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Jest Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1399 NSW South Coast Gender:	Re: Only the second US el Presidente... Reply #120 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 2:50pm flip
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Reply #121 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:08pm

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 1:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 1:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 1:00pm:

if you want to be referred to as "doctor" you should be someone capable of taking out an appendix.

not someone with a degree in the humanities and a ph d earnt studying finger painting Roll Eyes

What an astoundingly ignorant thing to say.

Then again, people who dropped out of high school in year 10 usually seem to have that attitude towards people with impressive academic qualifications.

Strangely enough, the conservatives never objected to Kissinger being referred to as Dr.Henry Kissinger.

Anyway, I just love how Dr.Jill Biden triggers the conservatives.

she doesnt have academic qualifications though.....

its a guest title didnt Bill Cosby have one.?

they have said it was because hubby went to their College......what a joke. she should be ashamed its dishonest..I bet you would have had a field day if Melania had been given the title..

Not sure who told you that bullshit cods, but Dr. Jill Biden earned all of her academic qualifications, including her doctorate.

Where are you getting this nonsense from - can you maybe provide a link?

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Reply #122 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 11:45am:

Jest wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 11:36am:

If I accuse you greggerypeccary of child rape, its also undeniable that you are an "alleged" child rapist in the way you use that expression. So from now on should we speak of greggerypeccary in ozpolitics as the alleged child rapist.

Not quite the same, though.

Donald Trump is an alleged child rapist because the alleged victims have made the accusations and several affidavits and witness statements have been lodged as part of an official New York court case.

Moreover, Trump is on record grooming a ten year old child.

As far as greggerypeccary goes, one disgruntled forum member has made a baseless claim just because he lost an argument.

Hardly the same thing, dear boy.

Now, you can persist with this line of attack if you wish, it's a free country, but I must warn you that you risk being banned from this forum for a very, very, very long time if you do (there is a GMod here who, if he sees your post, will not be too impressed).

As a piece of friendly advice I suggest that you leave forum members out of this and just admit that Donald Trump is undeniably a documented alleged child rapist.

If its not the same thing its because your use and abuse of the expression "alleged child rapist" is far worse. The proceedings you're referring to were dropped very shortly after they were filed and on top of that they were civil proceedings not criminal (so if she filed charges with police it doesn't look like they were prepared to run the case); the proceedings were brought while trump was running for President in 2016 (political motivation) and you've even said that you dont necessarily believe that the charges are true. And yet, notwithstanding all of that you incessantly refer to Trump as an "alleged child rapist" (present tense), even though the suite was dropped four years ago.

When you look at what I wrote you'll see that I didnt accuse you of child rape. I said "if" I accused you of child rape. And I was making the very valid point that if I used your standards we would be entitled to refer to you as "the alleged child rapist" because in my hypothetical example it had been alleged. But you know as I know that that reasoning is BS and its vicious. Certainly in the example I gave where the allegation was current but even more vicious when you do it because you know that those allegations were withdrawn. Indeed what if I did call you a child rapist, then expressly withdrew the allegation but thereafter continued to call you greggerypeccary "the alleged child rapist", it even worse right? That's what your doing.

Now I'd like people to see the standards you use when you accuse people. The following clip is what greggerypeccary relies on to claim that "Trump is on record grooming a ten year old child".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/13/trump-makes-inappropriate-...

I hope people will bear this in mind the next time greggerypeccary accuses anyone.

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Jest Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1399 NSW South Coast Gender:	Re: Only the second US el Presidente... Reply #123 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:21pm flip
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Reply #124 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:36pm

Jest wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 11:45am:

Jest wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 11:36am:

If I accuse you greggerypeccary of child rape, its also undeniable that you are an "alleged" child rapist in the way you use that expression. So from now on should we speak of greggerypeccary in ozpolitics as the alleged child rapist.

Not quite the same, though.

Donald Trump is an alleged child rapist because the alleged victims have made the accusations and several affidavits and witness statements have been lodged as part of an official New York court case.

Moreover, Trump is on record grooming a ten year old child.

As far as greggerypeccary goes, one disgruntled forum member has made a baseless claim just because he lost an argument.

Hardly the same thing, dear boy.

Now, you can persist with this line of attack if you wish, it's a free country, but I must warn you that you risk being banned from this forum for a very, very, very long time if you do (there is a GMod here who, if he sees your post, will not be too impressed).

As a piece of friendly advice I suggest that you leave forum members out of this and just admit that Donald Trump is undeniably a documented alleged child rapist.

If its not the same thing its because your use and abuse of the expression "alleged child rapist" is far worse. The proceedings you're referring to were dropped very shortly after they were filed and on top of that they were civil proceedings not criminal (so if she filed charges with police it doesn't look like they were prepared to run the case); the proceedings were brought while trump was running for President in 2016 (political motivation) and you've even said that you dont necessarily believe that the charges are true.

The fact remains, Donald Trump is an alleged child rapist.

There's nothing you, or anyone else, can do to change that.

And as far as you accusing me, I'm just giving you some very friendly advice.

Drop it.

I'm not going to report you, but if a certain GMod sees it he might take action.

You might have a perfectly good explanation for what you did, but you won't be able to do any explaining if you're banned.

So, just to recap:

Donald J. Trump was accused in a New York court of raping a child. Fact.

There are legitimate official court documents, affidavits, and witness statements alleging the crime. Fact.

His co-accused in the alleged child rape is Jeffrey Epstein - a long time friend of Trump's, and a convicted chlid sex offender. Fact.

Trump has admitted to being a sexual predator. Fact.

One of Trump's wives accused him of violently raping her. Fact.

Approximately 26 other women have accused him of sexual assault or rape. Fact.

He is on record grooming a ten year old child. Fact.

Greggerypeccary has never accused Donald Trump of being a rapist. Fact.

I think that covers it.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Only the second US el Presidente... Reply #125 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:46pm greg is right jest you are in dangerous waters... like the link you have provided about things being STRETCHED to suit the agenda....the same thing happens here..just change a word and it all read differently....do what he suggests drop it! he has to my knowledge always used the word alleged
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Reply #126 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:52pm

This is an article from the Wall Street Journal on Jill Biden's brazen use of the title Doctor. You're welcome to your opinion but what follows accords most closely to my opinion. The paragraph starting with the words "The Ph.D. may once have held prestige ..." , is spot on IMO esp when you consider the way academic standards have dropped since the various grievance studies (eg "gender studies, race studies, trans studies) have been introduced into the universities.

By Joseph Epstein
Dec. 11, 2020 5:56 pm ET

Madame First Lady—Mrs. Biden—Jill—kiddo: a bit of advice on what may seem like a small but I think is a not unimportant matter. Any chance you might drop the “Dr.” before your name? “Dr. Jill Biden” sounds and feels fraudulent, not to say a touch comic. Your degree is, I believe, an Ed.D., a doctor of education, earned at the University of Delaware through a dissertation with the unpromising title “Student Retention at the Community College Level: Meeting Students’ Needs.” A wise man once said that no one should call himself “Dr.” unless he has delivered a child. Think about it, Dr. Jill, and forthwith drop the doc.

I taught at Northwestern University for 30 years without a doctorate or any advanced degree. I have only a B.A. in absentia from the University of Chicago—in absentia because I took my final examination on a pool table at Headquarters Company, Fort Hood, Texas, while serving in the peacetime Army in the late 1950s. I do have an honorary doctorate, though I have to report that the president of the school that awarded it was fired the year after I received it, not, I hope, for allowing my honorary doctorate. During my years as a university teacher I was sometimes addressed, usually on the phone, as “Dr. Epstein.” On such occasions it was all I could do not to reply, “Read two chapters of Henry James and get into bed. I’ll be right over.”

I was also often addressed as Dr. during the years I was editor of the American Scholar, the quarterly magazine of Phi Beta Kappa. Let me quickly insert that I am also not a member of Phi Beta Kappa, except by marriage. Many of those who so addressed me, I noted, were scientists. I also received a fair amount of correspondence from people who appended the initials Ph.D. to their names atop their letterheads, and have twice seen PHD on vanity license plates, which struck me as pathetic. In contemporary universities, in the social sciences and humanities, calling oneself Dr. is thought bush league.

The Ph.D. may once have held prestige, but that has been diminished by the erosion of seriousness and the relaxation of standards in university education generally, at any rate outside the sciences. Getting a doctorate was then an arduous proceeding: One had to pass examinations in two foreign languages, one of them Greek or Latin, defend one’s thesis, and take an oral examination on general knowledge in one’s field. At Columbia University of an earlier day, a secretary sat outside the room where these examinations were administered, a pitcher of water and a glass on her desk. The water and glass were there for the candidates who fainted. A far cry, this, from the few doctoral examinations I sat in on during my teaching days, where candidates and teachers addressed one another by first names and the general atmosphere more resembled a kaffeeklatsch. Dr. Jill, I note you acquired your Ed.D. as recently as 15 years ago at age 55, or long after the terror had departed.

The prestige of honorary doctorates has declined even further. Such degrees were once given exclusively to scholars, statesmen, artists and scientists. Then rich men entered the lists, usually in the hope that they would donate money to the schools that had granted them their honorary degrees. (My late friend Sol Linowitz, then chairman of Xerox, told me that he had 63 honorary doctorates.) Famous television journalists, who passed themselves ...

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Reply #128 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:58pm

i wonder if Mr trump joined this site, would he be able to complain to a Gmod to have gweg banned.

mr trump has a beautiful wife and beautiful children.

it would be extremely hurtful to have someone continually posting that he is an alledged child rapist.

think of how his family must feel

i think he would have a good case to have gweg banned.

now that he has some free time, i must get onto the big fella and see how he feels about this disgraceful personal attack he is being subjected to

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Reply #129 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 5:02pm

Jest wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:52pm:

This is an article from the Wall Street Journal on Jill Biden's brazen use of the title Doctor. You're welcome to your opinion but what follows accords most closely to my opinion. The paragraph starting with the words "The Ph.D. may once have held prestige ..." , is spot on IMO esp when you consider the way academic standards have dropped since the various grievance studies (eg "gender studies, race studies, trans studies) have been introduced into the universities.

By Joseph Epstein
Dec. 11, 2020 5:56 pm ET

Madame First Lady—Mrs. Biden—Jill—kiddo: a bit of advice on what may seem like a small but I think is a not unimportant matter. Any chance you might drop the “Dr.” before your name? “Dr. Jill Biden” sounds and feels fraudulent, not to say a touch comic. Your degree is, I believe, an Ed.D., a doctor of education, earned at the University of Delaware through a dissertation with the unpromising title “Student Retention at the Community College Level: Meeting Students’ Needs.” A wise man once said that no one should call himself “Dr.” unless he has delivered a child. Think about it, Dr. Jill, and forthwith drop the doc.

I taught at Northwestern University for 30 years without a doctorate or any advanced degree. I have only a B.A. in absentia from the University of Chicago—in absentia because I took my final examination on a pool table at Headquarters Company, Fort Hood, Texas, while serving in the peacetime Army in the late 1950s. I do have an honorary doctorate, though I have to report that the president of the school that awarded it was fired the year after I received it, not, I hope, for allowing my honorary doctorate. During my years as a university teacher I was sometimes addressed, usually on the phone, as “Dr. Epstein.” On such occasions it was all I could do not to reply, “Read two chapters of Henry James and get into bed. I’ll be right over.”

I was also often addressed as Dr. during the years I was editor of the American Scholar, the quarterly magazine of Phi Beta Kappa. Let me quickly insert that I am also not a member of Phi Beta Kappa, except by marriage. Many of those who so addressed me, I noted, were scientists. I also received a fair amount of correspondence from people who appended the initials Ph.D. to their names atop their letterheads, and have twice seen PHD on vanity license plates, which struck me as pathetic. In contemporary universities, in the social sciences and humanities, calling oneself Dr. is thought bush league.

The Ph.D. may once have held prestige, but that has been diminished by the erosion of seriousness and the relaxation of standards in university education generally, at any rate outside the sciences. Getting a doctorate was then an arduous proceeding: One had to pass examinations in two foreign languages, one of them Greek or Latin, defend one’s thesis, and take an oral examination on general knowledge in one’s field. At Columbia University of an earlier day, a secretary sat outside the room where these examinations were administered, a pitcher of water and a glass on her desk. The water and glass were there for the candidates who fainted. A far cry, this, from the few doctoral examinations I sat in on during my teaching days, where candidates and teachers addressed one another by first names and the general atmosphere more resembled a kaffeeklatsch. Dr. Jill, I note you acquired your Ed.D. as recently as 15 years ago at age 55, or long after the terror had departed.

The prestige of honorary doctorates has declined even further. Such degrees were once given exclusively to scholars, statesmen, artists and scientists. Then rich men entered the lists, usually in the hope that they would donate money to the schools that had granted them their honorary degrees. (My late friend Sol Linowitz, then chairman of Xerox, told me that he had 63 honorary doctorates.) Famous television journalists, who passed themselves ...

a doctorate of education?

i will have to start calling my farrier and my auctioneer "doctor" Wink

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Reply #130 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 5:04pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:58pm:

i wonder if Mr trump joined this site, would he be able to complain to a Gmod to have gweg banned.

mr trump has a beautiful wife and beautiful children.

it would be extremely hurtful to have someone continually posting that he is an alledged child rapist.

think of how his family must feel

i think he would have a good case to have gweg banned.

now that he has some free time, i must get onto the big fella and see how he feels about this disgraceful personal attack he is being subjected to

I imagine he'll drop everything to take THAT call... Roll Eyes

I, for one, will be keen to see what he says/how it all works out.

What's the Russian IDD prefix...anyone?

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Reply #131 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 5:26pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:58pm:

i wonder if Mr trump joined this site, would he be able to complain to a Gmod to have gweg banned.

mr trump has a beautiful wife and beautiful children.

it would be extremely hurtful to have someone continually posting that he is an alledged child rapist.

But he IS an alleged child rapist.

It has nothing to do with me - I'm not making the allegation.

All I'm doing is stating an indisputable fact: Donald J. Trump is an alleged child rapist.

Don't shoot the messenger, boys.

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Reply #133 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 5:50pm

Jest wrote on Jan 17^th, 2021 at 9:40pm:

I cleary did not say that you said that.My remark is about what my expectations of you are since you're so woke and have a tendency to be hypocritical and inconsistent when it suites you.

Yes, we've already covered your excuse. You made it up.

Jest wrote on Jan 17^th, 2021 at 7:15pm:

I dont think it detracts too much from her story, (1) you still have to prove they're the same person which you have declined to do so

Actually, I don't have to prove anything to you. I've already checked and I know it's the same person.You can either check for yourself or you can keep making a fool of yourself. Either way it's no skin off my nose.

Jest wrote on Jan 17^th, 2021 at 7:15pm:

(2) even assuming they are facts relevant to this case they don't detract from that woman's claims in any significant way.

I'm not trying to detract from her claim. You are the one who claimed I'm writing her off just because I'm from the left. Thats utter rubbish. I was explaining to you why I am off the opinion that she is most likely lying. You can pretend thats just a 'woke' thing if you like, but I find ignoring the evidence an 'idiocy' thing.

Jest wrote on Jan 17^th, 2021 at 7:15pm:

You're being TOTALLY IRRATIONAL.

Because I consider all the evidence I have? Fine, I'm being irrational if thats what you like. I find your method of sticking your head up your arse and ignoring the evidence that exists like you have is pure idiocy. I'd rather be irrational than an idiot.

Jest wrote on Jan 17^th, 2021 at 7:15pm:

You know that! And you know it because you've probably done it yourself and almost certainly seen your mates do it often enough

I can assure you neither I or my mates have ever boasted of randomly grabbing any women by the pussy. I know only one guy who boasted to me about groping women and thats because HE ACTUALLY ASSAULTED THEM. He was later arrested and charged and pled guilty. When was the last time you boasted to your mates that you grab random women by the pussy?

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You know as well as I do that even if it only happened once he would have still bragged to his mates that it happened all the time and if on that one occasion (or a number of occasions with the same person) it may very well have happened by consent

He was bragging that he doesn't ask ... how can he have consent? That they don't immediately report it to the police, or that they smile and shrug it off because they're trying to get him to sign some deal they spent $5m getting together (one of the women he assaulted) does not equal consent. How about you actually listen to what the women say before deciding he had likely consent?

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All you care about is that you have enough to deceive people into thinking that he admitted to multiple cases of sexual assault and that's enough for your purposes

Who's trying to deceive anyone? All I'm doing is making a judgement based on the facts I know. If that offends your sensitivities then that is your problem. Pretending its all fake because I don't want to be labelled 'woke' just does not do it for me. If it works for you then you go for it.i

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Reply #134 - Jan 18^th, 2021 at 5:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:36pm:

Jest wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 4:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 11:45am:

[quote author=Jest link=1610772639/108#108 date=1610933802]

If I accuse you greggerypeccary of child rape, its also undeniable that you are an "alleged" child rapist in the way you use that expression. So from now on should we speak of greggerypeccary in ozpolitics as the alleged child rapist.

Not quite the same, though.
Donald Trump is an alleged child rapist because the alleged victims have made the accusations and several affidavits and witness statements have been lodged as part of an official New York court case.
Moreover, Trump is on record grooming a ten year old child.

As far as greggerypeccary goes, one disgruntled forum member has made a baseless claim just because he lost an argument. Hardly the same thing, dear boy.

Now, you can persist with this line of attack if you wish, it's a free country, but I must warn you that you risk being banned from this forum for a very, very, very long time if you do (there is a GMod here who, if he sees your post, will not be too impressed).

As a piece of friendly advice I suggest that you leave forum members out of this and just admit that Donald Trump is undeniably a documented alleged child rapist.

If its not the same thing its because your use and abuse of the expression "alleged child rapist" is far worse. The proceedings you're referring to were dropped very shortly after they were filed and on top of that they were civil proceedings not criminal (so if she filed charges with police it doesn't look like they were prepared to run the case); the proceedings were brought while trump was running for President in 2016 (political motivation) and you've even said that you dont necessarily believe that the charges are true.

The fact remains, Donald Trump is an alleged child rapist.

If the allegations have been withdrawn he IS not an "alleged child rapist" - FACT!

There's nothing you, or anyone else, can do to change that.

And there's Nothing you or anyone else, can do to make it so

And as far as you accusing me, I'm just giving you some very friendly advice.

You weren't accused. The Mod may or may not take that into account but Im not going to let your face saving ploy work by backing off when your despicable conduct needs to be called out. If Im banned I'll be disappointed but Ill live.

Drop it.

You drop it and stop your despicable behavior

I'm not going to report you, but if a certain GMod sees it he might take action.

So be it

You might have a perfectly good explanation for what you did, but you won't be able to do any explaining if you're banned.

he can see what i said and he can decide.

So, just to recap:

Donald J. Trump was accused in a New York court of raping a child. Fact.

It was withdrawn soon afterwards and hasn't been reinstated, which makes it misleading and despicable to say he IS an alleged child rapist. FACT

There are legitimate official court documents, affidavits, and witness statements alleging the crime. Fact.

Non of which was tested before it was withdrawn, making it misleading to say its still alleged and despicable to keep referring to it incessantly to misleadingly create the illusion that there is some truth to the claims that the complainant herself was not prepared to press. FACT

His co-accused in the alleged child rape is Jeffrey Epstein - a long time friend of Trump's, and a convicted chlid sex offender. Fact.

So too Bill Clinton, Leon Musk, Bill Gates and many many more. It doesnt justify you incessantly calling trump an alleged child rapist when the proceedings have been withdrawn FACT!

Trump has admitted to being a sexual predator. Fact.

NOT A FACT if your baseing it on what was said in that Bus ride. Which is typical of your very low standards of proof when it suites you. And see the clip I have posted below which you were too embarrassed to repost in your quote.

One of Trump's wives accused him of violently raping her. Fact.

Which may or may not be true but in any case does not support the case of child rape that was dropped by the complainant but you continue to allege anyway FACT!

Approximately 26 other women have accused him of sexual assault or rape. Fact.

Which may or may not be true but in any case does not support the case of child rape that was dropped by the complainant but you continue to allege anyway FACT!

He is on record grooming a ten year old child. Fact. NOT FACT! This is the basis on which peccary makes that claim. Its a clear demonstration of the very low standards peccary uses to accuse people.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/13/trump-makes-inappropriate-...

Greggerypeccary has never accused Donald Trump of being a rapist. Fact. [color=#0000ff]NOT FACT. I recall having an exchange with him on precisely this point, which means my allegation that he is not telling the truth still holds and in accordance with his own standards its undeniable that he has allegedly not told the truth on this FACT!

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