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Reply #15 - Feb 22^nd, 2021 at 11:10am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 6:13pm:

It begs the question of how sure we can be about anything but
especially about something that is impossible to see -
the inside of atoms.

If repeatable experiments provide consistent results then we can be sure.
As I've already mentioned, there is plenty of evidence that our knowledge about atoms is correct, from nuclear reactors to rusting and any other chemical reactions that can easily be predicted and confirmed.

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Reply #16 - Feb 22^nd, 2021 at 11:14am

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 5:57pm:

Science has no ethical, esthetic, interpersonal answers. Science isnt a TOTAL explanation, it is a method of asking questions and testing answers to those questions.

Psychology and anthropology can answer most of the questions you are implying.

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 5:57pm:

But not every question is a scientific one. Most of the ones we live by aren't. This doesnt diminish science, it limits it.

So why don't you provide a question that science can't answer?

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Reply #17 - Feb 22^nd, 2021 at 1:48pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2021 at 11:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 6:13pm:

It begs the question of how sure we can be about anything but
especially about something that is impossible to see -
the inside of atoms.

If repeatable experiments provide consistent results then we can be sure.
As I've already mentioned, there is plenty of evidence that our knowledge about atoms is correct, from nuclear reactors to rusting and any other chemical reactions that can easily be predicted and confirmed.

It's still strange though.
The electrons exist in shells surrounding the atom.
You would think that shells of electrons would all repel each other.

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Reply #18 - Feb 22^nd, 2021 at 2:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2021 at 1:48pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2021 at 11:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 6:13pm:

It begs the question of how sure we can be about anything but
especially about something that is impossible to see -
the inside of atoms.

If repeatable experiments provide consistent results then we can be sure.
As I've already mentioned, there is plenty of evidence that our knowledge about atoms is correct, from nuclear reactors to rusting and any other chemical reactions that can easily be predicted and confirmed.

It's still strange though.
The electrons exist in shells surrounding the atom.
You would think that shells of electrons would all repel each other.

The nucleus contains protons

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104680 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Faith Reply #19 - Feb 22^nd, 2021 at 2:49pm Barny - your point?
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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Faith Reply #20 - Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 10:15am Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2021 at 2:49pm: Barny - your point? I made my response in the wrong field. I have amended my reply
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Reply #21 - Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 10:18am

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 5:57pm:

Science has no ethical, esthetic, interpersonal answers. Science isnt a TOTAL explanation, it is a method of asking questions and testing answers to those questions.

But not every question is a scientific one. Most of the ones we live by aren't. This doesnt diminish science, it limits it.

Frank, I'm waiting to hear the questions you claim that science doesn't have the ability to answer

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Reply #22 - Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 4:45pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 12:15pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 12:14pm:

Isn't faith a poor man's bargaining tool with a book in his hand at the other end of a Military weapon?

If you walk using crutches and you have enough faith -
you can throw the crutches away and walk normally.

Thank Europe for the Medical Industry, while being invaded by Religious people from the Middle-East who walked across the Medical-rannean sea.

As I said to a guy working next to me at the Nursing Station.
"Are you religious?" I asked.
"Yes. I'm a Christian" he answered proudly.
"Well here then - you can do the paperwork" as I got up to attend to the ward again and shoved the paperwork his way.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104680 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Faith Reply #23 - Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 5:09pm The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 10:15am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2021 at 2:49pm: Barny - your point? I made my response in the wrong field. I have amended my reply You said The nucleus contains protons - we know that but there are also neutrons for elements above Hydrogen.
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Reply #24 - Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 9:12pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 10:18am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 5:57pm:

Science has no ethical, esthetic, interpersonal answers. Science isnt a TOTAL explanation, it is a method of asking questions and testing answers to those questions.

But not every question is a scientific one. Most of the ones we live by aren't. This doesnt diminish science, it limits it.

Frank, I'm waiting to hear the questions you claim that science doesn't have the ability to answer

A Scientist will tell us that the Earth is NOT at the center of the Universe - and they are right.
A Spiritualist will tell us that the Earth is the center of OUR Universe and they too are right.

one rules the brain, the other the mind.
But as most people think there can be only one right answer - the world is populated by HALF-WITS on both sides.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #25 - Feb 24^th, 2021 at 3:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 5:09pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 10:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2021 at 2:49pm:

Barny - your point?

I made my response in the wrong field.
I have amended my reply

You said
The nucleus contains protons -
we know that but there are also neutrons for elements above Hydrogen.

electrons are attracted to Protons

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24977 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Faith Reply #26 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 2:10am The last guy that tried to merge faith and religion, lost his job in politics. Not for Australia in the 21st century.
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Reply #27 - Oct 15^th, 2021 at 1:55pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 10:18am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 5:57pm:

Science has no ethical, esthetic, interpersonal answers. Science isnt a TOTAL explanation, it is a method of asking questions and testing answers to those questions.

But not every question is a scientific one. Most of the ones we live by aren't. This doesnt diminish science, it limits it.

Frank, I'm waiting to hear the questions you claim that science doesn't have the ability to answer

Any question about meaning. Any question about purpose (which is ultimately about meaning). Any question about ethics and esthetics (meaning, purpose, value).

All the important, meaningful stuff of life. Science is very valuable but its limits need to be recognised.

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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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Reply #28 - Oct 15^th, 2021 at 7:10pm

Frank wrote on Oct 15^th, 2021 at 1:55pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 10:18am:

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 5:57pm:

Science has no ethical, esthetic, interpersonal answers. Science isnt a TOTAL explanation, it is a method of asking questions and testing answers to those questions.

But not every question is a scientific one. Most of the ones we live by aren't. This doesnt diminish science, it limits it.

Frank, I'm waiting to hear the questions you claim that science doesn't have the ability to answer

Any question about meaning. Any question about purpose (which is ultimately about meaning). Any question about ethics and esthetics (meaning, purpose, value).

All the important, meaningful stuff of life. Science is very valuable but its limits need to be recognised.

Putting aside for now the contentious issue of ‘meaning’ let’s ask ourselves if Freud and Jung’s subjective investigations are now a suitable area for neuroscience to re-exmine or is this area still out of bounds to science?

Or maybe you’re actually asserting only those areas outside the realm of science are important &/or meaningful?

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