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Trump speech did not incite protest
Jan 12^th, 2021 at 1:18pm

It was a peaceful protest by BLM and Antifa standards nothing burnt down not even an American flag.

The timeline debunks the bullshit from fake news and those with TDS on when riots peaceful protest started.

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“Incitement” Timeline Debunked as Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Pelosi, McConnell’s Sergeants-at-Arms Refused Security Measures

The Washington Post has reported that the outgoing Capitol Police Chief, Steve Sund, believes his efforts to secure the premises were undermined by a lack of concern from House and Senate security officials who answer directly to Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate leader Mitch McConnell. The National Pulse can also report the Washington Post’s timeline proves it was impossible for Trump speech attendees to have made it to the Capitol in time for the breach.

In addition to the fact that Trump openly called for the “cheering on” of Congressman, and “peaceful” protests, the timeline as established from numerous, establishment media reports simply doesn’t stack up.

The Dodgy Timeline.

And while the Washington Post clumsily attempts to blame President Trump for the violence – despite the President calling for “peaceful” protests and the “cheering on” of Congressmen – their own article admits the “first wave of protesters arrived at the Capitol about 12:40pm.”

President Trump’s speech didn’t conclude until 1:11pm, and with at least a 45-minute walk between the two locations with crowd-related delays, that would put the first people from Trump’s speech at Capitol Hill no earlier than 1:56pm – a full hour and sixteen minutes after troublemakers arrived.

In fact, rioters who breached the perimeter would have had to leave before Trump’s speech even began (at 12pm precisely) to make it in time for the events as they are detailed by authorities.

The Washington Post also states: “Sund’s outer perimeter on the Capitol’s west side was breached within 15 minutes,” meaning the Capitol was breached over an hour before Trump speech attendees could have even begun to arrive.

This correlates with Sund’s interview, where he admits: “I realized at 1pm, things aren’t going well… I’m watching my people getting slammed.”

Again, 1pm would have been a full 56-minutes before any Trump speech-attendees could have begun arriving, let alone breaching the perimeter and clashing with police. Downtown Washington, D.C. roads were closed. There was no way of arriving faster, let alone before the President had finished speaking.

At 1:09pm, still before the President had finished speaking, Sund called the Sergeants-at-arms of the House and Senate. He told them it was time to call in the National Guard. He even said he wanted an emergency declaration.

And while Sund is quoted in the Washington Post as blaming President Trump’s speech for the violence that ensued – the timeline means that makes no sense.

The President’s fans are not known for leaving his speeches 5 or 10 minutes in. And by the time the Capitol was breached, those who had stayed to listen to even the first 15 minutes would not have even made it there in time.

https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/ex-capitol-police-chief-says-pelosi-mcconn...

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Re: Trump speech did not incite protest
Reply #2 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 1:18pm:

It was a peaceful protest by BLM and Antifa standards nothing burnt down not even an American flag.

The timeline debunks the bullshit from fake news and those with TDS on when riots peaceful protest started.

Quote:

“Incitement” Timeline Debunked as Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Pelosi, McConnell’s Sergeants-at-Arms Refused Security Measures

The Washington Post has reported that the outgoing Capitol Police Chief, Steve Sund, believes his efforts to secure the premises were undermined by a lack of concern from House and Senate security officials who answer directly to Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate leader Mitch McConnell. The National Pulse can also report the Washington Post’s timeline proves it was impossible for Trump speech attendees to have made it to the Capitol in time for the breach.

In addition to the fact that Trump openly called for the “cheering on” of Congressman, and “peaceful” protests, the timeline as established from numerous, establishment media reports simply doesn’t stack up.

The Dodgy Timeline.

And while the Washington Post clumsily attempts to blame President Trump for the violence – despite the President calling for “peaceful” protests and the “cheering on” of Congressmen – their own article admits the “first wave of protesters arrived at the Capitol about 12:40pm.”

President Trump’s speech didn’t conclude until 1:11pm, and with at least a 45-minute walk between the two locations with crowd-related delays, that would put the first people from Trump’s speech at Capitol Hill no earlier than 1:56pm – a full hour and sixteen minutes after troublemakers arrived.

In fact, rioters who breached the perimeter would have had to leave before Trump’s speech even began (at 12pm precisely) to make it in time for the events as they are detailed by authorities.

The Washington Post also states: “Sund’s outer perimeter on the Capitol’s west side was breached within 15 minutes,” meaning the Capitol was breached over an hour before Trump speech attendees could have even begun to arrive.

This correlates with Sund’s interview, where he admits: “I realized at 1pm, things aren’t going well… I’m watching my people getting slammed.”

Again, 1pm would have been a full 56-minutes before any Trump speech-attendees could have begun arriving, let alone breaching the perimeter and clashing with police. Downtown Washington, D.C. roads were closed. There was no way of arriving faster, let alone before the President had finished speaking.

At 1:09pm, still before the President had finished speaking, Sund called the Sergeants-at-arms of the House and Senate. He told them it was time to call in the National Guard. He even said he wanted an emergency declaration.

And while Sund is quoted in the Washington Post as blaming President Trump’s speech for the violence that ensued – the timeline means that makes no sense.

The President’s fans are not known for leaving his speeches 5 or 10 minutes in. And by the time the Capitol was breached, those who had stayed to listen to even the first 15 minutes would not have even made it there in time.

https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/ex-capitol-police-chief-says-pelosi-mcconn...

Good point, Barron. The rioters required orders, which needed to be delivered by foot soldiers, walking in heavy battle dress, armour and the like.

All telegraph lines had been cut, you see. They did not use carrier pigeons. Infantry on horseback are not permitted in the Capitol. We know that smoke signals were not used.

Thanks for clearing that one up.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 84306 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Trump speech did not incite protest Reply #3 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:33pm
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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 17207 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: Trump speech did not incite protest Reply #4 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 2:41pm Baron, you're one of them now. Let the tears flow bitch. No point in trying to hide them now, we can all see them.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58409 Here Gender:	Re: Trump speech did not incite protest Reply #5 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 5:47pm Quote: It was a peaceful protest by BLM and Antifa standards nothing burnt down not even an American flag. 5 people were killed @ the Trump initiated riot.?
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Reply #6 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 5:57pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 5:47pm:

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It was a peaceful protest by BLM and Antifa standards nothing burnt down not even an American flag.

5 people were killed @ the Trump initiated riot.?

Five people died - not necessarily killed:-

One dead Capitol cop, one shot by cop, one stroke, one heart attack, one medical emergency.

Can you alarmists just stick to the facts for a change? You're beginning to sound like Tokyo Rose saying that the pilot of a Zero, out of ammo and going down on fire, swooped past the bridge of a US destroyer and decapitated the captain with his samurai sword... he die groriousry fo' Empelor and Nihon.. Banzai, Banzai, Banzai...

Also - looks like equal opportunity rioting....

"Police in Washington DC said they also found two pipe bombs, one outside the Democratic National Committee and one outside the Republican National Committee, in the wake of the violence."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/four-killed-in-washington-dc-capitol-riot...

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95652 Gender:	Re: Trump speech did not incite protest Reply #7 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 6:15pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 5:47pm: Quote: It was a peaceful protest by BLM and Antifa standards nothing burnt down not even an American flag. 5 people were killed @ the Trump initiated riot.? Sure, but they didn't burn the American flag, so it's all good.
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Reply #8 - Jan 12^th, 2021 at 8:48pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 6:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 5:47pm:

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It was a peaceful protest by BLM and Antifa standards nothing burnt down not even an American flag.

5 people were killed @ the Trump initiated riot.?

Sure, but they didn't burn the American flag, so it's all good.

Do you think they should keep the gallows on the balcony ?

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Re: Trump speech did not incite protest
Reply #9 - Jan 13^th, 2021 at 1:16am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 8:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 6:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2021 at 5:47pm:

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It was a peaceful protest by BLM and Antifa standards nothing burnt down not even an American flag.

5 people were killed @ the Trump initiated riot.?

Sure, but they didn't burn the American flag, so it's all good.

Do you think they should keep the gallows on the balcony ?

1st Amendment, innit.

One of the cops was beaten up with the American flag, but that's just freedom of expression, Dnarever.

Lucky they didn't burn it, no? Mr Trump would be calling for their heads.

Culture wars, you see.

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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981 Around	Re: Trump speech did not incite protest Reply #10 - Jan 13^th, 2021 at 5:33am Here's how we know Trump sparked the riot. It's taken him a week to say his speech was appropriate.
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