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Anthropogenic Global Warming 101
Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:06pm

Why the IPCC & brethren, General Circulation Models / Global Climate Models are wrong.

Some point s to consider

1. The models are running 197% over the measurements in nature.

2. The global relative humidity has been dropping the last 50 years, which according to the IPCC and brethren models should remain constant as more CO2 enters the atmopshere.

Its a good read for those interested.

https://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=710

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Reply #1 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:26pm

The Anthropocene Epoch is well underway. Mass extinction of animals species, 80% of all land plants diminished, pollution making plankton toxic, methane rising back into the atmosphere (once poisoned 95% of all life long ago), the effects of Nuclear War, pollution, radiation, a world globally with its head down a toilet.

Each race trying to genocide the other from the evolutionary tree which is like breaking off all the branches except one. Lack of genetic variation is a dead end.

The Anthropocene Epoch will be a very small Epoch compared to the rest. Possibly the smallest. Humanity has so far been a Cancerous cell to life on this planet.

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Reply #3 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:33pm

What if this warming is indeed man made and the world has no contingency plan to balance it out down the track?
What if this warming just keeps increasing and accelerating towards a Venutian Microwave cooking?
Maybe having a full-on Nuke War that would turn our world into Mars - can actually have a beneficial 'counter-balancing' act to keep the world going Venutian?
Cheesy

Seriously, this world isn't stuffed. Humanity it. Wink

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Reply #4 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:38pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:26pm:

The Anthropocene Epoch is well underway. Mass extinction of animals species, 80% of all land plants diminished, pollution making plankton toxic, methane rising back into the atmosphere (once poisoned 95% of all life long ago), the effects of Nuclear War, pollution, radiation, a world globally with its head down a toilet.

Each race trying to genocide the other from the evolutionary tree which is like breaking off all the branches except one. Lack of genetic variation is a dead end.

The Anthropocene Epoch will be a very small Epoch compared to the rest. Possibly the smallest. Humanity has so far been a Cancerous cell to life on this planet.

I agree we should be better stewards of the Earth, there is only one after all and apart from her sanctuary for life nothing else exists as far as we know.

If it was up to me the first thing I would do is get rid of the oligarchy not because they have more money than I do, but because by an large they are the cause of everything bad in humanity which spills over to looking after the Earth.

For example you want Nigeria's oil reserves, place a dictator in charge let him live like a king as long as he is our puppet and as for the rest of the people in that nation well tough luck, life wasn't meant to be easy.

In the mean time the oligarchy through purchase and control of the United Nations control nations who have no dictator and it all has to do with money.

Just the other day I saw a koala add to adopt one send $15 a month to one of these cuddly animals.

The sign in the back was the WWF that's right the United Nations WWF World Wide Fund for Nature, so without knowing it we are sending most of our donations to the United Nations in one form or another.

Now that's what I call grabbing them by the balls..... Huh

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Reply #5 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:40pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:33pm:

What if this warming is indeed man made and the world has no contingency plan to balance it out down the track?
What if this warming just keeps increasing and accelerating towards a Venutian Microwave cooking?
Maybe having a full-on Nuke War that would turn our world into Mars - can actually have a beneficial 'counter-balancing' act to keep the world going Venutian?
Cheesy

Seriously, this world isn't stuffed. Humanity it. Wink

If you care to investigate you wont get very deep before you will start to ask questions.

I too became an instant foot soldier for the environment after I saw An Inconvenient Truth.

Very powerful the call of the environment.

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Reply #6 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:53pm

Just like to add the following, whatever I present on here and others who are sceptical about AGW is not our own work, its work done by scientists in the field of Climate Change.

These scientists do believe in Global Warming and Climate Change.

What they are sceptical about is the claim that only mans emissions of CO2 and other manmade greenhouse gases are the sole cause of the current warming we are experiencing.

Apart from that they generally agree with the scientists that work for the IPCC and their brethren.

These so called science sceptics have been so demonized that most people call them deniers agents of big oil etc etc.

You see the scientists that work for the IPCC basically said this is the science it is settled , so now sit down and shut up or we will call you guys heretics.

But of course you know science doesn't work that way.

There are people today still working on Newton and Einstein and if anything new is found we should be told I hope.

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Reply #7 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 2:12pm

Hey Jasin

If you can prove to me that CO2 controls the global average mean temperature of the Earth then I will believe in the AGW science.

And I'm not talking about the first 20ppm of CO2 which helps to regulate the Earths temperature from -15°C to about +15°C

I'm talking about all this additional manmade CO2 through the burning of fossil fuels that we send into the atmosphere every year.

Show me evidence that because we are burning fossil fuels the CO2 emissions from this activity is increasing our temperature and I will believe, science cant be wrong can it, I believe in science.

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/02/4-carbon-dioxide-is-already-absorbing-almost-al...

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10982 Australia Gender:	Re: Anthropogenic Global Warming 101 Reply #8 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 2:27pm The steady rise of atmospheric CO2 ever year, even though mans emissions of CO2 double after the year 2000. Atmospheric CO2 rise 2.1ppm/yr before and after the year 2000. But after the year 2000 mans emission double...?!?!
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Reply #10 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 3:40pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 3:17pm:

I agree. The planet's history has always had the tidal charts on warm and cooling, hot and icy.
But yes, now Man has though Science (for it has lost God) introduced an added amount of C02.
Man has upset the applecart and sadly, there is no going back. We knew this once 2020 revealed itself, there is no going back.

Ok fair enough.

Here is a chart plotting CO2 and temperature for the last 11000 years, can you point out where they correlate...?

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Reply #11 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 3:40pm

"The basic physics underlying this global warming, the greenhouse gas effect, is simple. An increase in gases such as CO2 makes the atmosphere more opaque at infrared wavelengths. This added opacity causes the planet’s heat radiation to space to arise from higher, colder levels in the atmosphere, thus reducing emission of heat energy to space. "

Hansen et al.; 2011

https://arxiv.org/abs/1105.1140

Nope. The opacity hasn't changed beyond norms.

Nope no reduced heat energy to space.

"The partition of the outgoing long wave radiation into upward atmospheric emittance and surface transmitted radiation components is based on the accurate computation of the true greenhouse-gas optical thickness for the radiosonde data. New relationships among the flux components have been found and are used to construct a quasi-allsky model of the earth's atmospheric energy transfer process. In the 1948-2008 time period the global average annual mean true greenhouse-gas optical thickness is found to be time-stationary."

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43734929?seq=1

More heating should give higher Relative Humidity

"The resultant, more humid atmosphere, causes a hotspot over the tropics at altitudes of 10km to 12km). "

"Temperature trends from raw radiosonde data are also inconsistent with climate models, which project an upper tropospheric warming maximum, especially in the tropics"

(Santer et al. 2005; Trenberth et al. 2007; Santer et al. 2008)

"the vertical trend profiles in the tropics did not show the enhanced upper tropospheric amplification as predicted by climate models"

http://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00668.1

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Reply #12 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 3:52pm

Arrh yes the missing hot spot thanks Lee.

Was predicted around the equator about 10 to 12 kilometres up.

Well satellite data and radiosonde (weather balloon) data failed to detect this hot spot in the tropopause.

A key signature foot print of AGW missing in action....???

If it wasn't for the sceptical scientists who went to see and find this hot spot you would still believe there was one.

You are being lied to, wake up Australia.

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Reply #13 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 3:57pm

Has anyone looked into Oxygen levels though?
Everyone has been focused on the C02 for so long, what about our Air and is there a 'thinning' of our atmosphere - besides the Ozone?

The many Epochs of Saurian existence saw an atmosphere x3 times as thick with Oxygen as today. Such an atmosphere was of a stable hazy sky, a constant average of 30C at the equator, 10C at the poles (hence forests) - it was thick enough to support the immense weight of the Saurians as the 'swam' almost across the lands and in the skies. The extra Oxygen also made 'life' prolific and abundant... and 'big' in the form of the Saurians.
Volcanic activity was often - providing nutrient rich ash everwhere like the Sahara feeds the Amazon via the winds.

If our Air is thinning or the Oxygen levels are lowering.
Then we are in for bigger trouble than the planet warming.

A Victorian Brewer by accident discovered that the Algae waste produced a by-product via a 'Filter' that created a lot of pure Oxygen into the air.
Build these on a big scale and we may be able to 'fabricate' for lack of forests and kelp left alive.

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Reply #14 - Oct 25^th, 2020 at 4:04pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 3:57pm:

Has anyone looked into Oxygen levels though?
Everyone has been focused on the C02 for so long, what about our Air and is there a 'thinning' of our atmosphere - besides the Ozone?

The many Epochs of Saurian existence saw an atmosphere x3 times as thick with Oxygen as today. Such an atmosphere was of a stable hazy sky, a constant average of 30C at the equator, 10C at the poles (hence forests) - it was thick enough to support the immense weight of the Saurians as the 'swam' almost across the lands and in the skies. The extra Oxygen also made 'life' prolific and abundant... and 'big' in the form of the Saurians.
Volcanic activity was often - providing nutrient rich ash everwhere like the Sahara feeds the Amazon via the winds.

If our Air is thinning or the Oxygen levels are lowering.
Then we are in for bigger trouble than the planet warming.

A Victorian Brewer by accident discovered that the Algae waste produced a by-product via a 'Filter' that created a lot of pure Oxygen into the air.
Build these on a big scale and we may be able to 'fabricate' for lack of forests and kelp left alive.

On the sir David Attenborough doco about the planet he shows that 2/3's of the worlds forests have been cut down since he was born.

Now you could say 100 hundred years ago we had three lungs that absorbed CO2 from the atmosphere and exhaled Oxygen.

Today we have one lung (1/3) left, to suck out the CO2 (maybe that's why CO2 has risen..?) and give us back oxygen (O has declined).

Its called de-forestation.

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