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Re: Covid-19 madness
Reply #60 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:24pm

Bobby

I was talking to a phillipino whose family still live in the Philippines.

No one is concerned about covid and it hasn't increased deaths to any extent.

Why?

Because phillipino s are all skinny and they don't have a health system like the west that keeps 85 Yos with diabetes and heart disease alive to " linger"

So this rather weak virus has little effect.

It is the west that has gone against nature , telling morbidly obese people with garbage health they are entitled to gold standard health care forever.

They never should have been told that.

The very old and chronically diseased should not be in ICU .

iICU is for a young person involved in a car accident or who nearly drowns or a newborn baby where they can live a long healthy life.

No 85 yo with several diseases has any prospect of doing that.

We are expecting medicine to do much more than it was ever intended to do

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Reply #61 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:43pm

Hi Aqua,
when I was boy -
a very long time ago -
people used to die at the age of say 55
and people would say "that person died of old age."
Even the newspapers would say that.
There were no reasons given such as
coronary artery embolism etc.
Old age used to kill people.
Now - people are on a dozen medications per day
and they can keep them alive until 85 or 90
but of course they end up for years in nursing homes
unable to move - being taken out of bed and put
into wheel chairs using a crane.
Are we really doing the right thing?

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Re: Covid-19 madness
Reply #62 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:43pm:

Hi Aqua,
when I was boy -
a very long time ago -
people used to die at the age of say 55
and people would say "that person died of old age."
Even the newspapers would say that.
There were no reasons given such as
coronary artery embolism etc.
Old age used to kill people.
Now - people are on a dozen medications per day
and they can keep them alive until 85 or 90
but of course they end up for years in nursing homes
unable to move - being taken out of bed and put
into wheel chairs using a crane.
Are we really doing the right thing?

They are probably living longer because of better diet, less smoking, and better OHS practices in the workforce Wink

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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Re: Covid-19 madness
Reply #63 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:52pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:43pm:

Hi Aqua,
when I was boy -
a very long time ago -
people used to die at the age of say 55
and people would say "that person died of old age."
Even the newspapers would say that.
There were no reasons given such as
coronary artery embolism etc.
Old age used to kill people.
Now - people are on a dozen medications per day
and they can keep them alive until 85 or 90
but of course they end up for years in nursing homes
unable to move - being taken out of bed and put
into wheel chairs using a crane.
Are we really doing the right thing?

They are probably living longer because of better diet, less smoking, and better OHS practices in the workforce Wink

Hi Nail,
I reckon it's more about the magic pills that keep people alive.
Only millionaires could afford to smoke now.
A packet of 25 cigarettes is over $50.

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Re: Covid-19 madness
Reply #64 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:43pm:

Hi Aqua,
when I was boy -
a very long time ago -
people used to die at the age of say 55
and people would say "that person died of old age."
Even the newspapers would say that.
There were no reasons given such as
coronary artery embolism etc.
Old age used to kill people.
Now - people are on a dozen medications per day
and they can keep them alive until 85 or 90
but of course they end up for years in nursing homes
unable to move - being taken out of bed and put
into wheel chairs using a crane.
Are we really doing the right thing?

They are probably living longer because of better diet, less smoking, and better OHS practices in the workforce Wink

Hi Nail,
I reckon it's more about the magic pills that keep people alive.
Only millionaires could afford to smoke now.
A packet of 25 cigarettes is over $50.

Also we have much better dental health care so people don't die of blood poisoning from a tooth abscess which was quite common in the early times !

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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Re: Covid-19 madness
Reply #65 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 3:04pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:43pm:

Hi Aqua,
when I was boy -
a very long time ago -
people used to die at the age of say 55
and people would say "that person died of old age."
Even the newspapers would say that.
There were no reasons given such as
coronary artery embolism etc.
Old age used to kill people.
Now - people are on a dozen medications per day
and they can keep them alive until 85 or 90
but of course they end up for years in nursing homes
unable to move - being taken out of bed and put
into wheel chairs using a crane.
Are we really doing the right thing?

They are probably living longer because of better diet, less smoking, and better OHS practices in the workforce Wink

Nail, I don't think our diet is better.

I think bobby is right.

More and more tablets to keep people alive.
And those tablets make big pharma companies a fortune.

Most of the medications are paid for by the taxpayer.
Most are taken by the old and frail .
Big pharma is a major donor to doctors and governments.
I think that's why a lot of governments are reluctant to pass voluntary euthanasia laws.
It would cost big pharma a fortune.
And now big pharma gets to make 100s of billions by selling vaccines, maybe 6 monthly
And all to protect big pharmas cash cows....the old frail diabetic with heart disease.

And they closed gyms in brisbane because of one case.
But left maccas open
Something is telling me, big money and paid for politicians want to keep the cash cow growing Wink

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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Covid-19 madness Reply #66 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 3:29pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:43pm: Hi Aqua, when I was boy - a very long time ago - people used to die at the age of say 55 and people would say "that person died of old age." Were you alive in Victorian times?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107236 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Covid-19 madness Reply #67 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 7:09pm The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 3:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:43pm: Hi Aqua, when I was boy - a very long time ago - people used to die at the age of say 55 and people would say "that person died of old age." Were you alive in Victorian times? Not quite that old.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75280 Gender:	Re: Covid-19 madness Reply #68 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 7:33pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:43pm: Hi Aqua, when I was boy - a very long time ago - people used to die at the age of say 55 and people would say "that person died of old age." Was that your ten year old mates?
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Re: Covid-19 madness
Reply #69 - Jan 13^th, 2021 at 10:42am

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/scientists-call-for-pause-on-astrazene...

Scientists call for pause on AstraZeneca vaccine rollout.

The Australian and New Zealand Society for Immunology says the federal government should immediately pause the planned rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine because it may not be effective enough to generate herd immunity.

Phase three clinical trials of the vaccine, which is the centrepiece of Australia's vaccination strategy, show it is only 62 per cent effective in preventing COVID-19 when given in the recommended dose. Trials suggest vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna are about 95 per cent effective.

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Re: Covid-19 madness
Reply #70 - Jan 13^th, 2021 at 11:29am

The death rate for Nipah virus
is up to 75% and it has no vaccine.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210106-nipah-virus-how-bats-could-cause-the...

While the world focuses on Covid-19, scientists are working hard to ensure it doesn't cause the next pandemic.

It was 3 January 2020, and Supaporn Wacharapluesadee was standing by, awaiting a delivery. Word had spread that there was some kind of respiratory disease affecting people in Wuhan, China, and with the Lunar New Year approaching, many Chinese tourists were headed to neighbouring Thailand to celebrate. Cautiously, the Thai government began screening passengers arriving from Wuhan at the airport, and a few select labs – including Wacharapluesadee's – were chosen to process the samples to try to detect the problem.

Wacharapluesadee is an expert virus hunter. She runs the Thai Red Cross Emerging Infectious Disease-Health Science Centre in Bangkok. Over the past 10 years, she's been part of Predict, a worldwide effort to detect and stop diseases that can jump from non-human animals to humans.

She and her team have sampled many species. But their main focus has been on bats, which are known to harbour many coronaviruses.

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Reply #72 - Jan 13^th, 2021 at 11:02pm

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/13/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html

(CNN)The US reported its highest daily number of Covid-19 deaths on Tuesday with more than

4,320 fatalities attributed to the virus in one day

It marked the second time -- both this month and since the pandemic's start -- that the US reported more than 4,000 Covid-19 deaths in a single day.
Over the past week, the US has averaged more than 3,300 deaths every day, a jump of more than 217% from mid-November.

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Re: Covid-19 madness
Reply #73 - Jan 14^th, 2021 at 7:15am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:24pm:

Bobby

I was talking to a phillipino whose family still live in the Philippines.

No one is concerned about covid and it hasn't increased deaths to any extent.

Why?

Because phillipino s are all skinny and they don't have a health system like the west that keeps 85 Yos with diabetes and heart disease alive to " linger"

So this rather weak virus has little effect.

It is the west that has gone against nature , telling morbidly obese people with garbage health they are entitled to gold standard health care forever.

They never should have been told that.

The very old and chronically diseased should not be in ICU .

iICU is for a young person involved in a car accident or who nearly drowns or a newborn baby where they can live a long healthy life.

No 85 yo with several diseases has any prospect of doing that.

We are expecting medicine to do much more than it was ever intended to do

I hope one of your kids have to wheel you out to the back paddock & put you down with a shot behind the ear.

An appalling attitude. Roll Eyes

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Re: Covid-19 madness
Reply #74 - Jan 14^th, 2021 at 7:24am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 13^th, 2021 at 11:29am:

The death rate for Nipah virus
is up to 75% and it has no vaccine.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210106-nipah-virus-how-bats-could-cause-the...

While the world focuses on Covid-19, scientists are working hard to ensure it doesn't cause the next pandemic.

It was 3 January 2020, and Supaporn Wacharapluesadee was standing by, awaiting a delivery. Word had spread that there was some kind of respiratory disease affecting people in Wuhan, China, and with the Lunar New Year approaching, many Chinese tourists were headed to neighbouring Thailand to celebrate. Cautiously, the Thai government began screening passengers arriving from Wuhan at the airport, and a few select labs – including Wacharapluesadee's – were chosen to process the samples to try to detect the problem.

Wacharapluesadee is an expert virus hunter. She runs the Thai Red Cross Emerging Infectious Disease-Health Science Centre in Bangkok. Over the past 10 years, she's been part of Predict, a worldwide effort to detect and stop diseases that can jump from non-human animals to humans.

She and her team have sampled many species. But their main focus has been on bats, which are known to harbour many coronaviruses.

All the more reason Council authorities should hunt flying fox roosts out of suburban & CBD roosts.

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