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Reply #135 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 2:56pm

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02416-z

hat lessons can be applied to trials in the future? How can we revamp procedures and leverage technology to accelerate findings, and do so without sacrificing transparency, patient involvement and peer review?

First, streamline bureaucracy.
econd, leverage data systems.
Third, enable trust.
Fourth, maintain transparency.

So I'll move closer to rhino in saying that the trials were accelerated compared to normal, but again the actual testing was not accelerated, the data sharing and the bureaucracy involved interphase and intraphase was sped up.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Coronavirus - Are you going to get the jab Reply #136 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 2:57pm Kid Dynomite wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 2:53pm: Do we know the long term effects of this vaccination? It hasn't like been around very long. Like what would you expect as a long term outcome of this vaccine?
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Reply #137 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:00pm

Kid Dynomite wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 2:53pm:

Do we know the long term effects of this vaccination? It hasn't like been around very long.

Exactly, all clinical trials should evaluate long term effects. try getting that through to the idiots on here. Now, heres what real scientists say about the rushed vaccines
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None of the leading COVID-19 vaccine trials are designed to detect a significant reduction in hospital admissions, admission to intensive care, or death,35 and such data usually only become evident in post-licence evaluations. These inherent limitations of phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine trials might result in similar knowledge gaps by avoiding answering the questions most relevant clinically and most relevant to public health in favour of answering the “easiest question in the least amount of time”.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30923-3/fullt...

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Coronavirus - Are you going to get the jab Reply #138 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:02pm How long term do you wan? 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, 20- years?
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Coronavirus - Are you going to get the jab Reply #139 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:04pm And again what long term effects do we imagine happening? This may be novel vaccines, but not novel development techniques.
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Re: Coronavirus - Are you going to get the jab
Reply #140 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:08pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:02pm:

How long term do you wan? 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, 20- years?

I dont want anything, Im saying the trials were rushed, phase 3 trials normally take between 1 to 3 years, that 1 to 3 years is not including any time between trials. . I will probably wait around 12 months to get vaccinated if at all. The whole thing is a shemozzle, now it turns out the vaccine the govt bought is largely innefective against the SA mutation.

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Reply #141 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:10pm

I dont want anything, Im saying the trials were rushed, phase 3 trials normally take between 1 to 3 years, that 1 to 3 years is not including any time between trials. . I will probably wait around 12 months to get vaccinated if at all. The whole thing is a shemozzle, now it turns out the vaccine the govt bought is largely innefective against the SA mutation.

All the vaccines we bought? And agani you're worried about safety, what delayed effects do you expect that havent been seen so far.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Coronavirus - Are you going to get the jab Reply #142 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:12pm Plus the vaccines we have now "may" not protect against the SA variant. And thats now, tweak them a bit the vaccines will work.
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Reply #143 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:15pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:10pm:

All the vaccines we bought? And agani you're worried about safety, what delayed effects do you expect that havent been seen so far.

We don't know what to expect.

The only way to find out what the long-term effects will be (or if there are any), is to wait.

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Reply #144 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:15pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:10pm:

All the vaccines we bought? And agani you're worried about safety, what delayed effects do you expect that havent been seen so far.

We don't know what to expect.

The only way to find out what the long-term effects will be (or if there are any), is to wait.

Why not, as I said this isn't made any differently then any other vaccine. E.g. do you take the flu vaccine every year? Its a different vaccine, just made in exactly the same way.

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Reply #145 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:18pm

rhino wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:00pm:

Kid Dynomite wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 2:53pm:

Do we know the long term effects of this vaccination? It hasn't like been around very long.

Exactly, all clinical trials should evaluate long term effects. try getting that through to the idiots on here. Now, heres what real scientists say about the rushed vaccines
Quote:

None of the leading COVID-19 vaccine trials are designed to detect a significant reduction in hospital admissions, admission to intensive care, or death,35 and such data usually only become evident in post-licence evaluations. These inherent limitations of phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine trials might result in similar knowledge gaps by avoiding answering the questions most relevant clinically and most relevant to public health in favour of answering the “easiest question in the least amount of time”.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30923-3/fullt...

You didn't read all of your reference, did you? Roll Eyes

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Reply #146 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:19pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:15pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:10pm:

All the vaccines we bought? And agani you're worried about safety, what delayed effects do you expect that havent been seen so far.

We don't know what to expect.

The only way to find out what the long-term effects will be (or if there are any), is to wait.

Why not, as I said this isn't made any differently then any other vaccine. E.g. do you take the flu vaccine every year? Its a different vaccine, just made in exactly the same way.

No. I've never had a flu jab in my life.

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Reply #147 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:19pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:15pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:10pm:

All the vaccines we bought? And agani you're worried about safety, what delayed effects do you expect that havent been seen so far.

We don't know what to expect.

The only way to find out what the long-term effects will be (or if there are any), is to wait.

Why not, as I said this isn't made any differently then any other vaccine. E.g. do you take the flu vaccine every year? Its a different vaccine, just made in exactly the same way.

No. I've never had a flu jab in my life.

Even so, others have. E.g. I've had one every year for about a decade and apart from an increasing grumpiness around anti-science BS, I have no long term effects

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Re: Coronavirus - Are you going to get the jab
Reply #148 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:46pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:19pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:15pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:10pm:

All the vaccines we bought? And agani you're worried about safety, what delayed effects do you expect that havent been seen so far.

We don't know what to expect.

The only way to find out what the long-term effects will be (or if there are any), is to wait.

Why not, as I said this isn't made any differently then any other vaccine. E.g. do you take the flu vaccine every year? Its a different vaccine, just made in exactly the same way.

No. I've never had a flu jab in my life.

Even so, others have. E.g. I've had one every year for about a decade and apart from an increasing grumpiness around anti-science BS, I have no long term effects

I'm no scientist, but I think the stuff they inject into you for the flu jab is different to the stuff they want to inject into us for COVID.

Without the COVID vaccine being in general use for a long period of time, there's no way to know what the long-term effects may or may not be.

Yeah? Undecided

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Coronavirus - Are you going to get the jab Reply #149 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:50pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 3:46pm: I'm no scientist, but I think the stuff they inject into you for the flu jab is different to the stuff they want to inject into us for COVID. Lets just examine this statement shall we.
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