-warmth-...

Most of the Arctic is warmer than average:

You could argue this is just weather. However, it is continuing a trend, a trend since satellite observations began in 1979 and that has accelerated in the 20 years of this century. If this trend continues we will see more and more blue ocean in the Arctic summer, ocean that absorbs heat from the sun rather than reflecting that heat back into space. So AGW can be expected to increase and middle northern latitudes will see increasingly extreme weather.

As the Arctic warms more than twice as quickly as the rest of the globe the temperature difference that used to drive a strong Jet Stream reduces and the Jet Stream has weakened, slowed and become wavy. A bow facing south allows Arctic air to move south, bringing cold, blizzards and snow to subarctic regions, e.g. Canada and the USA. Some of the weather reports in Bobby’s fatuous “Global cooling” and the idiotic “Ice Age” threads are due to this effect.

When properly collected and collated we see hot records WAY outnumbering cold records (source: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/datatools/records)

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Re: Introduction to AGW
Reply #17 - Nov 15^th, 2020 at 6:01am

BTW—notice the record precipitation events?

What has to happen before there is precipitation? You learned this in primary school: evaporation has to happen before we can have precipitation (rain, hail or snow.)

If the world was cooling what would happen to evaporation? It would DECREASE! And so in a cooling world we would see no precipitation records. That we have precipitation records—there are “atmospheric rivers”—is proof enough of AGW.

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Reply #18 - Dec 15^th, 2020 at 9:34am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 12:34pm:

There is nothing stating that Critters and Gardens is about pets only. There is nothing stating that the effects of nature—in this case AGW—on animals wild and domestic cannot be discussed here.

I have, apart from Iron Butterflies and one beer review, concentrated 100% on Critters and Gardens.

Cretins who talk crap about ice ages will have to start their own threads. If they can.

First off it's Cats & Critters not Critters & Gardens.

Secondly you were elected to be Moderator here ... so it's not "your" board per se.

You continually seem to want to shift the goal posts for your own personal agenda.

2 non related posts in Beer & Iron butterflies is probably just the start. Roll Eyes

Now it's AGW because you say so.

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Re: Introduction to AGW
Reply #19 - Dec 15^th, 2020 at 11:51am

Gnads wrote on Dec 15^th, 2020 at 9:34am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 12:34pm:

There is nothing stating that Critters and Gardens is about pets only. There is nothing stating that the effects of nature—in this case AGW—on animals wild and domestic cannot be discussed here.

I have, apart from Iron Butterflies and one beer review, concentrated 100% on Critters and Gardens.

Cretins who talk crap about ice ages will have to start their own threads. If they can.

First off it's Cats & Critters not Critters & Gardens.

Secondly you were elected to be Moderator here ... so it's not "your" board per se.

You continually seem to want to shift the goal posts for your own personal agenda.

2 non related posts in Beer & Iron butterflies is probably just the start. Roll Eyes

Now it's AGW because you say so.

Fair enough. Now, let me see you make the same point in Extremism. You do want to be consistent, yes?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Introduction to AGW Reply #20 - Dec 15^th, 2020 at 10:13pm What do videos of puppies and kittens have to do with Environment? What does management of this board have to do with Extremism Exposed? At least I have given some justification for an intro to AGW here.
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Re: Introduction to AGW
Reply #21 - Dec 16^th, 2020 at 7:08am

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2020 at 11:51am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 15^th, 2020 at 9:34am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 12:34pm:

There is nothing stating that Critters and Gardens is about pets only. There is nothing stating that the effects of nature—in this case AGW—on animals wild and domestic cannot be discussed here.

I have, apart from Iron Butterflies and one beer review, concentrated 100% on Critters and Gardens.

Cretins who talk crap about ice ages will have to start their own threads. If they can.

First off it's Cats & Critters not Critters & Gardens.

Secondly you were elected to be Moderator here ... so it's not "your" board per se.

You continually seem to want to shift the goal posts for your own personal agenda.

2 non related posts in Beer & Iron butterflies is probably just the start. Roll Eyes

Now it's AGW because you say so.

Fair enough. Now, let me see you make the same point in Extremism. You do want to be consistent, yes?

Was I speaking to you?

Pharque orff - I don't dance to your expectations.

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Dwayne Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 126 Gender:	Re: Introduction to AGW Reply #22 - Dec 16^th, 2020 at 8:34am Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15^th, 2020 at 10:13pm: What do videos of puppies and kittens have to do with Environment? What does management of this board have to do with Extremism Exposed? At least I have given some justification for an intro to AGW here. What about beer? What has that to do with Cats?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Introduction to AGW Reply #23 - Dec 16^th, 2020 at 8:44am Eventually Fermentations will be restarted and I can move the posts there. Enough on this!
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Introduction to AGW Reply #24 - Dec 16^th, 2020 at 8:47am Eventually Fermentations will be restarted and I can move the posts there. Enough on this!
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Introduction to AGW Reply #25 - Dec 16^th, 2020 at 8:51am People could ask why no posts on the environment are made in Environment. Posting weather reports and asking me to apologise for the weather (I know!) have nothing to do with environment! Now the idiot mismanaging that board is posting kitten and puppy videos! Makes sense to someone I suppose!
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Reply #26 - Dec 16^th, 2020 at 9:40am

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 16^th, 2020 at 8:51am:

People could ask why no posts on the environment are made in Environment.

Posting weather reports and asking me to apologise for the weather (I know!) have nothing to do with environment! Now the idiot mismanaging that board is posting kitten and puppy videos!

Makes sense to someone I suppose!

Bit rich of you accusing anyone of mismanaging anything.

This board is a prime example.

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Reply #27 - Dec 16^th, 2020 at 11:12am

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15^th, 2020 at 10:13pm:

What do videos of puppies and kittens have to do with Environment? What does management of this board have to do with Extremism Exposed?

At least I have given some justification for an intro to AGW here.

What does climate policy have to do with the Environment..?

NOT MUCH these days....!

See below straight from the horses mouth

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"First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community.

But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.

Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this.

One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.

This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."

Ottmar Edenhofer - is Director and Chief Economist of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research as well as Director of the Mercator Research Institute on Global Commons and Climate Change and Professor of the Economics of Climate Change at the Technische Universität Berlin.

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Introduction to AGW Reply #28 - Dec 16^th, 2020 at 12:11pm AGW science is solid, it is no more than basic physics. As such, CO2, AGW, CC are VERY relevant to Critters and gardens—the southern half of the continent is warming and drying out,m CSIRO/BoM “State of the Climate 2016” report. Read it!
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Reply #29 - Dec 16^th, 2020 at 12:18pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 16^th, 2020 at 12:11pm:

AGW science is solid, it is no more than basic physics.

As such, CO2, AGW, CC are VERY relevant to Critters and gardens—the southern half of the continent is warming and drying out,m CSIRO/BoM “State of the Climate 2016” report. Read it!

You mean like the hotspot that showed up on the computer models....?!

And the sceptical scientists failed to find in the real world looking at satellite and weather balloon data...!

How can it be solid if its signature footprint doesn't exist in the real world.....???

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