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Re: Introduction to AGW
Reply #45 - Dec 17^th, 2020 at 3:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2020 at 3:37pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 17^th, 2020 at 3:33pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 17^th, 2020 at 8:32am:

At some time FD will change the name and icon of this board and create a Fermentations board again. I will plug along until then.

So what's that mean? You using influence to change boards to suit yourself?

If he wasn't going to be happy with the MRB he got
then he should have withdrawn from the election.
Monk is always complaining - it's never good enough for him.

You were given Environment to mod and turned it into the Dubyne MRB.

ALL you post is weather reports. Meaningless, useless, pointless! I am using the freedom FD gave to MRB Mods to run the board as I see fit. Since I have to introduce settled science I will introduce settled science. You introduce cuty cuty puppy and kitten YouTubes to Environment instead of ecology, your call.

Eventually FD will have to face to serious faults in OzPol, including your Modship of the Dubyne MRB.

YOU RUN YOUR BOARD TO SUIT GRIFTER DUBYNE! Run your MRB to suit OzPol, idiot! Or get bumped off your Mod position! FD pays $250/month after advertising now, what if that increases to $300, $350 per month? Look to YOUR board you total idiot!

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Bobby. Moderator Online Australian Politics Posts: 107081 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Introduction to AGW Reply #46 - Dec 17^th, 2020 at 4:01pm Monk - you have never attracted a single new member to this MRB. You've done nothing to help FD. You spend more time banned than here doing your job.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38862 Gender:	Re: Introduction to AGW Reply #47 - Dec 17^th, 2020 at 4:03pm Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2020 at 4:01pm: Monk - you have never attracted a single new member to this MRB. You've done nothing to help FD. You spend more time banned than here doing your job. That's probably because of dibby dobbers like you Bobby.
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Re: Introduction to AGW
Reply #48 - Dec 17^th, 2020 at 4:28pm

Idiot! I have boosted post count here by over 2500 despite dibby dobbers like you getting me banned all the time for bullshit reasons.

LOTS of people post here now that never used to! Open your eyes idiot!

I warm you! Listen or not, but if you lose the Modship of Environment do NOT blame me! I advised you to ask for the modship of Fringe, then I advised you to ask to Mod this MRB. In you stupidity and shortsightedness you ignored me.

Do not ask me to support you if FD, inevitably, feels he has to appoint competent Mods to MRBs like yours. FFS, your only interest has been to post puppy and kitten videos!

WHAT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, idiot?

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Re: Introduction to AGW
Reply #49 - Dec 18^th, 2020 at 9:28pm

Warming did not take place for hundreds of years before CO2 increased:

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No Leader to Follow

Changes in the concentration of atmospheric CO2 and surface air temperature are closely related. However, temperature can influence atmospheric CO2 as well as be influenced by it. Studies of polar ice cores have concluded that temperature increases during periods of rapid warming have preceded increases in CO2 by hundreds of years. Parrenin et al. (p. 1060; see the Perspective by Brook) present a revised age scale for the atmospheric component of Antarctic ice cores, based on the isotopic composition of the N2 that they contain, and suggest that temperature and CO2 changed synchronously over four intervals of rapid warming during the last deglaciation.

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Understanding the role of atmospheric CO2 during past climate changes requires clear knowledge of how it varies in time relative to temperature. Antarctic ice cores preserve highly resolved records of atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic temperature for the past 800,000 years. Here we propose a revised relative age scale for the concentration of atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic temperature for the last deglacial warming, using data from five Antarctic ice cores. We infer the phasing between CO2 concentration and Antarctic temperature at four times when their trends change abruptly. We find no significant asynchrony between them, indicating that Antarctic temperature did not begin to rise hundreds of years before the concentration of atmospheric CO2, as has been suggested by earlier studies. {My emphasis]

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/339/6123/1060

Full text of F. Parrenin et al available to download.

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Re: Introduction to AGW
Reply #50 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 10:26am

Global temps have warmed 1°C since 1960–70:

Australian temperatures have increased by a similar amount:

As a result of this temperature distributions have shifted:

So we see that in the 1950s really cold weather happened 1.73% of the time but now happens only 1% of the time—so cold weather can still happen, does not mean AGW is wrong or ended etc.

On maximum temperatures there has been a much bigger shift: very hot weather that occurred 2.2% of the time now occurs 11.45% of the time.

So the weather supports the AGW science. No ice age in sight.

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Reply #51 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 10:41am

The HadCRUT4 surface temperature index produced by the,

a. Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the,

b. Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia show the following trends

1878 to 1911…………….cooling

1912 to 1941…………….warming

1942 to 1964…………….cooling

1965 to 1998……………..warming

1999 to 2011………………cooling

Warming rate from 1908 to 1938………0.13°C per decade

Warming rate from 1983 to 2013………0.17°C per decade

Satellite data shows 2002 to mid 2015………..cooling

Warming pause ends late 2015 with El Nino event starting late 2015

The UAH analysis of satellite data gives a warming trend from 1979 to 2020 of 0.14°C per decade

The IPCC global circulations models (computer models) predicted a warming trend of 0.27°C per decade

That’s just under twice the warming we have experienced in the real world by observations of nature the last 40 years.

https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3

Satellite data from 1979 to 2016 suggest a warming by the year 2100 of 1.07°C.

So we don't have to spend billions of dollars of tax payers money on the stock exchange and giving 10% of this money over to the United Nations to try and keep the temperature to under a 2°C warming by end of 2100.

This will happen all by itself.

This warming is not out of the natural range of warming that is to be expected, coming out of the little ice age.

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Re: Introduction to AGW
Reply #52 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 10:51am

Like i said empirical data (observations in nature) the last 40 years show that by the year 2100AD we will warm 1.07 ° C.

Will not get to what the IPCC computer models predicted which was between 2.7 ° C to 4.5 ° C by the year 2100AD.

The models were running too hot and have now been shown to be wrong.

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Costing the Earth: Funding city climate initiatives with green banks

by Sue Weekes: News editor, Smart Cities World
Green banks are on the rise as cities look for ways to fund essential work to prevent climate change and its effects.

The world needs to spend $2.4 trillion every year until 2035 to mitigate the effects of climate change. This was the stark reality delivered by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5°C.

Cities recognise they need to be on the frontline of the action and a growing list have officially declared a climate emergency, including Krakow, London, Liverpool, Paris, New York and Sydney. According to the Climate Emergency Declaration and Mobilisation in Action (Cedamia) website, more than 888 jurisdictions in 18 countries, covering 161 million citizens, have now declared such an emergency.

As the IPCC highlights, though, fighting climate change costs and the race is on to find sustainable ways to fund green initiatives in cities around the world. This is bringing new momentum behind the green bank movement. On July 2, Washington, DC Mayor, Muriel Bowser, signed the District’s Green Finance Authority Establishment Act, officially making it the first city in the country to establish a government-funded green bank. The bank is being capitalised with $105 million of public funds.

The world needs to spend $2.4 trillion every year until 2035 to mitigate the effects of climate change.

The rest here,

https://www.smartcitiesworld.net/special-reports/special-reports/costing-the-ear...

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Introduction to AGW Reply #53 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 11:05am Temperatures are increasing faster now, especially in the Arctic. No getting around that the globe is warming. Arctic sea ice is melting and that is a positive boost to the warming.
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Re: Introduction to AGW
Reply #54 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 11:11am

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 11:05am:

Temperatures are increasing faster now, especially in the Arctic.

No getting around that the globe is warming. Arctic sea ice is melting and that is a positive boost to the warming.

We have been warming since 1850 coming out of the LIA.

If we warm by 1.07 ° C by then end of this century 2100 that is within normal parameters according to scientists.

There's nothing to worry about.

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Re: Introduction to AGW
Reply #55 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 11:17am

Please stop posting stupid charts.

The LIA was not a real ice age nor was it global. We “recovered” from the LIA by early 1900s.

Mann has been vindicated more than once.

The globe is warming at 0.2°C per decade. If the sun goes into a GSM (not for at least 11 years) then it will cool the globe by 0.2°C tops. That is for a Maunder level Minimum.

The sun has been a bit quiet since the 1960s and STILL WE WARMED!

Give it up, Ajax. AGW is real! Go plant some trees.

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Reply #56 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 11:30am

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 11:17am:

Please stop posting stupid charts.

The LIA was not a real ice age nor was it global. We “recovered” from the LIA by early 1900s.

Mann has been vindicated more than once.

The globe is warming at 0.2°C per decade. If the sun goes into a GSM (not for at least 11 years) then it will cool the globe by 0.2°C tops. That is for a Maunder level Minimum.

The sun has been a bit quiet since the 1960s and STILL WE WARMED!

Give it up, Ajax. AGW is real! Go plant some trees.

The LIA happened and they were ice scatting on the Thames river at that time.

Before this madness about AGW came along there were many studies by scientists around the world that confirmed the little ice age and the medieval warm period had occurred and that they were global.

If Mann had one ounce of integrity he would have shown how (math/calculations) he got the hockey stick in a court of law, but he didn't choosing to lose rather than show his math.

What does that tell you JV......?!

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The UAH analysis of satellite data gives a warming trend from 1979 to 2020 of 0.14°C per decade

The IPCC global circulations models (computer models) predicted a warming trend of 0.27°C per decade

That’s just under twice the warming we have experienced in the real world by observations of nature the last 40 years.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Introduction to AGW Reply #57 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 12:05pm UAH is a garbage, error-riddles series prepared by religious AGW deniers. Still, they have the globe warming at 0.15°C per decade. Warming, Ajax. Warming because of anthropogenic carbon emissions.
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Reply #58 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 12:12pm

JV lets forget about CO2 and mans emissions for the moment because we are never going to agree on this subject.

So whats the next 3 big thing for the environment...?

For me it is the following,

1. Deforestation, not talking about plantation trees here, but our natural forests all around the world. Should be stopped like right NOW....!

2. The islands of plastic garbage that are floating in our oceans, should be dealt with IMMEDIATELY, not a second to lose.

3. The ozone layer and CFC's

What about you.....?

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Reply #59 - Dec 28^th, 2020 at 12:24pm

Your three items are of concern, yes.

1. Deforestation affects the hydrology of a region (rivers, underground water) and leads to erosion, silting of rivers etc. Removes a carbon sink as well as habitat for critters (I really really need to research loss of populations of vertebrate and invertebrate critters.) We need a healthy ecology!

2. Plastic crap is destroying the marine environment and killing critters like sea turtles etc. We will need to drastically alter some of the ways we live our lives: pure cotton/wool/silk with no polyester, reusing plastic bags as well as doing away with them altogether. Small moves in that direction. It is not just the big islands tho, any bit of plastic can cause harm and does not rot! There are also microplastics—use of a front end loader not a top loader can make a big difference here, apparently.

3. The ozone layer is recovering but some arsehole in China is manufacturing CFCs again and they live forever almost in the atmosphere, destroying ozone and being a minor GHG.

There is also desertification and the CO2-greening is sputtering out, increasing just one nutrient is not an efficient way to encourage plant growth.

I would love much more discussion on these topics but we do not have an Environment board and here we really need to stick to critters and gardens.

I do encourage people to plant trees, have their councils plant more trees etc.

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