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Reply #15 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 2:13pm
 
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Slavery goes back to the dawn of time.


It goes back to some time after the rise of agricultural civilisation. Some time in the last 10000 years. Slavery cannot work if the salves are free to wander off.
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Reply #16 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 2:55pm
 
The African slave trade was started by....er.....Africans.
And flourished for a 1000 years under Islam.





The sale of African slaves can be traced back to antiquity. It became popular in the seventh century when Islam was gaining strength in North Africa. This was seven centuries before Europeans explored the continent and ten centuries before West Africans were sold across the Atlantic to America.

Zanzinbar's former slave holding center
Zanzibar's Prison Island was the place where slaves were kept before being transported to other destinations

Back then, Arab Muslims in North and East Africa sold captured Africans to the Middle East. There, they worked as field workers, teachers or harem guards, which is why the castration of male slaves was common practice. Muslims, on the other hand, including African Muslims, were not allowed to be enslaved, according to Islamic legal views.

"Initially, the Arab Muslims in Eastern and Central Europe took white slaves to sell them to Arabia," Senegalese author Tidiane N'Diaye told DW in an interview. "But  the growing military power of Europe put an end to Islamic expansion and now that there was a shortage of slaves, Arab Muslims were looking massively to black Africa."

Roots of slavery in Africa

According to N'Diaye, slavery has existed in practically all civilizations. This was also the case in Africa before settlers came.

In central East Africa, ethnic groups such as the Yao, Makua and Marava were fighting against each other and entire peoples within the continent traded with people they had captured through wars. "Thus Arab Muslims encountered already existing structures, which facilitated the purchase of slaves for their purposes."

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Reply #17 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:15pm
 
A slave auction in Virginia 1860:

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Slaves Waiting for Sale, Richmond, Virginia, 1861:

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Reply #18 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:16pm
 
African Merchant Selling Slaves to a European:

http://slaveryimages.org/s/slaveryimages/item/1982/mirador

Slave Auction at Richmond:

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An advertisement of a slave auction:

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Without a market there would have been no slave trade.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:20pm
 
See what's happening here? Brian keeps trying to change the subject to the American slave trade and European involvement. Which is OK up to a point, but everyone knows about it. We are inundated with references to that trade and its history. I'll bet he didn't even know about the East African Islamic slave trade, and now he doesn't want to recognise it as an evil as vicious as the Atlantic trade. And he certainly isn't going to talk about it here, after his continuous defense of Islam.
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Reply #20 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:24pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:20pm:
See what's happening here? Brian keeps trying to change the subject to the American slave trade and European involvement. Which is OK up to a point, but everyone knows about it. We are inundated with references to that trade and its history. I'll bet he didn't even know about the East African Islamic slave trade, and now he doesn't want to recognise it as an evil as vicious as the Atlantic trade. And he certainly isn't going to talk about it here, after his continuous defense of Islam.


Where have I defended Islam's involvement in this appalling trade?

That reveals a great deal more about your views than mine.  However, slavery would not have existed without a market to sustain it.  Something you are trying to deflect attention from with your condemnation continuously of Islam and Muslims.  It seems, according to your posts, that Europeans and Americans in particular, are blameless in this whole matter.  They weren't.  Particularly here, in Australia where there were no Arabs, no Muslims and only Europeans and Blacks.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #21 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:38pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:24pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:20pm:
See what's happening here? Brian keeps trying to change the subject to the American slave trade and European involvement. Which is OK up to a point, but everyone knows about it. We are inundated with references to that trade and its history. I'll bet he didn't even know about the East African Islamic slave trade, and now he doesn't want to recognise it as an evil as vicious as the Atlantic trade. And he certainly isn't going to talk about it here, after his continuous defense of Islam.


Where have I defended Islam's involvement in this appalling trade?




You ignore every mention of it and switch immediately to eyerolling stupid mode.  Every time it comes up, with its history at least SIX TIMES AS LONG as the Atlantic slave trade and still going, you go doggo and start yapping about 'look over there, the Civil War'.

You are lying and you are dishonest, Bbwian. Oh - and really stupid and ignorant. That's  the making of the cockwomble you are. You are too ignorant but cunning enough to lie and distort.

How many yawn - ie admissions of your lies- have I nailed you for, Bbwian?

At least 2 possibly 3.

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Reply #22 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:47pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:24pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:20pm:
See what's happening here? Brian keeps trying to change the subject to the American slave trade and European involvement. Which is OK up to a point, but everyone knows about it. We are inundated with references to that trade and its history. I'll bet he didn't even know about the East African Islamic slave trade, and now he doesn't want to recognise it as an evil as vicious as the Atlantic trade. And he certainly isn't going to talk about it here, after his continuous defense of Islam.


Where have I defended Islam's involvement in this appalling trade?


You ignore every mention of it and switch immediately to eyerolling stupid mode.  Every time it comes up, with its history at least SIX TIMES AS LONG as the Atlantic slave trade and still going, you go doggo and start yapping about 'look over there, the Civil War'.


No, I make a valid point to demonstrate that your persecution of ordinary Muslims is unfounded, Soren.  Which of course you take umbrage at and resort to argument ad hominem rather than create a counter-argument that has any value to it.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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You are lying and you are dishonest, Bbwian. Oh - and really stupid and ignorant. That's  the making of the cockwomble you are. You are too ignorant but cunning enough to lie and distort.


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How many yawn - ie admissions of your lies- have I nailed you for, Bbwian?

At least 2 possibly 3.


In your imagination perhaps, Soren.  Never in reality.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Islamic Slave Trade in Africa
Reply #23 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:47pm:
Which of course you take umbrage at and resort to argument ad hominem rather than create a counter-argument that has any value to it.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You do this all the time, you've got to admit a yawn for a counter argument is kinda lame.
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Reply #24 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 6:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:47pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:24pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:20pm:
See what's happening here? Brian keeps trying to change the subject to the American slave trade and European involvement. Which is OK up to a point, but everyone knows about it. We are inundated with references to that trade and its history. I'll bet he didn't even know about the East African Islamic slave trade, and now he doesn't want to recognise it as an evil as vicious as the Atlantic trade. And he certainly isn't going to talk about it here, after his continuous defense of Islam.


Where have I defended Islam's involvement in this appalling trade?


You ignore every mention of it and switch immediately to eyerolling stupid mode.  Every time it comes up, with its history at least SIX TIMES AS LONG as the Atlantic slave trade and still going, you go doggo and start yapping about 'look over there, the Civil War'.


No, I make a valid point to demonstrate that your persecution of ordinary Muslims is unfounded, Soren.  Which of course you take umbrage at and resort to argument ad hominem rather than create a counter-argument that has any value to it.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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You are lying and you are dishonest, Bbwian. Oh - and really stupid and ignorant. That's  the making of the cockwomble you are. You are too ignorant but cunning enough to lie and distort.


https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

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How many yawn - ie admissions of your lies- have I nailed you for, Bbwian?

At least 2 possibly 3.


In your imagination perhaps, Soren.  Never in reality.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Sooooo what DO you have to say about 1300 years of Islamic slave trade - other than mentioning it is persecuting Muslims and that anyone who mentions it is an islamophobe, tut tut eyeroll, grin, yawn, bedwet, shitpants?

Anything ELSE? Do you have anything else?
No.  And so you are piss-soaked. You declare idiocies, you are challenged, you yawn, you are pissed on, you scream phobia.

Repeat for another 20 years.i
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Reply #25 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 6:12pm
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:47pm:
Which of course you take umbrage at and resort to argument ad hominem rather than create a counter-argument that has any value to it.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You do this all the time, you've got to admit a yawn for a counter argument is kinda lame.


I find bwyannnmnnn's rebuttal very concise, well thought out and totally logical.
His mastery of the English language and subsequent counter arguments are so compelling that it precludes any reply to the contrary.

It is testament to his many doctorates and educational achievements in so many things.

Without question, he has mastered the art of debate and will go down in history as a master in the field of linguistic manipulation.

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Reply #26 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 7:46pm
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:47pm:
Which of course you take umbrage at and resort to argument ad hominem rather than create a counter-argument that has any value to it.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You do this all the time, you've got to admit a yawn for a counter argument is kinda lame.


Nothing about Soren's constant resorting to argument ad hominem, Set?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Tsk, tsk.  Appears you are rather one sided in your criticism.  Why?  Is it because my yawns annoy you while Soren's antics don't?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #27 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 7:48pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 6:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:47pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:24pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:20pm:
See what's happening here? Brian keeps trying to change the subject to the American slave trade and European involvement. Which is OK up to a point, but everyone knows about it. We are inundated with references to that trade and its history. I'll bet he didn't even know about the East African Islamic slave trade, and now he doesn't want to recognise it as an evil as vicious as the Atlantic trade. And he certainly isn't going to talk about it here, after his continuous defense of Islam.


Where have I defended Islam's involvement in this appalling trade?


You ignore every mention of it and switch immediately to eyerolling stupid mode.  Every time it comes up, with its history at least SIX TIMES AS LONG as the Atlantic slave trade and still going, you go doggo and start yapping about 'look over there, the Civil War'.


No, I make a valid point to demonstrate that your persecution of ordinary Muslims is unfounded, Soren.  Which of course you take umbrage at and resort to argument ad hominem rather than create a counter-argument that has any value to it.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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You are lying and you are dishonest, Bbwian. Oh - and really stupid and ignorant. That's  the making of the cockwomble you are. You are too ignorant but cunning enough to lie and distort.


https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

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How many yawn - ie admissions of your lies- have I nailed you for, Bbwian?

At least 2 possibly 3.


In your imagination perhaps, Soren.  Never in reality.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Sooooo what DO you have to say about 1300 years of Islamic slave trade - other than mentioning it is persecuting Muslims and that anyone who mentions it is an islamophobe, tut tut eyeroll, grin, yawn, bedwet, shitpants?

Anything ELSE? Do you have anything else?
No.  And so you are piss-soaked. You declare idiocies, you are challenged, you yawn, you are pissed on, you scream phobia.

Repeat for another 20 years.



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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Anything of value to add to the thread?  Anything at all, Soren?  No, it doesn't appear so, just more argument ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Islamic Slave Trade in Africa
Reply #28 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 7:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 7:48pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 6:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:47pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:24pm:
issuevoter wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 4:20pm:
See what's happening here? Brian keeps trying to change the subject to the American slave trade and European involvement. Which is OK up to a point, but everyone knows about it. We are inundated with references to that trade and its history. I'll bet he didn't even know about the East African Islamic slave trade, and now he doesn't want to recognise it as an evil as vicious as the Atlantic trade. And he certainly isn't going to talk about it here, after his continuous defense of Islam.


Where have I defended Islam's involvement in this appalling trade?


You ignore every mention of it and switch immediately to eyerolling stupid mode.  Every time it comes up, with its history at least SIX TIMES AS LONG as the Atlantic slave trade and still going, you go doggo and start yapping about 'look over there, the Civil War'.


No, I make a valid point to demonstrate that your persecution of ordinary Muslims is unfounded, Soren.  Which of course you take umbrage at and resort to argument ad hominem rather than create a counter-argument that has any value to it.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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You are lying and you are dishonest, Bbwian. Oh - and really stupid and ignorant. That's  the making of the cockwomble you are. You are too ignorant but cunning enough to lie and distort.


https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

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How many yawn - ie admissions of your lies- have I nailed you for, Bbwian?

At least 2 possibly 3.


In your imagination perhaps, Soren.  Never in reality.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Sooooo what DO you have to say about 1300 years of Islamic slave trade - other than mentioning it is persecuting Muslims and that anyone who mentions it is an islamophobe, tut tut eyeroll, grin, yawn, bedwet, shitpants?

Anything ELSE? Do you have anything else?
No.  And so you are piss-soaked. You declare idiocies, you are challenged, you yawn, you are pissed on, you scream phobia.

Repeat for another 20 years.



https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Anything of value to add to the thread?  Anything at all, Soren?  No, it doesn't appear so, just more argument ad hominem.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Caught you again, nailed you again, gelded you again. You are a lying idiot of minimal to no comprehension, unlettered, ignorant - yet loud and demanding attention.  Your dad must have bollocked you more than the nuns, Bbwian. He saw the sad disappointment that you were to him. He most likely wasnt any better than you, in the end.  You seem to be struggling with what kind of arsehole you should be - the one your dad expected you to be or an arsehole, in defiance, of your own devising, yet still a reaction to your dad.

You self reveal at every turn, Bbwian.





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Reply #29 - Feb 21st, 2021 at 9:32pm
 
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However, slavery would not have existed without a market to sustain it.


Sure it would have Brian. That's exactly what happened in the Muslim countries after Europe and America put an end to the international slave trade. The slavery doesn't end just because the market and the trade do.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 7:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2021 at 5:47pm:
Which of course you take umbrage at and resort to argument ad hominem rather than create a counter-argument that has any value to it.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You do this all the time, you've got to admit a yawn for a counter argument is kinda lame.


Nothing about Soren's constant resorting to argument ad hominem, Set?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Tsk, tsk.  Appears you are rather one sided in your criticism.  Why?  Is it because my yawns annoy you while Soren's antics don't?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


If all you post is whining and hypocrisy, that is all people are going to talk to you about.
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