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Jest Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1399 NSW South Coast Gender:	Should I desex my doggie? Nov 16^th, 2020 at 9:54pm Our pup is a male, Maltese X Poodle X Bichon & is now 4 months old. At 6 months our vet wants to desex him and insists that I would be immoral if I didnt. Im not so sure about that. Can anyone give me a good reason why I should desex my dog. I think its wrong.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Should I desex my doggie? Reply #1 - Nov 17^th, 2020 at 10:11am Its frankly immoral if you dont
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Re: Should I desex my doggie?
Reply #2 - Nov 17^th, 2020 at 11:44am

There are schools of thought that state a dog is more stable and friendly when desexed and lest prone to bite or display agro tendencies. There is also the mating with other dogs that you may or may not want to happen. In my Shire, the yearly registration for an undesexed dog is in the thousands - unless you are a registered breeder - whilst for desexed dogs it is under a hundred. The cost of desexing a dog can be quite high.

There are any number of pros and cons that really only you can balance up so, unless your Shire has bylaws making it compulsory unless other conditions are satisfied, it's up to you. Personally, all our dogs have been desexed as soon as they were able to as we were not interested in breeding him/her and the advice we got at the time was it would help the dog.

Interestingly, I had a vasectomy when I was 32 (relatively young) as we had enough children of our own, and I didn't feel the need to populate with another female!

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Jest Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1399 NSW South Coast Gender:	Re: Should I desex my doggie? Reply #3 - Nov 17^th, 2020 at 12:31pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 10:11am: Its frankly immoral if you dont Can you explain to me why. Because it seems to me that its immoral if I do. If I cut your testies off when you were 13, you'd think I was immoral. See what Im saying?
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Re: Should I desex my doggie?
Reply #4 - Nov 17^th, 2020 at 12:36pm

Vic wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 11:44am:

There are schools of thought that state a dog is more stable and friendly when desexed and lest prone to bite or display agro tendencies. There is also the mating with other dogs that you may or may not want to happen. In my Shire, the yearly registration for an undesexed dog is in the thousands - unless you are a registered breeder - whilst for desexed dogs it is under a hundred. The cost of desexing a dog can be quite high.

There are any number of pros and cons that really only you can balance up so, unless your Shire has bylaws making it compulsory unless other conditions are satisfied, it's up to you. Personally, all our dogs have been desexed as soon as they were able to as we were not interested in breeding him/her and the advice we got at the time was it would help the dog.

Interestingly, I had a vasectomy when I was 32 (relatively young) as we had enough children of our own, and I didn't feel the need to populate with another female!

Please correct me if Im wrong but in the case of dogs when they're desexed they cant have sex, so its not quite the same as your vasectomy. Have I got that right?

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Re: Should I desex my doggie?
Reply #5 - Nov 17^th, 2020 at 12:48pm

Jest wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 12:36pm:

Vic wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 11:44am:

There are schools of thought that state a dog is more stable and friendly when desexed and lest prone to bite or display agro tendencies. There is also the mating with other dogs that you may or may not want to happen. In my Shire, the yearly registration for an undesexed dog is in the thousands - unless you are a registered breeder - whilst for desexed dogs it is under a hundred. The cost of desexing a dog can be quite high.

There are any number of pros and cons that really only you can balance up so, unless your Shire has bylaws making it compulsory unless other conditions are satisfied, it's up to you. Personally, all our dogs have been desexed as soon as they were able to as we were not interested in breeding him/her and the advice we got at the time was it would help the dog.

Interestingly, I had a vasectomy when I was 32 (relatively young) as we had enough children of our own, and I didn't feel the need to populate with another female!

Please correct me if Im wrong but in the case of dogs when they're desexed they cant have sex, so its not quite the same as your vasectomy. Have I got that right?

Not sure, but if that is true then I must be a dog

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 74858 Gender:	Re: Should I desex my doggie? Reply #6 - Nov 17^th, 2020 at 4:03pm
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Jest Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1399 NSW South Coast Gender:	Re: Should I desex my doggie? Reply #7 - Nov 17^th, 2020 at 4:46pm John Smith wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 4:03pm: I second that . Good one Vic
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Re: Should I desex my doggie?
Reply #8 - Dec 10^th, 2020 at 8:17am

Jest wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 12:36pm:

Vic wrote on Nov 17^th, 2020 at 11:44am:

There are schools of thought that state a dog is more stable and friendly when desexed and lest prone to bite or display agro tendencies. There is also the mating with other dogs that you may or may not want to happen. In my Shire, the yearly registration for an undesexed dog is in the thousands - unless you are a registered breeder - whilst for desexed dogs it is under a hundred. The cost of desexing a dog can be quite high.

There are any number of pros and cons that really only you can balance up so, unless your Shire has bylaws making it compulsory unless other conditions are satisfied, it's up to you. Personally, all our dogs have been desexed as soon as they were able to as we were not interested in breeding him/her and the advice we got at the time was it would help the dog.

Interestingly, I had a vasectomy when I was 32 (relatively young) as we had enough children of our own, and I didn't feel the need to populate with another female!

Please correct me if Im wrong but in the case of dogs when they're desexed they cant have sex, so its not quite the same as your vasectomy. Have I got that right?

Once the production of hormones(testosterone) has ceased & the levels drop in it's system the dog will no longer have the inclination or capability.

And they are less aggressive to people & other dogs.

This can take a month or so - depending on how old the dog is before you have it done.

The other bonus is monetary ..... it's generally much cheaper to register a desexed dog.

Seems it's very much a male thing that men owners don't like the idea of taking out Fidos balls.

They tuck up their own when they think about it. Grin

If you have no plans to be a registered breeder..

It's the right thing to do.

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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: Should I desex my doggie? Reply #9 - Dec 10^th, 2020 at 8:49am Unless the dog has a prostate problem or cancer, or is totally out of control and tends to roam looking for bitches, there is no reason to castrate it. Your vet sounds like an idiot.....similar to Buttcrack.
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Re: Should I desex my doggie?
Reply #10 - Dec 10^th, 2020 at 8:58am

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 8:52am:

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 8:49am:

Unless the dog has a prostate problem or cancer, or is totally out of control and tends to roam looking for bitches, there is no reason to castrate it. Your vet sounds like an idiot.....similar to Buttcrack.

If you own a female dog then they should be speyed.

Then there would be no roaming whole dogs looking for bitches. Tongue

If you're not a breeder yes I agree. But we were talking about Male dogs (ya know the kind with balls)....... Wink

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Reply #11 - Dec 10^th, 2020 at 1:11pm

This talk of pet dogs roaming ... most have them inside, or in an enclosed safe back yard. Especially if one pays big $$$$ for a specific breed.
In that case, if a specific breed/mix has good social family encounters and life, there is no reason for aggression.

We never desexed our blue/red healer. He always stayed close to home on our property.
Was the best friendliest loving social dog that everyone loved.
He did however, develop a cancer type tumour in his scrotum and although I kept him well with lots of alternate products, after a few months, decided it was cheaper to have him operated on to remove his balls, as the products I used were getting on the expensive side.
The vet was at me for months about the operation, saying the tumour would spread and attach to the stomach etc.
When our dog had the op, the vet was amazed how clean and contained the tumour was, and it had shrunk instead of grow and spread.
One of the products I gave the dog was shark cartilage powder.
As sharks are resistant to cancer apparently.
Anyway, once our dog had his balls removed, his fur became thicker and he seemed more youthful.
Maybe there’s something to that for men too? Grin

(just kidding)

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Re: Should I desex my doggie?
Reply #12 - Dec 10^th, 2020 at 4:15pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 2:10pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 8:58am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 8:52am:

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 8:49am:

Unless the dog has a prostate problem or cancer, or is totally out of control and tends to roam looking for bitches, there is no reason to castrate it. Your vet sounds like an idiot.....similar to Buttcrack.

If you own a female dog then they should be speyed.

Then there would be no roaming whole dogs looking for bitches. Tongue

If you're not a breeder yes I agree. But we were talking about Male dogs (ya know the kind with balls)....... Wink

You obviously didn't read my previous post

If you're not a registered breeder then you should have your dogs de-sexed ....

male (with balls) or females (without balls) Roll Eyes

nutted or speyed either way.

It's the responsible & sensible thing to do.

Edit: and it's cheaper to register them.

A registered breeder with de-sexed dogs is going to go broke. I’m missing something here.
One thing I do know is it’s medically very risky de-sexing young female puppies given this frequently results in bone/joint deformation and other medical problems. Why the RSPCA insists on this I can understand but they never warn potential owners of the probable serious medical complications.

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Re: Should I desex my doggie?
Reply #13 - Dec 11^th, 2020 at 2:36pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 4:15pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 2:10pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 8:58am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 8:52am:

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 10^th, 2020 at 8:49am:

Unless the dog has a prostate problem or cancer, or is totally out of control and tends to roam looking for bitches, there is no reason to castrate it. Your vet sounds like an idiot.....similar to Buttcrack.

If you own a female dog then they should be speyed.

Then there would be no roaming whole dogs looking for bitches. Tongue

If you're not a breeder yes I agree. But we were talking about Male dogs (ya know the kind with balls)....... Wink

You obviously didn't read my previous post

If you're not a registered breeder then you should have your dogs de-sexed ....

male (with balls) or females (without balls) Roll Eyes

nutted or speyed either way.

It's the responsible & sensible thing to do.

Edit: and it's cheaper to register them.

A registered breeder with de-sexed dogs is going to go broke. I’m missing something here.
One thing I do know is it’s medically very risky de-sexing young female puppies given this frequently results in bone/joint deformation and other medical problems. Why the RSPCA insists on this I can understand but they never warn potential owners of the probable serious medical complications.

You certainly are - re-read my post.

I said if you're "NOT' a registered breeder.

What the pharque is wrong with you?

.... I said it twice .... "if you're not a registered breeder"

desex your dogs.

You don't desex female puppies when too young .... you wait til there nearly going to go through their first heat.

The males are usually when their stones start to drop.

With the amount of inherited genetic problems of pedigreed dogs I doubt speying causes bone/joint deformation.

Anyway the vet will recommend supplements you can give them to look after bone density & osteoporosis .......

just as doctors do for women who have hysterectomies or ovary removal.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16617 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Should I desex my doggie? Reply #14 - Dec 11^th, 2020 at 10:23pm Never. Take responsibility and make sure they they are not open to breeding that you don't want. Anything else is lazy. You would change their character and being to save you having to think about them as living individual creatures and more as furniture.
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