Gnads wrote on Nov 30
th, 2020 at 6:21am:
freediver wrote on Nov 29
th, 2020 at 10:04am:
Ajax wrote on Nov 29
th, 2020 at 9:25am:
freediver wrote on Nov 29
th, 2020 at 9:19am:
A profit is just as good as a handout.
But didn't you just say the government should stay clear of such issues.....???
If the government doesn't get involved nothing will happen...!!!
We have to hand over tax payer dollars for the private corporations to make a move.
So what is it....???
Does the government get involved....???
YES OR NO.....!!
I think you'll find that people are capable of making money without the government holding their hand.
Quote:Public utilities such as the supply of water and electricity should never be in the hands of private enterprise.
Why not? Because they are 'public'?
No because they are essentials of life & shouldn't be at the dictate of profit driven private companies.
Where has privatisation in these areas reduced prices for the public?
Even water for agriculture has now been turned into a tradable commodity making it affordable only to corporate agriculture.... where in many cases the water trading is where they make the most profit & often becomes the sole business.
This makes buying water unaffordable to smaller farming operators.
Electricity is not an essential. Especially grid electricity. Food is, and we happily let the free market dictate the price of food. And we pay far less because of that.
Dnarever wrote on Nov 30
th, 2020 at 6:28am:
lee wrote on Nov 29
th, 2020 at 1:40pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 29
th, 2020 at 1:34pm:
Correct. Anything that "needs" power has it's own backup generators.
Oh you mean for when that non-existent baseload fails?
Baseload demand cannot fail ? Its a theoretical estimate.
Baseload supply can fail but that is different to this topic - no ?
While baseload demand may be questionable baseload supply isn't - that is very real.
It is also imaginary. We only have a word for it because of the way electricity has traditionally been generated.
It's like explaining to someone who comes from a place that never had tanks or dams that you don't have to leave the taps on.
Gnads wrote on Nov 30
th, 2020 at 6:31am:
freediver wrote on Nov 29
th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
lee wrote on Nov 29
th, 2020 at 12:16pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 29
th, 2020 at 9:09am:
There is no such thing as baseline power demand.
Wrong. If you accept that there is a minimum power requirement - why is that not baseload?
BTW what is Baseline power?
There is no real minimum. It depends entirely on price. For example, under the current crude arrangements, a lot of things run on "off-peak" power because it is cheaper. If it wasn't cheaper, a lot of that demand would evaporate.
Likewise, a lot of the peak demand would disappear if the price paid reflected the current marginal cost of production.
The reason suppliers have come up with the "offpeak" supply & rates for things such as residential hot water systems(that ran 24/7 previously) is to reduce pressure on the system supply to prevent things like brown outs & black outs as they reduce generation capacity with no new power stations being built.
And the new "smart meter" installed now make it so much easier for them to price gouge consumers in the drive for profits.
It was to avoid building extra infrastructure to burn off excess electricity at night when they could not temporarily shut the coal fired power stations down. They would have happily built more infrastructure to cope with peak demand. Off peak barely makes a dent in that.
Gnads wrote on Nov 30
th, 2020 at 6:36am:
freediver wrote on Nov 29
th, 2020 at 1:34pm:
lee wrote on Nov 29
th, 2020 at 1:32pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 29
th, 2020 at 1:20pm:
There is no real minimum. It depends entirely on price.
So bugger the hospitals; they don't need no stinkin' power?
Correct. Anything that "needs" power has it's own
backup generators.
It's all in the name - "backup".
Do you know what that means in this situation?
Or are you suggesting they run on these 24/7?
What I suggest is exactly what I said. Any place that "needs" electricity has their own backup supply,
so your suggestion that patients will die for some reason is rediculous. Not sure why this is a difficult concept to grasp.
You ought go with the concept of giving yourself a good "grasp". I never made that suggestion - why are you such a liar?
But whilst you bought it up - are you saying that people that were on life support/respirators couldn't die if there was no "backup" supply during a blackout?