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Dec 20th, 2020 at 6:01pm
 
Recently, SBS, ABC, and NITIV (and Facebook)have been giving air time to people who claim the institution of slavery existed in the Australian colonies. I can almost understand why NITV might feel the need to give credence to such claims, although they need to be careful it is not justified by bitterness. And SBS seems to have an anti-European style when it comes to the establishment of the Commonwealth. However, the ABC, in its unifying role for all Australians, should be a little more cautious in crediting these claims.

The tone of these accusations aired on major networks are unqualified in their style and imply that the Australian colonies in 1860 were no different to the cotton states of the USA, or the slave marts of Arabian Zanzibar.

There are two industries accused by these media networks. The pearl shell industry from Broome to Thursday Island, and the Queensland sugar industry. I have read extensively of both over many years and consequently I suspect these accusations are not based on objective study. However I am not about to dismiss the claims out of hand, I ask for opinions backed up with references.

I recently saw an unhappy Torres Strait Islander claim his people were forced to dive for pearls because the “White men were greedy.” First of all, it was pearl shell by the ton they were after. Pearls were only ever a rare and lucky bonus. Secondly, the shallow beds were fished out in the 1870s, after which diving suits were necessary, and that required some training and knowledge. I don't know of any instance of an islander being forced into a diving suit with threats of violence or being owned or traded by Europeans. Most divers were Malays or Japanese and they came to Australia to make a living.

The Blackbirding trade ( or kidnapping of islanders) in the South Pacific needs to be separated from legal labour recruiting for the Queensland sugar industry. Queensland was only one area where Island labour was used. The worst and most unlawful were German NewGuinea and Chilean phosphate mines where Islanders were worked to death. In Queensland, there were abuses and deceptions, but to suggest the colony was no better than Alabama in 1860, will require proof. Working in Queensland was not lucrative for the islanders, but many came back more than once. And when they returned to the islands, their favourite purchases were firearms and ammunition.

This is not to say unscrupulous colonial sea captains did not engage in kidnapping at gunpoint. There is one famous in 1870 when HMS Rosario intercepted a schooner that was fitted out like a Spanish slaver. But slavery was against the law in British territory and that is why Rosario was cruising in the islands. Shipping records are something the British have always prided themselves on, and we know the shipping movements for Queensland between 1860 and 1904 when the importation of island labour was stopped. And don't forget that Christian missionaries were effectively fighting the trade also. That is, if you can get over any secular prejudice against them.

I am not trying to sugar coat the harsh aspect of Australian history, but the use of the word “slavery” is serious. So, if anyone has factual information supporting the notion that the institution of slavery existed in Australia, present it here for discussion, but don't bother with innuendo based ethnic grudges.
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Reply #1 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 6:23pm
 
Seems to me you are having two bob each way.

I know nothing about Broome but plenty about Bundaberg and the sugar industry there which is littered with stories confirming 'blackbirding.'

I went to Primary School with their descendants.  The stories are appalling.  Google a bloke whose name is Brian Courtice, a contemporary of mine, and a former Labor Member of Parliament.
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Reply #2 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 6:25pm
 
Total nonsense published by IssueVoter, a slave of the propagators of disinformation:

Issue Voter is a leading disseminator of disinformation and white supremacist propaganda.

https://theconversation.com/was-there-slavery-in-australia-yes-it-shouldnt-even-...

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.Slavery is the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised.

These powers might include non-payment of wages, physical or sexual abuse, controls over freedom of movement, or selling a person like a piece of property. In the words of slavery historian Orlando Patterson, slavery is a form of “social death”.

Slavery has been illegal in the (former) British Empire since the Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade of 1807, and certainly since 1833.

Slavery practices emerged in Australia in the 19th century and in some places endured until the 1950s.

Early coverage of slavery in Australia
As early as the 1860s, anti-slavery campaigners began to invoke “charges of chattel bondage and slavery” to describe north Australian conditions for Aboriginal labour.

In 1891 a “Slave Map of Modern Australia” was printed in the British Anti-Slavery Reporter, a journal that documented slavery around the world and campaigned against it.

Reprinted from English journalist Arthur Vogan’s account of frontier relations in Queensland, it showed large areas where:

… the traffic in Aboriginal labour, both children and adults, had descended into slavery conditions.

Seeds of slavery in Australia
Some 62,000 Melanesian people were brought to Australia and enslaved to work in Queensland’s sugar plantations between 1863 and 1904. First Nations Australians had a more enduring experience of slavery, originally in the pearling industry in Western Australia and the Torres Strait and then in the cattle industry.

In the pastoral industry, employers exercised a high degree of control over “their” Aboriginal workers, who were bought and sold as chattels, particularly where they “went with” the property upon sale. There were restrictions on their freedom of choice and movement. There was cruel treatment and abuse, control of sexuality, and forced labour.

A stock worker at Meda Station in the Kimberley, Jimmy Bird, recalled:

… whitefellas would pull their gun out and kill any Aborigines who stood up to them. And there was none of this taking your time to pull up your boots either. No fear!

Aboriginal woman Ruby de Satge, who worked on a Queensland station, described the Queensland Protection Act as meaning:

if you are sitting down minding your own business, a station manager can come up to you and say, “I want a couple of blackfellows” … Just like picking up a cat or a dog.

Through their roles under the legislation, police, Aboriginal protectors and pastoral managers were complicit in this force.

Slavery was sanctioned by Australian law
Legislation facilitated the enslavement of Aboriginal people across the Northern Territory, Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland. Under the South Australian Aborigines Act 1911, the government empowered police to “inspect workers and their conditions” but not to uphold basic working conditions or enforce payment. The Aboriginals Ordinance 1918 (Cth) allowed the forced recruitment of Indigenous workers in the Northern Territory, and legalised the non-payment of wages.

In Queensland, the licence system was effectively a blank cheque to recruit Aboriginal people into employment without their consent. Amendments to the Aboriginal Protection and Restriction of the Sale of Opium Act 1897 gave powers to the Protector or police officer to “expend” their wages or invest them in a trust fund – which was never paid out.

Officials were well aware that “slavery” was a public relations problem. The Chief Protector in the Northern Territory noted in 1927 that pastoral workers:

… are kept in a servitude that is nothing short of slavery.

In the early 1930s, Chief Protector Dr Cecil Cook pointed out Australia was in breach of its obligations under the League of Nations Slavery Convention.

‘… it certainly exists here in its worst form’
Accusations of slavery continued into the 1930s, including through the British Commonwealth League.

In 1932 the North Australian Workers’ Union (NAWU) characterised Aboriginal workers as “slaves”. Unionist Owen Rowe argued:

If there is no slavery in the British Empire then the NT is not part of the British Empire; for it certainly exists here in its worst form.

In the 1940s, anthropologists Ronald and Catherine Berndt surveyed conditions on cattle stations owned by Lord Vestey, commenting that Aboriginal people:

… owned neither the huts in which they lived nor the land on which these were built, they had no rights of tenure, and in some cases have been sold or transferred with the property.

In 1958, counsel for the well-known Aboriginal artist Albert Namatjira argued that the Welfare Ordinance 1953 (Cth) was unconstitutional, because the enacting legislation was:

… a law for the enslavement of part of the population of the Northern Territory. ...
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Reply #3 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 6:28pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 6:01pm:
Recently, SBS, ABC, and NITIV (and Facebook)have been giving air time to people who claim the institution of slavery existed in the Australian colonies. I can almost understand why NITV might feel the need to give credence to such claims, although they need to be careful it is not justified by bitterness. And SBS seems to have an anti-European style when it comes to the establishment of the Commonwealth. However, the ABC, in its unifying role for all Australians, should be a little more cautious in crediting these claims.

The tone of these accusations aired on major networks are unqualified in their style and imply that the Australian colonies in 1860 were no different to the cotton states of the USA, or the slave marts of Arabian Zanzibar.

There are two industries accused by these media networks. The pearl shell industry from Broome to Thursday Island, and the Queensland sugar industry. I have read extensively of both over many years and consequently I suspect these accusations are not based on objective study. However I am not about to dismiss the claims out of hand, I ask for opinions backed up with references.

I recently saw an unhappy Torres Strait Islander claim his people were forced to dive for pearls because the “White men were greedy.” First of all, it was pearl shell by the ton they were after. Pearls were only ever a rare and lucky bonus. Secondly, the shallow beds were fished out in the 1870s, after which diving suits were necessary, and that required some training and knowledge. I don't know of any instance of an islander being forced into a diving suit with threats of violence or being owned or traded by Europeans. Most divers were Malays or Japanese and they came to Australia to make a living.

The Blackbirding trade ( or kidnapping of islanders) in the South Pacific needs to be separated from legal labour recruiting for the Queensland sugar industry. Queensland was only one area where Island labour was used. The worst and most unlawful were German NewGuinea and Chilean phosphate mines where Islanders were worked to death. In Queensland, there were abuses and deceptions, but to suggest the colony was no better than Alabama in 1860, will require proof. Working in Queensland was not lucrative for the islanders, but many came back more than once. And when they returned to the islands, their favourite purchases were firearms and ammunition.

This is not to say unscrupulous colonial sea captains did not engage in kidnapping at gunpoint. There is one famous in 1870 when HMS Rosario intercepted a schooner that was fitted out like a Spanish slaver. But slavery was against the law in British territory and that is why Rosario was cruising in the islands. Shipping records are something the British have always prided themselves on, and we know the shipping movements for Queensland between 1860 and 1904 when the importation of island labour was stopped. And don't forget that Christian missionaries were effectively fighting the trade also. That is, if you can get over any secular prejudice against them.

I am not trying to sugar coat the harsh aspect of Australian history, but the use of the word “slavery” is serious. So, if anyone has factual information supporting the notion that the institution of slavery existed in Australia, present it here for discussion, but don't bother with innuendo based ethnic grudges.


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Reply #4 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:05pm
 
We could argue the differences between ‘slavery’ and simple ‘exploitation’. I doubt however those suffering appalling treatment in the early Australian shearing industry would care to make the distinction. Patsy Adam Smith’s “The Shearers” (Publ’ Thomas Nelson 1982) paints a very grim picture of how these men were treated by the industry. Treated across Australia so badly they initiated the first Union movement in the country.
Adam Smith writes “In many agreements shearers were forced to sign in pre-union days, a clause gave power to the employer to refuse to pay anything at all for a sheep which he considered had not been shorn properly. He therefore ‘raddled’ such sheep by putting a mark on it , and it would not be counted. Many of the squatters went one better than this, and if they found one sheep badly done they condemned the whole penful, and would not pay for any of them”

Slavery is alive and well today in Australia in the prostitution industry with many sex workers totally misled as to what they were getting into ending up being threatened with exposure to immigration authorities and kept in virtual imprisonment in their place of work. The high risk of contracting Covid 19 makes this doubly exploitative.
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Reply #5 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:09pm
 
Yes, blackbirding was slavery. It was a different kind and not as institutionalised as in the antebellum USA.  To compare the two is disingenuous, as are comparisons with the Arab slave markets of Zanzibar.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:17pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:05pm:
We could argue the differences between ‘slavery’ and simple ‘exploitation’. I doubt however those suffering appalling treatment in the early Australian shearing industry would care to make the distinction. Patsy Adam Smith’s “The Shearers” (Publ’ Thomas Nelson 1982) paints a very grim picture of how these men were treated by the industry. Treated across Australia so badly they initiated the first Union movement in the country.
Adam Smith writes “In many agreements shearers were forced to sign in pre-union days, a clause gave power to the employer to refuse to pay anything at all for a sheep which he considered had not been shorn properly. He therefore ‘raddled’ such sheep by putting a mark on it , and it would not be counted. Many of the squatters went one better than this, and if they found one sheep badly done they condemned the whole penful, and would not pay for any of them”

Slavery is alive and well today in Australia in the prostitution industry with many sex workers totally misled as to what they were getting into ending up being threatened with exposure to immigration authorities and kept in virtual imprisonment in their place of work. The high risk of contracting Covid 19 makes this doubly exploitative.


We had one member here who proudly spoke about using male prostitutes in Thailand.  Most prostitutes in Thailand, male and female start when under-age and are taken from their parents by loan sharks who can't pay a debt or tricked in some way, often told their children will be given legitimate work.

Anyone who uses prostitution particularly in a developing country is a piece of crap and a user of slave.

HELLO BUZZ YOU EXPLOITATIVE PIECE OF FILTH.

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Reply #7 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:29pm
 
Cute:

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Anyone who uses prostitution particularly in a developing country is a piece of crap and a user of slave.


So what say ye about anyone in Australia, Sydney, Northern Beaches whose income knowingly included the proceeds of crime, one very akin to slavery?
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Aussie wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:29pm:
Cute:

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Anyone who uses prostitution particularly in a developing country is a piece of crap and a user of slave.


So what say ye about anyone in Australia, Sydney, Northern Beaches whose income knowingly included the proceeds of crime, one very akin to slavery?


Piss off, disgraced lawyer.
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Reply #9 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:40pm
 
Nope, answer us this, our self righteous one!

So what say ye about anyone in Australia, Sydney, Northern Beaches whose income knowingly included the proceeds of crime, one very akin to slavery?
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Reply #10 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:46pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:40pm:
Nope, answer us this, our self righteous one!

So what say ye about anyone in Australia, Sydney, Northern Beaches whose income knowingly included the proceeds of crime, one very akin to slavery?


Go pin a retard to a tree you bulbous nosed clit wondering stalker.

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Reply #11 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 8:05pm
 
I guess the question is too close to the bone, is it?  Or is it too hard.  Come on self righteous big mouth.

So what say ye about anyone in Australia, Sydney, Northern Beaches whose income knowingly included the proceeds of crime, one very akin to slavery?

If you are struggling, you can always suck up to cods and ask about her dishwasher, and she might give you a hand, but I doubt she can get you out of this, or any other hole. 

Maybe, you need to make a huge apology to Buzz, ey?  That might work.
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Reply #12 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 8:09pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:38pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 20th, 2020 at 7:29pm:
Cute:

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Anyone who uses prostitution particularly in a developing country is a piece of crap and a user of slave.


So what say ye about anyone in Australia, Sydney, Northern Beaches whose income knowingly included the proceeds of crime, one very akin to slavery?


Piss off, disgraced lawyer.



did you tell him that whilst you were having dinner with him? or did you wait until the cheque was cashed?
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Reply #13 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 8:22pm
 
Lot of Asians in Australia hate how the Aboriginals get heaps of money, rights and benefits and still throw their crap around - while they get only $3 an hour fruit-pickin.

Gonna be a Civil War between Black lovers and Yellow lovers again.
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Reply #14 - Dec 20th, 2020 at 8:40pm
 
lets not forget all the so called convicts that came with the first fleet and there after!  all SLAVE labour its what got the country started....they too where treated terrible  it was the times  they knew no different....

one day this country will  grow up and realise it happened in the PAST it isnt happening now...and thats what matters.......can we change the past??? anyone know???? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes come on dont keep it to yourselves..


all you high and mighty .[white] people  seem to think we can...so whats your plan..

or do you just like sounding pompous and condescending...... while you bleed all over your keyboards..
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