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Re: Arab advice to WEST - Stop appeasing ISLAMISTS !!!
Reply #30 - Nov 17^th, 2020 at 6:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2020 at 3:51pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 16^th, 2020 at 2:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 14^th, 2020 at 12:19pm:

Appeasement means I suppose that they first must break the law and be found guilty of doing so, Yadda? I suppose we should just demand all Muslims must wear a Green Crescent on their clothing and lock them in concentration camps? Tsk, tsk, typical fascist response. We fought a war against that sort of thinking... Roll Eyes

Seems like Yadda has the contextual meaning of appeasement right. Why should you think that we need a "softly, softly" approach to people willing to kill those who do not share the same values as them?

Cause he and the other Islamophobes are suggesting that merely being a Muslim makes a person guilty, before they have committed any criminal act. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Being merely Muslim connects you to Muslim terrorists Jihadis. Islamists. Yu share one of the most significant self-identifications with murderers for Allah - your belief in Allah and Mohammed. So called 'mainstream' Muslims have failed miserably and unforgivably in the last 40 years. If the murderers ere were really such a small and unrepresentative minority, the majority of Muslims would have had no problem reigning them in.

They haven't. Islam is Islam is Islam. It is militant, expansionist, conquering, subjugating. It will never take a backward step, it doen not compromise. unless it is beaten back by force. It is exploiting the very essence of Western democracy - compromise, give and take. Islam only takes, it never gives.

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Reply #32 - Nov 18^th, 2020 at 3:23pm

List of Killings in the Name of Islam:

Last 30 Days: During this time period, there were 97 Islamic attacks in 19 countries, in which 603 people were killed and 586 injured.

Jihad Report Nov 07 2020 - Nov 13 2020: Attacks 35 - Killed 185 - Injured 140 - Suicide Blasts 3 - Countries 12.

Jihad Report October 2020: Attacks 180 - Killed 890 - Injured 782 - Suicide Blasts 5 - Countries 27.

So far for 2020: During this time period, there were 1870 Islamic attacks in 49 countries, in which 9076 people were killed and 6754 injured.

There has been over 38103 deadly muslim terrorist attacks since September 11 2001.

All of the above atrocities were carried out by muslims who were obeying the teachings of muhammad in the qur'an.

Anybody got any figures for terrorist attacks caused and motivated by the teachings of Christ?

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Reply #33 - Nov 19^th, 2020 at 7:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 1:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 2:29am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2020 at 9:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 16^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

"Stop appeasing Islamists" was what I read. Was it not you, Brian, that said Islamists are the ones committing the violence?

Indeed they are and yes I alerted you to this fact. Problem is Yadda continues with his usual Islamophobic rant... Roll Eyes

Soooo.... we can rightly and morally soundly say it is correct that we should not be "appeasing the Islamists"?

Yes. Unless of course it spills over to blanket condemnation of all Muslims, as Yadda has done. Roll Eyes

The implication is that Muslims have not condemned the Islamists who have been creating all the violence. There are plenty of Christians who condemn paedophile priests. Plenty of Australians have condemned the killing of Afghani civilians and unarmed combatants. Plenty of people have condemned the abuse of children by rapists in Australia. But, Muslims have generally been quiet about Islamists committing atrocities.

Imagine Fraser Anning not getting any condemnation (at least in some considerable amount) in the public and the media after his comments about the Christchurch mosque shooting. Middle Eastern societies condemned media outlets in Europe for publishing Mohammed cartoons, instead of condemning the violence that lead to the publishing of the cartoons.

It is not about a "blanket condemnation of all Muslims" that is the problem. It is the condemnation of Muslims that condone the violent actions of Islamists that is implied in this subject.

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Reply #34 - Nov 19^th, 2020 at 10:47pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 19^th, 2020 at 7:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 1:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 2:29am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2020 at 9:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 16^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

"Stop appeasing Islamists" was what I read. Was it not you, Brian, that said Islamists are the ones committing the violence?

Indeed they are and yes I alerted you to this fact. Problem is Yadda continues with his usual Islamophobic rant... Roll Eyes

Soooo.... we can rightly and morally soundly say it is correct that we should not be "appeasing the Islamists"?

Yes. Unless of course it spills over to blanket condemnation of all Muslims, as Yadda has done. Roll Eyes

The implication is that Muslims have not condemned the Islamists who have been creating all the violence....

It is not about a "blanket condemnation of all Muslims" that is the problem.

It is the condemnation of Muslims that condone the violent actions of Islamists that is implied in this subject.

unsub,

That is a salient point.

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QUESTION;
When was the last time - ANYONE - saw a street protest, in the capital of any Western nation,
WITH LARGE NUMBERS OF FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM, carrying placards which declared;

"Stop killing non-moslems!"

or,

"You killer moslems are bringing our religion into disrepute! STOP IT!!!!"

or,

"We are moslems! And we stand with the victims of ISLAMIC terrorists!"

???

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Instead, we see the example of followers of ISLAM -- living here, in Australia -- AND, in street protests,
who are encouraging acts of violence against individuals or groups of people, who belong to a different culture, AND, express opinions, which they [moslems] disagree with.

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"BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET"

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

'Aussie' moslems on a Sydney street, openly demonstrating and exposing to public view, the violent religious bigotry which ISLAM, has put into their hearts.

'Aussie' moslems on a Sydney street, openly declaring their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion'.

Demanding the 'religious freedom', to kill people who offend them, because someone does not believe as they [moslems] believe.

Which is what ISLAM teaches, is their LAWFUL religious right, as followers of ISLAM.

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Reply #35 - Nov 19^th, 2020 at 11:03pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 19^th, 2020 at 7:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 1:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 2:29am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16^th, 2020 at 9:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 16^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

"Stop appeasing Islamists" was what I read. Was it not you, Brian, that said Islamists are the ones committing the violence?

Indeed they are and yes I alerted you to this fact. Problem is Yadda continues with his usual Islamophobic rant... Roll Eyes

Soooo.... we can rightly and morally soundly say it is correct that we should not be "appeasing the Islamists"?

Yes. Unless of course it spills over to blanket condemnation of all Muslims, as Yadda has done. Roll Eyes

The implication is that Muslims have not condemned the Islamists who have been creating all the violence. There are plenty of Christians who condemn paedophile priests. Plenty of Australians have condemned the killing of Afghani civilians and unarmed combatants. Plenty of people have condemned the abuse of children by rapists in Australia. But, Muslims have generally been quiet about Islamists committing atrocities.

Imagine Fraser Anning not getting any condemnation (at least in some considerable amount) in the public and the media after his comments about the Christchurch mosque shooting. Middle Eastern societies condemned media outlets in Europe for publishing Mohammed cartoons, instead of condemning the violence that lead to the publishing of the cartoons.

It is not about a "blanket condemnation of all Muslims" that is the problem. It is the condemnation of Muslims that condone the violent actions of Islamists that is implied in this subject.

How often have you attended your local Mosque? You know what the Imam talks about during his friday service? You know what Muslims as a body say about Terrorism? No, I didn't think so. When 11 September occurred, there were claims there were no Muslims who condemned the Terrorism. That was cause western people don't speak Arabic and don't read what Muslims actually say. They take that there was silence when there was a great deal of condemnation. The same has occurred after each Terrorist act. You have a few loons who speak in support of it but a lot of condemnation occurs behind the scenes, out of earshot of reporters who don't understand Arabic or other languages. I get fed up with the constant claim there is no condemnation of Terrorism from Muslims, where there is oodles and oodles. You just need to know where to look and where you don't look is in the Western MSM. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Nov 19^th, 2020 at 11:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 19^th, 2020 at 11:03pm:

How often have you attended your local Mosque? You know what the Imam talks about during his friday service? You know what Muslims as a body say about Terrorism? No, I didn't think so. When 11 September occurred, there were claims there were no Muslims who condemned the Terrorism. That was cause western people don't speak Arabic and don't read what Muslims actually say. They take that there was silence when there was a great deal of condemnation. The same has occurred after each Terrorist act. You have a few loons who speak in support of it but a lot of condemnation occurs behind the scenes, out of earshot of reporters who don't understand Arabic or other languages.

I get fed up with the constant claim there is no condemnation of Terrorism from Muslims, where there is oodles and oodles. You just need to know where to look and where you don't look is in the Western MSM. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

I get fed up too.

With your lies.

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AL WALAA WAL BARAA, "Islamic jurists"

Essentially, it translates as;

".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah."

It means, LOVING your moslem brothers. .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, HATING the non-moslem. .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, being a moslem.

It means, OBEYING ISLAMIC LAW !

Pure Al-wala' wa-l-bara' in the Koran....

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"...enmity and hatred for ever."

This is not hatred out of Yadda's mouth.

This hatred comes directly from ISLAM, and from ISLAM's most holy and inerrant religious text.

And it is a never-ending and unquenchable hatred, directed toward every disbeliever.

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FIGHTING THE HATED DISBELIEVER, ....IS JUSTIFIED AND RIGHTEOUS.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

Koran 8:20-22
Koran 5:59-60
Koran 47:33-35

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."

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Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,"
Koran 9.14

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #37 - Nov 19^th, 2020 at 11:57pm

Brian, out of 80,000 people in my town, about 1000 of the residents are Muslim. We do not have the numbers to see a mosque being built in this town. We do have community centres for the purpose of Islamic prayer. But, you miss the point of my post.

When the September 11 attacks occurred, there were media reports of people in the Middle East celebrating. Guys came out of their homes with thumbs up signals for their friends. People were partaking in lollies, etc. A woman was shown to be cheering in celebration. But then, it was revealed that the people were celebrating a soccer game win. When these people found out that the September 11 attacks had occurred, the mood really changed. The uvulating woman felt very embarrassed by what had happened and was sorry that she was cheering at the time when something else serious had happened around the world.

The thing about these instances is that there seems to be a dark element in society that would try and trick people into thinking one thing happened, and then use it for something else. I doubt that the western media was using the story for their own agenda. And the media conceded that it was the trickery of some people in the Middle East who tricked the civilians into thinking a sporting event was won so that the fraudsters could use it for propaganda purposes. It is those evil elements of Islamic society that we need to stop.

Brian, there are plenty of people who have had their languages translated into English for Westerners and Americans to understand. Muslim majority countries were near universal in the condemnation of the September 11 attacks. But, I do not see the same kind of condemnation of an individual who shot up a mosque in Christchurch. The Turkish leader Erdogan used the video to incite his followers into demeaning New Zealanders and Australians.

And whilst I do not believe that most Muslims are violent people, I do find it surprising that there is a general sense of justification by Muslims towards committing violence whenever someone criticises Islam.

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Reply #38 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 12:54pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 19^th, 2020 at 11:57pm:

Brian, out of 80,000 people in my town, about 1000 of the residents are Muslim. We do not have the numbers to see a mosque being built in this town. We do have community centres for the purpose of Islamic prayer. But, you miss the point of my post.

When the September 11 attacks occurred, there were media reports of people in the Middle East celebrating. Guys came out of their homes with thumbs up signals for their friends. People were partaking in lollies, etc. A woman was shown to be cheering in celebration. But then, it was revealed that the people were celebrating a soccer game win. When these people found out that the September 11 attacks had occurred, the mood really changed. The uvulating woman felt very embarrassed by what had happened and was sorry that she was cheering at the time when something else serious had happened around the world.

The thing about these instances is that there seems to be a dark element in society that would try and trick people into thinking one thing happened, and then use it for something else. I doubt that the western media was using the story for their own agenda. And the media conceded that it was the trickery of some people in the Middle East who tricked the civilians into thinking a sporting event was won so that the fraudsters could use it for propaganda purposes. It is those evil elements of Islamic society that we need to stop.

Brian, there are plenty of people who have had their languages translated into English for Westerners and Americans to understand. Muslim majority countries were near universal in the condemnation of the September 11 attacks. But, I do not see the same kind of condemnation of an individual who shot up a mosque in Christchurch. The Turkish leader Erdogan used the video to incite his followers into demeaning New Zealanders and Australians.

And whilst I do not believe that most Muslims are violent people, I do find it surprising that there is a general sense of justification by Muslims towards committing violence whenever someone criticises Islam.

There is one main source for the translation of Arabic in the MSM. It is the Israeli owned and operated "Middle East Media Research Institute". Guess how it "colours" it's translations? It is as bad as a bunch of Islamophobes as here. Most people read the MSM and the MSM uses the "Middle East Media Research Institute" services. It is blatantly pro-Israeli and anti-Muslim. It has been caught many times mistranslating what was said for it's own ends. The worst case was that of the comments by the Iranian President where it was claimed he suggest that Israel would need to be "obliterated". In reality, he had merely used the word "removed".

The point is, there are loons on both sides of this argument. It is usually the squeaky wheel that gets the oil. In the case of Islam it is the outspoken Islamists who get media time, not the mild moderate ones. All too often their word is taken as being representative of what all Muslims think. It is as if Muslims are believed to be like the Borg. Muslims vary in their opinions as much as any group in society. Yet that is never considered by Islamophobes. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #39 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 1:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20^th, 2020 at 12:54pm:

There is one main source for the translation of Arabic in the MSM. It is the Israeli owned and operated "Middle East Media Research Institute". Guess how it "colours" it's translations? It is as bad as a bunch of Islamophobes as here. Most people read the MSM and the MSM uses the "Middle East Media Research Institute" services. It is blatantly pro-Israeli and anti-Muslim. It has been caught many times mistranslating what was said for it's own ends. The worst case was that of the comments by the Iranian President where it was claimed he suggest that Israel would need to be "obliterated". In reality, he had merely used the word "removed".

The point is, there are loons on both sides of this argument. It is usually the squeaky wheel that gets the oil. In the case of Islam it is the outspoken Islamists who get media time, not the mild moderate ones. All too often their word is taken as being representative of what all Muslims think. It is as if Muslims are believed to be like the Borg.

Muslims vary in their opinions as much as any group in society.

Yet that is never considered by Islamophobes.

'No moslem, can be on friendly terms with an infidel.
To contradict that position, transforms the moslem, into an infidel.'

- Allah [paraphrased] - Koran 5.51

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Erdogan, "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. There is only one Islam."

ARGUMENT;
Every single moslem, in declaring himself to be a moslem, ....is declaring himself to be a follower of ISLAM.

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Al-Wala’ wa al-Bara’: Islam’s Doctrine of Contempt for the Other

Apr 3, 2020
By Darrell Pack

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Take, for example, al-Jaza’iri, a Salafi commentator on the Quran, who explains the basic idea behind the doctrine we are considering. He says, “Those who support the enemies of Allah and his prophet have abandoned their patronage of Allah, Muhammed and the Muslims (…) You will see in the hearts of those who support them a sickness.”

Al-Jaza’iri defines that sickness as doubt, hypocrisy and Shirk (associating an idol with Allah in worship).

Al-Jaza’iri concludes, “It is generally agreed that lack of active support for the Muslim cause is an abandoning of a major precept of true faith.”

In addition, al-Qurtubi, in his commentary, identifies this phenomenon (al-Wala’ wa al-Bara’) with the Battle of Uhud (624 A.D), when early Muslims were defeated by the Meccan pagans, and hypocrites among the Muslims who had secret deals to support the Jews while proclaiming themselves to be with the Muslims. This idea has planted in a belief in many Muslims that one is obeying this Quranic precept only through overt support for Muslim victory in conflicts with non-Muslims.

Another commentator, al-Bayḍāwī, says that Muslims must not rely upon Non-Muslims or associate with them as if they are dear.

But as-Samarqandī gives a harsher verdict and says that the Muslim who takes this kind of patronage and friendship with Jews and Christians is actually in their false religions, and will join them in hellfire.

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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/04/al-wala-wa-al-bara-islams-doctrine-of-contemp...

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July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself:

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them"
(Qur'an 3:28).

In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

- WWW search

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THE PEACEFUL ['FRIENDLY'] FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM;

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A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

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we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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Reply #40 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 3:23pm

A islamic terror apologist wrote Yesterday at 11:03pm: Quote:

You just need to know where to look

He was admitting that muslim abhorrence of islamic terrorism was not something that was out in the open, it was hidden away, *you had to know where to look*.

For goodness sake the people *have to know where to look*, to see the minority of muslims who are against islamic terrorism.

You certainly don't *have to know where to look* to see the daily bloodshed of the muslims, it's right in front of us.

You don't *have to know where to look*, to see the muslim protesters holding the placards and threats of violence and bloodshed against the non believers, they are out there in full force.

Yet we have to *know where to look* to find any muslim condemnation of islamic beheadings, rapes, torturing and mass murder.

How do we know this proven liar is actually telling the truth?

Maybe muslim loathing of islamic religious terrorism doesn't exist.

If it does exist why is it hidden away, out of sight?

Is this apologist simply lying to us again?

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Reply #41 - Nov 20^th, 2020 at 3:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20^th, 2020 at 12:54pm:

There is one main source for the translation of Arabic in the MSM. It is the Israeli owned and operated "Middle East Media Research Institute". Guess how it "colours" it's translations? It is as bad as a bunch of Islamophobes as here. Most people read the MSM and the MSM uses the "Middle East Media Research Institute" services. It is blatantly pro-Israeli and anti-Muslim. It has been caught many times mistranslating what was said for it's own ends. The worst case was that of the comments by the Iranian President where it was claimed he suggest that Israel would need to be "obliterated". In reality, he had merely used the word "removed".

Brian, there are people all around the world that can translate Arabic languages into English. The trouble is that the content of the Arabic being translated could be so objectionable that the translator could either refuse to translate the words, or lie about translating what was said. "Someone I knew" was wanting to translate a Farsi recording into English. A translator listened to the recording and then decided against translating for the people. Another translator, this time a white guy from the university, came and listened to the recording. He translated for the people concerned about what was said. Then he commented that the recording included a death threat at the end, for people who translated the recording into a non-Arabic language.

That is basically the problem with the language barrier. Arabic people, who are largely among the poorest people in the world, having to fight to survive more than Western and American people can ever generally imagine, have this "us vs them" idea of their existence. It is not a surprise that the spokesperson for the Middle Eastern societies have an issue about suppressing what is told to the media. What is heard and translated (or mistranslated) in public media is probably a sanitised version of what is thought in general in the Middle East.

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The point is, there are loons on both sides of this argument. It is usually the squeaky wheel that gets the oil. In the case of Islam it is the outspoken Islamists who get media time, not the mild moderate ones. All too often their word is taken as being representative of what all Muslims think. It is as if Muslims are believed to be like the Borg. Muslims vary in their opinions as much as any group in society. Yet that is never considered by Islamophobes. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

As I have pointed out to you, if there is not an outright condemnation of these Islamists by their own countrymen, then there is an appeasement of the Islamists by the general public.

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