Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 7:58pm:


Well, if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Christianity DID have a reformation and enlightenment and Christianity today is very unobtrusive in the lives of most people.

The Quran Is the Perfect, Infallible Word of God, that's the great big trip wire which stops Islamic progress and seeded the anti-intellectualism which sent Islam backwards while the western world progressed.

All religious texts have parts which are horror shows, but you need care less about what's actually in the texts but how strictly they're followed.

The followers of Islam are very adherent to their texts which micromanage every part of their lives, therefore, Islam is far more toxic in application than any other religion.

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2021 at 1:47pm:

You appear to believe Christianity is a single theology/doctrine when it’s a mongrel mix of often contradictory groups each believing God is on their side.
You can sidestep the problem by defining Christians as those who follow the techings of Christ in the New Testament. (if you believe such to be an accurate report) However, that leaves you with the problem of The Old Testament, a document almost as bloodthirsty as the Koran in parts.

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 9^th, 2021 at 11:16am:



You can't have a New Testament unless you have an Old testament. New makes sense only if there is an old one to reference.

moses wrote on Jan 9^th, 2021 at 4:32pm:
So, you define Christianity as a sect that follows ’the paragons of Christ'? I presume you mean Christ as paragon? No way can you claim all who regard themselves as Christians do so. In other words you have managed a slippery avoidance of all the central problems I’ve drawn attention to.

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Well, who else should be? It’s a circular argument.

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And who decides which parts of the New Testament embody the correct criteria? Do you include Paul’s demented ravings or only those passages some claim are the words of Christ?

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A problem that was solved long ago Ayn.

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The Jews take this to mean that the many evil deeds the Hebrews pursued in the taking of the promised land, became null and void once they gained the promised land

The N.T. tells Christians:

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Puts a clear time frame on the ancient Mosaic law, it became redundant 2021 years ago.

As verified by the following:
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The Jews gave up theire barbaric ways? May I suggest you focus on recent middle eastern events?

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That’s your interpretation of my words.

Your solution to the problem of the Old Testament is no more than sophistry and biblical apologetics. Given what you admit of it’s contents why is that text still read out from Christian pulpits and regarded as the Word of God? You can’t play the game of choosing which parts of the Bible are the Words of The Almighty and which aren’t. simply by asserting “Oh, the naughty bits can’t have been from God, only the good bits."
As to Islam being the dregs, yes , in many ways it is but so many of the religions followed by our species are evil documents. I fail to see why you continually need to place Islam at the top of your list of evil theologies.
In the end though this discussion is pointless given you’re a ’true believer’ in what you take to be your particular Lord’s words and the sadistic nature of his Father, who is actually himself.(If you swallow the fantastic idiocy of trinitarian theology.)
A deity who is supposed to possess omniscience yet grants free will to humanity fully aware where that would lead thus requiring the torture of Christ on the cross to redeem sins he made possible in the first place? Oh, I know, it’s a mystery whose twisted, sad-masochist morality we shouldn’t question.
Never mind, Mathew Ch 16, V 21 & 23 will let you off that particular hook.
This discussion is at an end.

Ayn Marx wrote: Reply #37 - Yesterday at 5:27pm
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I am the one who is disputing your allegations that all men who say they are Christian actually are.

I am saying that man has to fit the criteria set down by Christ, to be a Christian.

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You agree that Christ is the supreme authority of Christianity, yet you say men who disobey his teachings actually are Christians, simply be cause they say they are?

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The teachings of  Christ are the ultimate authority, if there is some doubt as to what to do.

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May I suggest to you that their doctrine tells them not to do the things required to take the promised land, these deeds are null and void. You seem to be trying to tell us that because some Jews may have acted wrongly this is the proof that their doctrine is evil.

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The bible explains that God is a spirit whose kingdom is within man, that man should worship in spirit and truth.

Men have spoken the words contained in the Bible.

The words of the Bible reflect the inner self of the various authors over assorted periods of time.

Spirit does exist right / wrong, does exist. The God of the Judaeo - Christian religions is meant to represent the Spirit of Righteousness.

I place islam at the top of the satanical list because its' commands to lie, thieve, commit pedophilia, rape, torture and slaughter are all being followed faithfully by muslims globally, right now the 21st century.

The Qur'an is the direct cause and  motivation of this present day evil behaviour, of the muslim islamists.

These atrocities will never stop until the world is honest about the teachings of islam allah muhammad and the qur'an.

Your smokescreens about other beliefs is not helping to stop these human rights atrocities at all, in fact your smokescreens are seen as moral support for the atrocities of the muslim islamists.

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2021 at 6:47pm:


Um yes FD. You said its possible to "satisfy all 5 tenets without believing anything". I pointed out that this is completely nonsensical given that the first tenet is literally all about belief. You then responded by referring to people who merely want to avoid getting their heads chopped off. So I clarify that I'm not talking about those sort of 'save-their-skins'-muslims-but-not-really.

The *point* of course being, that your muslims but not really muslims that you were referring to, could not possibly be "satisfying all 5 tenets" as you claimed - if they are not satisfying the all important "belief" tenet could they?

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Oh look, FD once against misses the straightest answer possible to this question that I've already given. Its uncanny isn't it FD?

Shall we start with what arabic words are used to describe "fasting", "fighting" and "killing" - where they occur and in what context? Of course it goes without saying you've already forgotton our discussion of what "fighting", in its various forms thoughout the Quran, actually means, and which ones refer to physical violence and which do not - as well as the need to consider the use of "killing" when it is to condemn and forbid it.

But I'll go out on a limb and say that (without going through the entire book for you), specific references to "fasting" are more prevalent than specific references to sanctioning killing of other people. But of course you would already know that, since I already clearly indicated this in reply#7 - right FD?


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Right, so now you are objecting to using the words "pillars" and "tenets" interchangeably? Could you get any more ridiculous. Wait, don't answer that.

ten·et
/ˈtenət/
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noun
plural noun: tenets
a principle or belief, especially one of the main principles of a religion or philosophy.
"the tenets of a democratic society"

Dare I say, fasting is a "principle or belief" of Islam.

It is also a major pillar of the religion.

Only an inane pedant who has no interest in a meaningful discussion would find anything wrong with the above statement.

moses wrote on Jan 13^th, 2021 at 1:53pm:


As  soon as Christians do the same with their Bible, Moses.  Tsk, tsk, now who is that said "he without sin cast the first stone"?  Christians sin as often and sometimes far worse than Muslims.  Some Muslims sin but not all Muslims do.  Time to grow up and accept responsibility for the acts of members of your own religion, Moses.  No more jettisoning them simply because you don't agree with them.  If you expect all Muslims to accept responsibility for what a minority do, you should lead the way.