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no such thing as baseload power demand
Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:09am

There is no such thing as baseload power demand. What we actually have is a highly variable demand, with all sorts of peaks and troughs. We have put all sorts of economic mechanisms in place to make it look like baseline demand, so that the amount consumed looks as close as possible to how electricity has traditionally been produced. Similar economic mechanisms can be used to manage more variable supply as well as demand. The government does not need to micromanage this. They merely need to get out of the way and let it happen.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47342 Gender:	Re: no such thing as baseline power demand Reply #1 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:13am Both are right, no?
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Re: no such thing as baseline power demand
Reply #2 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:15am

Your forgetting one thing FD like the leeches that they are private corporations wont budge unless the government hands out some money.

ScoMo has already said to the private corporations STEP UP who want to do this.

I haven't heard anything, has anyone stepped up to the plate has anyone put their hand up....?

Unless there are subsidies the leeches wont budge.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: no such thing as baseline power demand Reply #3 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:19am A profit is just as good as a handout.
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Re: no such thing as baseline power demand
Reply #4 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:25am

freediver wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:19am:

A profit is just as good as a handout.

But didn't you just say the government should stay clear of such issues.....???

If the government doesn't get involved nothing will happen...!!!

We have to hand over tax payer dollars for the private corporations to make a move.

So what is it....???

Does the government get involved....???

YES OR NO.....!!

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47342 Gender:	Re: no such thing as baseline power demand Reply #5 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:26am Which is better? A State induced Domestic Economy thriving or the previous Federal induced International Economy dominating?
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10975 Australia Gender:	Re: no such thing as baseline power demand Reply #6 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:31am It's a bit like covid. The government came to the party. I didn't see any multi nationals handing out billions of dollars for the Australian people to help them get through this crisis.
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Reply #7 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:37am

Ajax wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:31am:

It's a bit like covid.

The government came to the party.

I didn't see any multi nationals handing out billions of dollars for the Australian people to help them get through this crisis.

True. But a lot of Business's adapted and took on things like manufacturing masks and other 'essentials' to both stay alive and adapt to a more 'essential' need of market. Doing a Jamie Oliver.

But true - there are many more Private Corps that put their hand out than offer any form of national 'assistence'.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47342 Gender:	Re: no such thing as baseline power demand Reply #8 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:39am ...Qantas. Putting its hand out big time to the Taxpayers, then outsourcing more overseas.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10975 Australia Gender:	Re: no such thing as baseline power demand Reply #9 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:40am It was mainly small business that adapted and made masks and hand sanitizes. In other words the people. The multi nationals all said please give us some tax payer dollars so we don't sink
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29268 Gender:	Re: no such thing as baseline power demand Reply #10 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:45am freediver wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:19am: A profit is just as good as a handout. So they're not making profits at the prices being charged for electricity today?
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29268 Gender:	Re: no such thing as baseline power demand Reply #11 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:46am Public utilities such as the supply of water and electricity should never be in the hands of private enterprise.
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Re: no such thing as baseline power demand
Reply #12 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 10:04am

Ajax wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:25am:

freediver wrote on Nov 29^th, 2020 at 9:19am:

A profit is just as good as a handout.

But didn't you just say the government should stay clear of such issues.....???

If the government doesn't get involved nothing will happen...!!!

We have to hand over tax payer dollars for the private corporations to make a move.

So what is it....???

Does the government get involved....???

YES OR NO.....!!

I think you'll find that people are capable of making money without the government holding their hand.

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Public utilities such as the supply of water and electricity should never be in the hands of private enterprise.

Why not? Because they are 'public'?

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Yadda Gold Member Online Posts: 21586 A cat with a view	Re: no such thing as baseline power demand Reply #13 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 11:32am Politicians are ruled by their desire for ['addiction' for] popularity. Corporations know this, and demand from them, what all governments ['by hook or by crook'] are able to provide to them. 1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil.... cynical Yadda.
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Re: no such thing as baseline power demand
Reply #14 - Nov 29^th, 2020 at 11:56am

A lot of Governments around the world are no match for their Private Corporations and Companies.
C.H.O.A.M
Combine Honnete Ober Advancer Mercantiles

...just like all the Car Dealerships work together.

The Australian Government is just barely hanging on. How many more Royal Commissions are they going to be able to afford to do?
Soon Australia will be 'Privatised' above a Republic blanket of smaller 'Privatised' Political nations like Riverina, Capricornia, Cape York, Sterling, Gippsland and more.

It's only holding on via the Gov-Gen for the British and the PM's for the USA - both the International arena of Federal.

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