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Reply #105 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 4:19pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 7:15am:
Richdude wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 1:26am:


If America goes under, so do you.


That's true.

Thank 'god' the US Constitution, and the institutions that support it, held firm.

Had that not been the case, the US would today be under martial law and the white trash that infests the US would now be 2 weeks into dismantling US democracy.

Thankfully the would-be-if-they-could-be insurrectionists are as blood-simple as their ancestors.

It's true about revolutions and civil wars: they may sometimes be necessary but their cultural legacy and backlash can take hundreds of years to dissipate, if ever.


and yet you call for the overthrowing of the wildly successful competant president xi
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Reply #106 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 4:25pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2021 at 4:19pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 7:15am:
Richdude wrote on Jan 20th, 2021 at 1:26am:


If America goes under, so do you.


That's true.

Thank 'god' the US Constitution, and the institutions that support it, held firm.

Had that not been the case, the US would today be under martial law and the white trash that infests the US would now be 2 weeks into dismantling US democracy.

Thankfully the would-be-if-they-could-be insurrectionists are as blood-simple as their ancestors.

It's true about revolutions and civil wars: they may sometimes be necessary but their cultural legacy and backlash can take hundreds of years to dissipate, if ever.


and yet you call for the overthrowing of the wildly successful competant president xi

Hyperbolic idiocy in defense of a totalitarian is not much less reprehensible than intellectual calculation.
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Reply #107 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 5:03pm
 
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No the account is still based on that big lie.
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Reply #108 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 5:08pm
 
Richdude wrote on Jan 10th, 2021 at 11:25pm:
Last Wednesdays Gathering in Washington


An American Perspective on the DC Tragedy
On Wednesday January 6th 2021,
over a half a million Americans gathered to peacefully rally and petition their government to honor and protect our election from fraud and corruption, and to restore the integrity of the 2020 vote. It was a gathering of good and decent people. They came forth as the best of our nation and shouldered the responsibility of petitioning our representatives to protect our elections and ensure that our vote was clean and legal and the election open and transparent. They gathered in hopes of preserving our Republic for all Americans.

The over half million rallied as they have done for the last decade. They were of good spirits and positive despite the abuses, threats and violence inflicted on them over the last decade. They are the best of America in so many ways. The DC mayor removed the hundreds of portable bathrooms during the night from around the Washington Monument. The restaurants were shut down and the food truck vendors were banned. She acted in ways that are indefensible for a mayor to treat Americans depraving them of access to bathrooms, food and water. The weather was sub-freezing with a strong north west wind of 20 mph and gusty. The grounds were soggy and the cold crept through the moist grounds through shoes and socks after 6 hours of standing out in the elements, but throughout all of this, the crowd remained in good spirits.

President Trump was masterful in presenting the case of massive coordinated voter fraud on an epic historic scale throughout the nation and in particular, in the 6 contested states. The evidence was compelling and irrefutable. It reminded all of the efforts by the major media organs and the social media platforms to suppress, shutdown and censored the fact and evidenced from ever reaching the light of day.  At the end, the president asked the faithful to present themselves to the Capital peacefully. We are and have always been law abiding and supporters of police, so there was no issue about the right to petition our representatives on the matter of protecting our vote and the results of the 2020 election. WE looked restoration of the vote of millions of legal voters.

The violence and mayhem that occurred was not connected in any way to President Trump or the patriots that assembled. As Chairman of the Virginia Tea Party, I condemn lawlessness and violence that occurred at the Capital as I have condemned the violence, looting, arson, assaulting, killing that our nation suffered through all last year by the left-wing hate groups like Antifa and BLM.

So we who assembled for this DC Stop the Steal MAGA rally are proud of our participation and involvement and condemned the incidents of violence that distracted from our good faith effort to protect the voting rights of all Americans and to seek restoration of the millions of legal votes that were negated in the voting fraud operations conducted and orchestrated by the democrats.

No regrets from the many who attended. I applaud all those peaceful and conscientious patriots that gathered on Wednesday and I am proud to be counted among the faithful who stood that day before our President and our Congress. I was honored to be able to help bring a group from my area and neither they nor I ever regretted that decision to come to DC and make a stand for our Republic.

I love our nation and our freedoms. It is a fading hope, but it remains my sincere desire that we Americans can recognize one another as Americans once again.

May God Bless and Keep all of you and may He grant our nation cleansing of the evil that was inflicted on our nation and on our elections and make it so that America is made Great again.



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At the end, the president asked the faithful to present themselves to the Capital peacefully.


Was that when he told them to go down there and to fight like hell ?

The aim was to stop the vote count, singing kumbaya out in the street was never going to achieve this aim.

Funny that the guy behind this article clearly had no intention of following the advice from the speeches or the presidents directive.
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Reply #109 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 9:25pm
 


Another truthful account, this one of the election fraud.

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A "close, tight, dubious election" - with a margin of seven million votes and the same electoral college margin as Trump, 2016.

You have to admire the mendacity. Imagine if Hillary had tried this.

You, old boy, take the cake - the most tendentious, hyperbolic agit-prop cadre here, and a devious NESBer to boot.

And we wouldn't have it any other way. Rich multiculural tapestry indeed, innit.

Quite so.
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Reply #111 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 10:50pm
 
Lock her up.
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Reply #112 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 10:51pm
 
Stop the Steal.
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Reply #113 - Apr 19th, 2021 at 10:51pm
 
DRAIN THE SWAMP.
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Reply #114 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 8:30am
 
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Makes me wonder - What is a A Truthful account without the truth ?

Guess it is just an account.
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Reply #115 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 3:44pm
 
The Trump campaign’s vote fraud lawsuits crashed and burned because the standard of proof required by a court to overturn an election is extremely high. Proof of some fraud, or a statistical proof that the outcome was highly improbable, do not meet that standard. It must be proven that sufficient votes were stolen or invented to change the outcome. No one can collect that kind of information in a few weeks. But it can be collected in months or years, and that’s what it will take.

Either we are in this for the duration, or we’ve lost. But we have not lost yet. There was massive fraud. Whether there was sufficient fraud to determine the outcome is beside the point. Large parts of the Democratic Party are criminal organizations and have to be held accountable.
Civil suits require a much lower standard of proof. Criminal cases must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, but civil suits require only “the preponderance of the evidence.” We may not be able to produce enough phony ballots or enough affidavits from Trump voters to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the results were fudged, but civil cases can produce a preponderance of evidence of fraud. Statistical arguments don’t hold water before a judge considering whether to overturn an election, but they contribute to preponderance of evidence.

Every Trump elector or Republican candidate who lost due to suspected fraud can sue the relevant Democratic Party apparatchiks in civil court. These lawsuits allow interrogation of the miscreants under oath. If we can’t put them in jail for vote fraud, we can get them on perjury. And we can wreak merry havoc on the Democratic Party organizations, and make mid-level officials pay the price for the nefarious schemes of their superiors. The rank-and-file fraudsters and the local party machines are the soft underbelly of the Democratic Party. That’s where it is vulnerable to a sustained and relentless attack.

This will require patience and the participation of tens of thousands of volunteers, as well as a good deal of money (although it might eventually pay for itself through the collection of civil damages).  Civil suits have been litigated successfully against vote fraud for years. Thousands of such suits would ruin the Democrats.

There was enough fraud to catch the Democrats’ collective necktie in the wringer.
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2021/01/11/heres-how-we-flatten-the-democratic-part
y-during-the-next-four-years-n1332570


In any case, this will be the last Democrat prez for a very long time.  Biden has no electable successor  among the Dems. He is their last, farcical hurray.
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Reply #116 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 4:22pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 20th, 2021 at 3:44pm:
The Trump campaign’s vote fraud lawsuits crashed and burned because the standard of proof required by a court to overturn an election is extremely high.


That, coupled with the fact that they had no evidence whatsoever.

Oh, and the main reason of course: T****'s lawyers admitted to the courts that they were NOT pursuing a fraud case.
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Reply #117 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 4:25pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 20th, 2021 at 4:22pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 20th, 2021 at 3:44pm:
The Trump campaign’s vote fraud lawsuits crashed and burned because the standard of proof required by a court to overturn an election is extremely high.


That, coupled with the fact that they had no evidence whatsoever.

Oh, and the main reason of course: T****'s lawyers admitted to the courts that they were NOT pursuing a fraud case.


In case you don't believe me:

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Reply #118 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 4:43pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 20th, 2021 at 3:44pm:
The Trump campaign’s vote fraud lawsuits crashed and burned because the standard of proof required by a court to overturn an election is extremely high. Proof of some fraud, or a statistical proof that the outcome was highly improbable, do not meet that standard. It must be proven that sufficient votes were stolen or invented to change the outcome. No one can collect that kind of information in a few weeks. But it can be collected in months or years, and that’s what it will take.

Either we are in this for the duration, or we’ve lost. But we have not lost yet. There was massive fraud. Whether there was sufficient fraud to determine the outcome is beside the point. Large parts of the Democratic Party are criminal organizations and have to be held accountable.
Civil suits require a much lower standard of proof. Criminal cases must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, but civil suits require only “the preponderance of the evidence.” We may not be able to produce enough phony ballots or enough affidavits from Trump voters to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the results were fudged, but civil cases can produce a preponderance of evidence of fraud. Statistical arguments don’t hold water before a judge considering whether to overturn an election, but they contribute to preponderance of evidence.

Every Trump elector or Republican candidate who lost due to suspected fraud can sue the relevant Democratic Party apparatchiks in civil court. These lawsuits allow interrogation of the miscreants under oath. If we can’t put them in jail for vote fraud, we can get them on perjury. And we can wreak merry havoc on the Democratic Party organizations, and make mid-level officials pay the price for the nefarious schemes of their superiors. The rank-and-file fraudsters and the local party machines are the soft underbelly of the Democratic Party. That’s where it is vulnerable to a sustained and relentless attack.

This will require patience and the participation of tens of thousands of volunteers, as well as a good deal of money (although it might eventually pay for itself through the collection of civil damages).  Civil suits have been litigated successfully against vote fraud for years. Thousands of such suits would ruin the Democrats.

There was enough fraud to catch the Democrats’ collective necktie in the wringer.
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2021/01/11/heres-how-we-flatten-the-democratic-part
y-during-the-next-four-years-n1332570


In any case, this will be the last Democrat prez for a very long time.  Biden has no electable successor  among the Dems. He is their last, farcical hurray.


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The Trump campaign’s vote fraud lawsuits crashed and burned because the standard of proof required by a court to overturn an election is extremely high.


As it should be but it would not have made a difference if the bar was very low.

There wasn't weak evidence - there was no evidence. All they had was disproven conspiracy theories that they all knew were false.

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There was massive fraud.


There was virtually no fraud.
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Reply #119 - Apr 20th, 2021 at 4:46pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 20th, 2021 at 4:43pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 20th, 2021 at 3:44pm:
The Trump campaign’s vote fraud lawsuits crashed and burned because the standard of proof required by a court to overturn an election is extremely high. Proof of some fraud, or a statistical proof that the outcome was highly improbable, do not meet that standard. It must be proven that sufficient votes were stolen or invented to change the outcome. No one can collect that kind of information in a few weeks. But it can be collected in months or years, and that’s what it will take.

Either we are in this for the duration, or we’ve lost. But we have not lost yet. There was massive fraud. Whether there was sufficient fraud to determine the outcome is beside the point. Large parts of the Democratic Party are criminal organizations and have to be held accountable.
Civil suits require a much lower standard of proof. Criminal cases must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, but civil suits require only “the preponderance of the evidence.” We may not be able to produce enough phony ballots or enough affidavits from Trump voters to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the results were fudged, but civil cases can produce a preponderance of evidence of fraud. Statistical arguments don’t hold water before a judge considering whether to overturn an election, but they contribute to preponderance of evidence.

Every Trump elector or Republican candidate who lost due to suspected fraud can sue the relevant Democratic Party apparatchiks in civil court. These lawsuits allow interrogation of the miscreants under oath. If we can’t put them in jail for vote fraud, we can get them on perjury. And we can wreak merry havoc on the Democratic Party organizations, and make mid-level officials pay the price for the nefarious schemes of their superiors. The rank-and-file fraudsters and the local party machines are the soft underbelly of the Democratic Party. That’s where it is vulnerable to a sustained and relentless attack.

This will require patience and the participation of tens of thousands of volunteers, as well as a good deal of money (although it might eventually pay for itself through the collection of civil damages).  Civil suits have been litigated successfully against vote fraud for years. Thousands of such suits would ruin the Democrats.

There was enough fraud to catch the Democrats’ collective necktie in the wringer.
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2021/01/11/heres-how-we-flatten-the-democratic-part
y-during-the-next-four-years-n1332570


In any case, this will be the last Democrat prez for a very long time.  Biden has no electable successor  among the Dems. He is their last, farcical hurray.


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The Trump campaign’s vote fraud lawsuits crashed and burned because the standard of proof required by a court to overturn an election is extremely high.


As it should be but it would not have made a difference if the bar was very low.

There wasn't weak evidence - there was no evidence. All they had was disproven conspiracy theories that they all knew were false.

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There was massive fraud.


There was virtually no fraud.


And the few cases they did find, were actually votes for T****.

But let's not forget the main issue here: Rudy - "I was just tucking my shirt in" - Giuliani said in court, to the judge, that there was NO fraud case.

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