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There are plenty of great Muslims
Feb 8^th, 2021 at 8:54am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7^th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

No plenty of great Christians just as there are plenty of great Muslims.

Isnt that right Yadda

bojack,

You have stated your OPINION.

bojack,

You claim to be a 'professional', an intellectual [man], a person who can be 'bent' with FACTS and EVIDENCES.

Here is my ARGUMENT of contradiction;

The doctrines and precepts of religious ISLAM mandate that EVERY** follower of ISLAM must hate, and [eventually, ultimately] fight and kill [or enslave] people, who reject ISLAM, and who reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

Religious ISLAM requires this never-ending conflict with non-moslems, in order to eventually, establish the supremacy of ISLAMIC law everywhere in the world.

FURTHER;
Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

That is the definition, of what 'a moslem' is, in a dictionary.

And of more consequence, every moslem is a person who is choosing, to personally, follow the murderous dictates of ISLAM.

Or is the argument, that almost all moslems are ignorantly following ISLAM, while being unaware of the PRIMACY of the doctrines of religious bigotry and the murderous dictates in ISLAM ?

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Any moslem who openly contradicts any religious doctrine of ISLAM, is charged with blasphemy and apostasy,
and if they refuse to repent their public error [if they are permitted that concession ! ], they are often killed, murdered.

bojack,

You suggest that "there are plenty of great Muslims".

Explain to me how the 'greatest' moslem does not understand his obligation to his religious hatred of all persons who have rejected ISLAM, and his [the moslems'] obligation, to his religion, to either engage in or to materially support the murderous dictates of ISLAM ?

MUST FIGHT DISBELIEVERS

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Koran 9.29

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

MUST HATE ALL DISBELIEVERS

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2
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MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16620 In your happy place Gender:	Re: There are plenty of great Muslims Reply #3 - Feb 8^th, 2021 at 12:54pm There are zero great Yaddas.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21593 A cat with a view	Re: There are plenty of great Muslims Reply #6 - Feb 8^th, 2021 at 6:42pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 8^th, 2021 at 9:42am: Did this need a new thread with a poorly formatted opening post? Yes. Sprint doesn't want ISLAM/religion topics in the Spirituality board.
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Re: There are plenty of great Muslims
Reply #7 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 8:16am

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2021 at 5:41pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 8^th, 2021 at 9:48am:

https://www.smcclub.com.au/

Want an example though Yadda, here you go. An excellent charity group of Muslim cyclists.

So muslim women are banned from this club? Perhaps they were told to make the sandwiches

Not that I'm aware of, the times I've been on rides with them women are involved.

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Reply #8 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 11:47am

A friend of mine once commented on a muzzo shela he screwed.
She had no idea about oral sex
Had never had an orgasm, didn't know what was happening to her.
Was terrified of his manhood, apparently her husband was rather tiny.

She was widowed at 20
Her 57 year old husband of 10 years ( she was 10 when married) was a pig.
She escaped from the muzzos when he died and the mate helped get her back to Australia where she renounced Islam as the CULT of DEATH it is.

She now live a nice comfortable life with a nice German man in Queensland.
Cannot have children, she was damage when she was raped by her husband at 10.
But she still apparently looks over he shoulder all the time.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Reply #9 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 12:10pm

Valkie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2021 at 11:47am:

A friend of mine once commented on a muzzo shela he screwed.
She had no idea about oral sex
Had never had an orgasm, didn't know what was happening to her.
Was terrified of his manhood, apparently her husband was rather tiny.

She was widowed at 20
Her 57 year old husband of 10 years ( she was 10 when married) was a pig.
She escaped from the muzzos when he died and the mate helped get her back to Australia where she renounced Islam as the CULT of DEATH it is.

She now live a nice comfortable life with a nice German man in Queensland.
Cannot have children, she was damage when she was raped by her husband at 10.
But she still apparently looks over he shoulder all the time.

Yep friend of a friend of a friend. Quality evidence right there

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Re: There are plenty of great Muslims
Reply #10 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 12:15pm

Valkie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2021 at 11:47am:

A friend of mine once commented on a muzzo shela he screwed.
She had no idea about oral sex
Had never had an orgasm, didn't know what was happening to her.
Was terrified of his manhood, apparently her husband was rather tiny.

She was widowed at 20
Her 57 year old husband of 10 years ( she was 10 when married) was a pig.
She escaped from the muzzos when he died and the mate helped get her back to Australia where she renounced Islam as the CULT of DEATH it is.

She now live a nice comfortable life with a nice German man in Queensland.
Cannot have children, she was damage when she was raped by her husband at 10.
But she still apparently looks over he shoulder all the time.

Lol, another convenient Valkie story which has more holes than Swiss cheese.

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Re: There are plenty of great Muslims
Reply #11 - Feb 10^th, 2021 at 7:11am

rhino wrote on Feb 9^th, 2021 at 12:15pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2021 at 11:47am:

A friend of mine once commented on a muzzo shela he screwed.
She had no idea about oral sex
Had never had an orgasm, didn't know what was happening to her.
Was terrified of his manhood, apparently her husband was rather tiny.

She was widowed at 20
Her 57 year old husband of 10 years ( she was 10 when married) was a pig.
She escaped from the muzzos when he died and the mate helped get her back to Australia where she renounced Islam as the CULT of DEATH it is.

She now live a nice comfortable life with a nice German man in Queensland.
Cannot have children, she was damage when she was raped by her husband at 10.
But she still apparently looks over he shoulder all the time.

Lol, another convenient Valkie story which has more holes than Swiss cheese.

you are such a sad person/individual.

Just because your entire life has been in your mothers basement.
and you have never done ANYTHNG of any note and never been ANYWHERE.

does not mean that there are people who have been and done many things.

Ill bet if Mother Terrisa were to comment on this forum, you would call her a liar.

Sad little turds like you really do need to get a life.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Reply #12 - Feb 10^th, 2021 at 8:20am

This source, is an old BBC online article.

But it is one of the clearest examples i have seen, ....of how all of the insistent assurances given by moslems, concerning their 'philanthropic' agendas, are not worth even one bucket of sewage.

Supposed ISLAMIC charities, frequently hold their hand out for aid and monies, coming from the U.N. aid agencies, and from many other non-moslem aid agencies and charity fundraisers,
and this, while the moslem group/charity will vehemently disavow any association with 'extremist' groups.

But all of these assurances of having benevolent motives, are simply blatant, bare faced lies.

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IMAGE.....

Money from the UN and others poured in to help the quake victims in Pakistan-administered Kashmir

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5 October 2006
UN quake aid went to extremists

By Kate Clark
BBC News, north-west Pakistan

Some UN relief money was channelled through charities associated with extremist jihadi groups in the wake of the 2005 Pakistan earthquake, a BBC investigation has found.

The quake killed 79,000 people, and left 11,000 children orphaned last October. More than two million people lost their homes.

The BBC has discovered that one of the charities linked with extremists is now using its position to gain access to orphaned or fatherless children.

In the days following the catastrophic earthquake, the government of Pakistan promised that all such children would be looked after either by their extended family or the state.

It is difficult to imagine the scale of the destruction last October. Many of the survivors told me they thought it was the end of the world - literally.

There followed a mass mobilisation by ordinary Pakistanis, non-governmental organisations and Muslim groups to help the survivors. Various charities associated with militant groups also responded.

They included the al-Rashid Trust, which is banned by the UN Security Council and accused of being a conduit for al-Qaeda financing. The group is also on Pakistan's own terrorism watch list.

But the UN on the ground delivered aid to relief camps controlled by al-Rashid - tents, trucks, medicine, blankets and schools.

UN agencies also worked with Jamaat ud-Dawa, another charity which the US state department claims has close associations with the outlawed militant group, Lashkar-e-Toiba.

Jamaat denies it has any association with Lashkar, which has been linked to a series of attacks on civilians in Indian-administered Kashmir, as well as attacks on civilians and US troops in eastern Afghanistan.

UN denial

Jamaat ud-Dawa's publications include praise for violent jihad (holy war), as well as venomous attacks on Hindus, Jews and Western aid agencies.

I asked the UN's humanitarian coordinator, Jan Vandemoortele, why they had worked with such extremist groups.

"No, we never worked with them. We were active in the camps that were run by them," he told the BBC's File on Four programme.

"From a humanitarian perspective we did not take a position that we would leave those people aside. We knew those people needed help. We intervened but we never had any direct relationship with those groups."

The UN says it was a matter of life and death but what's interesting is that Jamaat ud-Dawa and al-Rashid Trust and their brand of extremist Islam never had a big presence in these areas before the earthquake.

But their relief efforts - and the aid they got from international agencies - have really boosted their position ['position', read, INFLUENCE -Yadda] locally.

One Jamaat leader told us that people were now trusting them with their children - they hadn't before the earthquake - and they had actively recruited hundreds of children left orphaned or fatherless.

He said they had already sent 400 such children under the age of nine to board at their madrassas, or religious schools, some hundreds of miles from their homes.

That's despite a Pakistan government promise a year ago that these vulnerable children would be looked after either by their extended families or by the state, not by outside agencies.

MORE....

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CONTINUED....

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School song

Madrassas have not had a good press in the West in recent years, with some being linked to the Taleban and the recruitment of other militants.

But of course, the vast majority of madrassas in Pakistan are not controversial. And every Jamaat leader I spoke to kept reassuring me that their schools have a broad-based curriculum.

But at one of their schools in the town of Mansehra - set up initially with the help of the United Nations Children's Fund, Unicef - primary children were singing a song at morning assembly which many might find disturbing.

It includes the line: "When people deny our faith, ask them to convert and if they don't, destroy them utterly."

I asked the Jamaat ud-Dawa spokesman, Abdullah Montazzer, why they were teaching such bloodthirsty songs to young children.

"No, they weren't singing that," he said. "Lots of infidels came in the aid effort and they weren't harmed. I don't believe these kids were singing these kind of songs."

I put it to him that virtually everyone I had spoken to in Pakistan said Jamaat and Lashkar were the same thing.

"We are not at all a militant organisation and we have no links with Lashkar at all."

'Backing terrorists'

Larry Robinson, who served as political counsellor at the US embassy in Islamabad until a year ago, says it is not so simple.

"The al-Rashid Trust was identified very early on after 9/11 as a major financial supporter of terrorist organisations, including al-Qaeda," he told the BBC.

"It was officially banned and shut down and yet it has continued to operate, and it remains one of the larger charitable organisations in Pakistan.

"More recently the United States has put Jamaat ud-Dawa on the same list although the UN has not yet done so. These are both quite substantial organisations that do a large amount of very legitimate charitable and disaster relief work.

But he says there is no doubt that Jamaat ud-Dawa is also involved in activities that are not purely humanitarian.

"Jamaat ud-Dawa has a relationship to Lashkar-e-Toiba very similar to that of Sinn Fein to the IRA."

'Distorted Islam'

Pakistan's government praised both Jamaat ud-Dawa and the al-Rashid Trust in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake.

It said it was not aware of orphans being recruited to madrassas, but that it was monitoring the situation.

Interior Minister Aftab Mohammad Sherpao said the authorities could not take action against Jamaat ud-Dawa because the group had not been banned by the UN Security Council.

However, he said, the government would act if the group strayed beyond its humanitarian mission.

But should groups which espouse ideas of violent jihad be allowed to look after children at all - let alone those traumatised by the earthquake?

Samina Ahmed of the International Crisis Group, a research organisation dedicated to reducing conflict in the world, thinks not.

"It's the concept of violence being put in an acceptable religious form that I think is so incredibly dangerous - as dangerous as the physical training in the use of guns.

"It is accepting the concept of a very distorted version of radical Islam."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5402756.stm

COMMENT by Yadda.....
It appears to me, that, THAT news report, was compiled by a REAL journalist, 'back when'.

Though i am still puzzelled at how such a candid and high value news report, could ever have been broadcast from the BBC news site. !!!

I feel certain, that such a blatantly candid news report [concerning followers of ISLAM, and ISLAMIC 'charities'] would never be published by the BBC in 2021 !

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Re: There are plenty of great Muslims
Reply #14 - Feb 10^th, 2021 at 8:37am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 8^th, 2021 at 9:48am:

https://www.smcclub.com.au/

Want an example though Yadda, here you go.

An excellent charity group of Muslim cyclists.

bojack,

THEY ARE NOT, actually, a "charity group of Muslim cyclists".

.....though, yes, IT APPEARS, that they do collect monies, and donate to ISLAMIC 'charities' and 'aid' groups in moslem majority countries.

Quote:

.....the Sydney Muslim Cyclists Club was officially launched in January 2015 as a social club for like minded people with a passion for cycling. The club is open for all people regardless of ethnicity, colour or creed.

SMC’s core focus is to help build bridges with in the Australian community through the love of cycling.

https://www.smcclub.com.au/About/

Some of their donation recipients, overseas.

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2014 Winter Appeal Charity Refugees in Syria Muslim Aid Australia $10,586
2016 Ride for Tanzania Charity Building Water Wells in Tanzania ARO $6,000
2016 Ride for Hope Charity Orphanage in Malawi ARO $1,000
2020 SMC Lebanon Appeal - Wollongong Ride Charity Poverty in Lebanon Human Appeal $10,000

https://www.smcclub.com.au/ride-portfolio/

All very noble, helping these persons and organisations in ISLAMIC nations, but....

QUESTION;
But is there any GENUINE scrutiny of how these moslem recipients of 'Aussie' cash aid, are actually dispersing these monies ???

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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