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Reply #213 - Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:29pm

Seems the side effects from the second dose of Pfizer aren't too pleasant.

At about 2 a.m. on Thursday morning, I woke to find my husband shivering beside me. For hours, he had been tossing in bed, exhausted but unable to sleep, nursing chills, a fever, and an agonizingly sore left arm. His teeth chattered. His forehead was freckled with sweat. And as I lay next to him, cinching blanket after blanket around his arms, I felt an immense sense of relief. All this misery was a sign that the immune cells in his body had been riled up by the second shot of a COVID-19 vaccine, and were well on their way to guarding him from future disease.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/second-vaccine-side-effects/6...

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Reply #214 - Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:30pm

rhino wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:08pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 5:25pm:

Did you know 99.8% of people survive Covid-19?

Rubbuish, we have no way of knowing the true figure, most deaths from Covid are not reported.

That's about the correct figure for young/healthy. I think I read 99.7?

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Reply #215 - Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:35pm

Sophia wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 6:09pm:

I find it interesting that this is reported ...
(Washington Post)

Rate of new coronavirus cases declining around the world, WHO says. The number of new coronavirus cases has declined by 16 percent worldwide over the past week, the World Health Organization said, even as more virulent strains of the virus spurred outbreaks in multiple regions.

It was predicted that it would take up to 2 years for these virus strains to then disappear as did the Spanish flu.

It will be a coincidence with the decline of the virus running its course and the roll out of the vaccine.

Australia does not have a Covid problem bar the stupid lack of due care with quarantined overseas visitors.

Much the same with New Zealand.

It’s the rest of the world, not us!!

' ........ It will be a coincidence with the decline of the virus running its course and the roll out of the vaccine. ....... '

Yes, I think this recent decline is more due to worldwide 'lockdowns' and mask wearing etc.
It is probably a bit early for results from the vaccines to be felt.

I don't mind. Any decline in a pandemic is very good.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Coronavirus - Are you going to get the jab Reply #216 - Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:36pm rhino wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:08pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 5:25pm: Did you know 99.8% of people survive Covid-19? Rubbuish, we have no way of knowing the true figure, most deaths from Covid are not reported. I agree. the posts just got mixed up there.
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Reply #217 - Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:41pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:29pm:

Seems the side effects from the second dose of Pfizer aren't too pleasant.

At about 2 a.m. on Thursday morning, I woke to find my husband shivering beside me. For hours, he had been tossing in bed, exhausted but unable to sleep, nursing chills, a fever, and an agonizingly sore left arm. His teeth chattered. His forehead was freckled with sweat. And as I lay next to him, cinching blanket after blanket around his arms, I felt an immense sense of relief. All this misery was a sign that the immune cells in his body had been riled up by the second shot of a COVID-19 vaccine, and were well on their way to guarding him from future disease.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/second-vaccine-side-effects/6...

I entirely agree.
Some of the side effects of the covid vaccine are undesirable.
This is statistically MUCH better than getting covid itself.

Covid 19 is the real deal. It is a very 'good' virus.
Ebola was too rapid and killed hosts too quickly.

Covid takes weeks before it can be apparent, at times it has 0 symptoms.
At times it is fatal. It's a nasty number. You do not want this.

Govts has passed emergency powers to allow a vaccine. They would usually NEVER do this.

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Reply #218 - Feb 21^st, 2021 at 4:11pm

A few days ago, HRM and Prince Phillip had their corona virus jab privately from their own doctor ... I thought.... I bet they will die soon.... maybe not both... but now I hear that Prince Phillip has taken ill and doesn’t seem to be improving ....... I bet it will be a coincidence though aye? Coz he old etc with other things going on.

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Reply #219 - Feb 21^st, 2021 at 5:46pm

Sophia wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 4:11pm:

A few days ago, HRM and Prince Phillip had their corona virus jab privately from their own doctor ... I thought.... I bet they will die soon.... maybe not both... but now I hear that Prince Phillip has taken ill and doesn’t seem to be improving ....... I bet it will be a coincidence though aye? Coz he old etc with other things going on.

lolz

old person dies with positive test....covid death
old person dies after vaccine....not related.

having said that, i'll be having the vaccine.

i wasnt concerned about the small chance of dying of covid
and i'm certainly not concerned about the even smaller chance of dying of the vaccine

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Reply #220 - Feb 21^st, 2021 at 11:06pm

In Sweden, two of 21 healthcare regions paused vaccinations of workers last week after a quarter called in sick after getting the AstraZeneca shot.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-astrazeneca-idUSKBN...

AstraZeneca vaccine faces resistance in Europe after health workers suffer side-effects

By Caroline Pailliez, Johan Ahlander

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PARIS (Reuters) - Health authorities in some European countries are facing resistance to AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine after side-effects led hospital staff and other front-line workers to call in sick, putting extra strain on already-stretched services.

Such symptoms, as reported in clinical trials for the AstraZeneca shot, can include a high temperature or headache and are a normal sign that the body is generating an immune response. They usually fade within a day or so.

The other shots approved in Europe, developed by Pfizer and Moderna, have been linked to similar temporary side-effects, including fever and fatigue.

But with the AstraZeneca shot the latest to be rolled out, health authorities in France have issued guidance to stagger giving the shot, two regions in Sweden paused vaccinations, and in Germany some essential workers are refusing it.

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Reply #221 - Feb 21^st, 2021 at 11:22pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:30pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:08pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 5:25pm:

Did you know 99.8% of people survive Covid-19?

Rubbuish, we have no way of knowing the true figure, most deaths from Covid are not reported.

That's about the correct figure for young/healthy. I think I read 99.7?

we have no data on around three quarters of the worlds population, most of the data we have comes from affluent well nourished westerners with access to high tech medical resources. Most of the worlds population is not in this category and are not being statistically included. Anecdotal evidence suggests the death toll is huge in some countries but we will never know because a lot of people will die without ever seeing a doctor or a death certificate being issued.

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Reply #222 - Feb 21^st, 2021 at 11:30pm

https://www.foxsports.com.au/tennis/australian-open-2021-trophy-presentation-boo...

February 21, 2021 11:03pm
by David Zita
Source: FOX SPORTS

Tennis Australia president Jayne Hrdlicka's speech took a nasty turn.

The Australian Open trophy ceremony quickly turned ugly on Sunday night as the Rod Laver Arena
crowd jeered at mention of COVID-19 vaccines and the Victorian government.

As Tennis Australia president Jayne Hrdlicka thanked the “extraordinary sacrifice” for everyone over the past year, she mentioned that, “with vaccinations on the way, rolling out in many countries around the world, it’s now a time for optimism and hope for the future.”

The mention of vaccinations brought audible boos that echoed throughout the stadium and around the world.

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Reply #223 - Feb 21^st, 2021 at 11:35pm

rhino wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 11:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:30pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 7:08pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 20^th, 2021 at 5:25pm:

Did you know 99.8% of people survive Covid-19?

Rubbuish, we have no way of knowing the true figure, most deaths from Covid are not reported.

That's about the correct figure for young/healthy. I think I read 99.7?

we have no data on around three quarters of the worlds population, most of the data we have comes from affluent well nourished westerners with access to high tech medical resources. Most of the worlds population is not in this category and are not being statistically included. Anecdotal evidence suggests the death toll is huge in some countries but we will never know because a lot of people will die without ever seeing a doctor or a death certificate being issued.

I think we can equally say that a lot of people killed by Covid
were on their last legs -
very old and frail -
and would have died even
if they had tripped up on a mat.
They certainly would have died if they would have got the common flu.

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Reply #224 - Feb 21^st, 2021 at 11:42pm

No Bobby, that may be the case in western countries but certainly not elsewhere. Jakarta had a 25 percent death rate from Covid, they wouldnt bother to take old people to hospital there generally they would let them die at home to avoid the expense.

One in four dying at Jakarta Covid hospital
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/one-in-four-dying-at-jakarta-covid-hospit...

and

"Indonesia’s real virus death toll may be 3 times reported figure: Epidemiologist". https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/09/25/indonesias-real-virus-death-toll-...

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