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Are we evolving backwards
Mar 3rd, 2021 at 8:19pm
 
As technology created by a minority of clever people allows the lives of the majority to improve and combined with the learned class having fewer children and the rest breed beyond their ability to support them, are we as a total species going backwards?

Our society and support structures allow the weak and less intelligent to survive and to outbreed those that make it possible.

Will stupidity grow and be the end of us?
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Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 8:23pm
 
It's frightening.
The most stupid people have the most kids.
The average IQ of the people of this world must be going down fast.
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Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 9:17pm
 


Peace and prosperity within [successful] civilisations, also tend to bring with them, [envy and] widespread contempt for integrity.

Once integrity is lost, a civilisation will quickly fail.


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Yadda said somewhere.....
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consider this logic circle...

When TRUTH [free and open] is embraced by a people, it brings JUSTICE.
JUSTICE brings PEACE.
PEACE brings PROSPERITY.
PROSPERITY brings GREED, ENVY and PRIDE [vanity] to the hearts of men.
GREED, ENVY and PRIDE are the servants of EVIL [intent].

TRUTH is always the 'cornerstone' of the [transient] building, PROSPERITY.
But, TRUTH is hated and despised by the EVIL heart.
And, if the love of TRUTH in men is displaced, by their embrace of EVIL, then....

When EVIL abides in the hearts of men [empowered by its servants GREED, ENVY and PRIDE],
....JUSTICE and PEACE will be, destroyed by EVIL [intents].
....[and the 'building'] PROSPERITY, will then quickly crumble into dust.

WAR and CONFLICT and DESTRUCTION cannot be far off.
POVERTY and WAR abide together, until they destroy PRIDE [in the heart of men].
When PRIDE is absent, TRUTH will then seek [but is not assured] a presence.

If a love a TRUTH is again embraced [among men], EVIL [intent] will be banished from among them.




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Reply #3 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 10:26pm
 
Good Topic Super Nova.

In the Old days - people worked physically harder, but life was mentally simpler.

In the New days - people work physically easier (thanks to machines), but life is now mentally more complex

...hence the explosion in Mental Illness in the modern era.

I bet many upon Mental Health schedules wish they were having respite with Amish people.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 10:52pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 10:26pm:
Good Topic Super Nova.

In the Old days - people worked physically harder, but life was mentally simpler.

In the New days - people work physically easier (thanks to machines), but life is now mentally more complex

...hence the explosion in Mental Illness in the modern era.

I bet many upon Mental Health schedules wish they were having respite with Amish people.


I am not so sure about that. In the past life was hard. Your chance of dying was high with death only a moment away. Even when we started civilization, most people lived hard lives, being bullied by their superiors or those with more muscle and power. I am sure this would have led to mental illness and passed off as them being weak.

I remember as a kid they called it a breakdown, now we call it a mental illness. A breakdown come with stigma.

Mental illness is not linked to us getting dumber. Stupid people don't know they need to be stressed about their future because they most times accept their lot and complain about those who have more than they do. Then just get on with their natural urges and produce babies without considering their chances for a better future.


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Reply #5 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:02pm
 
The Hunter-Gatherer lifestyle was never 'hard'. As Yuval points out the H-G lifestyle was efficient, stable and sustainable.

Life was 'hard' for those of 'Civilisation' - where only a 'few' benefitted from its advantages, while the majority doesn't beyond having more children to slave away also to the cause.

The H-G lifestyle only changes with nature though and much slower in changes than Civilisation.

Look at it this way.
The 'Mascot' of the Old Worlds was the Physically stronger but mentally weaker 'Cave Man' - and the pursuit of knowledge was to rise above this.

...but in the New World's of Technological and Social complexity - the 'Mascot' is that weak-bodied, but big brained 'Alien'. To rise above this - Physical Health and staying aloof to all that complexity is the way to go.
You could say - Keep It Simple Stupid.
The majority of mental illness is due to 'too much' knowledge - as we are now seeing in a world where knowledge is out of control in many forms and mediums.

Be a Alien in the Old Worlds, but be a Cave Man in the New Worlds.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #6 - Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:05pm
 
Civilisation is like the centre of the Galaxy where everyone goes down that Black Hole in togetherness (and over-crowding).
H-G lifestyle is like living at the edge of the Galaxy where one can dissapear out into the void.

I try to live my life like where our System is situated.
Not in an over-crowded city, but not woop-woop in isolation.
I would say, our System is not even in the suburbs.
But somewhere regional, where a decent size town exists out in the country/rural - but only a short drive to another town.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #7 - Mar 6th, 2021 at 12:01pm
 
Super Nova wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 8:19pm:
Our society and support structures allow the weak and less intelligent to survive and to outbreed those that make it possible.



Partly true. Intelligence isn't completely inherited, it is also affected by environment.

It is true however that the human gene pool is being degraded. Thanks to modern medicine, people who would never have lived to be able to reproduce are now doing so.

I don't know what the answer to that is though.
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Reply #8 - Mar 6th, 2021 at 1:35pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 12:01pm:
Super Nova wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 8:19pm:
Our society and support structures allow the weak and less intelligent to survive and to outbreed those that make it possible.



Partly true. Intelligence isn't completely inherited, it is also affected by environment.

It is true however that the human gene pool is being degraded. Thanks to modern medicine, people who would never have lived to be able to reproduce are now doing so.

I don't know what the answer to that is though.


You both have brought up a very hard philosophical subject with your posts there. I'm a bit stumped on that too.

But it's worth looking into.

A Tribe (as recently seen on doco on NITV, but I forget the name of it) in South America would 'cull' their elderly and even infants if it meant compromising the survival of the Tribe overall.

Yet, to use an imaginary Tribe, that keeps it's Down Syndrome member alive and supports it - due to compassion (?), takes a harder path.
Look what happened to the 300 Spartans when they 'rejected' that flawed being that should have been thrown into the pit of imperfection.

I think (so far) that 'both' are right in their ways.

...gee, this one is a tough one.  Undecided

You both realise that this Topic could threaten the Nanny State that has evolved.  Cheesy
Wonder what Aqua would say?


And Gandalf said "Because Bilbo gives me courage"
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #9 - Mar 6th, 2021 at 3:49pm
 
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Reply #10 - Mar 7th, 2021 at 8:31am
 
Super Nova wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 8:19pm:
As technology created by a minority of clever people allows the lives of the majority to improve and combined with the learned class having fewer children and the rest breed beyond their ability to support them, are we as a total species going backwards?

Our society and support structures allow the weak and less intelligent to survive and to outbreed those that make it possible.

Will stupidity grow and be the end of us?


I am not convinced the unlearned are less intelligent The population explosion combined with unfettered consumerism have the potential for disaster, but I don't see any past epoch when humanity demonstrated great intelligence. We are very good at flattering ourselves, and the learned are better at it than most, and remain as avaricious as ever. That's not very intelligent in my book.

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Reply #11 - Mar 7th, 2021 at 10:27am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 1:35pm:
You both have brought up a very hard philosophical subject with your posts there. I'm a bit stumped on that too.

But it's worth looking into.

A Tribe (as recently seen on doco on NITV, but I forget the name of it) in South America would 'cull' their elderly and even infants if it meant compromising the survival of the Tribe overall.

Yet, to use an imaginary Tribe, that keeps it's Down Syndrome member alive and supports it - due to compassion (?), takes a harder path.


It's even more brutal than that.
Would anyone be prepared to return to the days of half of children dying before adulthood, women dying in childbirth and healthy adults dying of preventable diseases all for some vaguely perceived "improvement of the gene pool" ?

This would not be acceptable to people

Proof is the reaction of the majority of the world to covid-19 which shows that we are not prepared to sacrifice even our elderly and vulnerable.


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Reply #12 - Mar 7th, 2021 at 10:32am
 
What about the elephant in the room that everyone has missed.

The deliberate dumbing down of the population through the education system and the host of electronic data that we are all subjected to every day.

Keep the plebs busy so they are none the wiser..... Kiss

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Reply #13 - Mar 8th, 2021 at 9:52am
 
Ajax wrote on Mar 7th, 2021 at 10:32am:
What about the elephant in the room that everyone has missed.

The deliberate dumbing down of the population through the education system and the host of electronic data that we are all subjected to every day.

Keep the plebs busy so they are none the wiser..... Kiss



No that's not what this subject is about
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Reply #14 - Mar 8th, 2021 at 12:43pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 8th, 2021 at 9:52am:
Ajax wrote on Mar 7th, 2021 at 10:32am:
What about the elephant in the room that everyone has missed.

The deliberate dumbing down of the population through the education system and the host of electronic data that we are all subjected to every day.

Keep the plebs busy so they are none the wiser..... Kiss



No that's not what this subject is about


Why isn't it?

When we're talking about the survival of the species, all subject matter is relevant to the discussion

Dumbing down of populations by "top-of-the-pyramid" hierarchies has made civilizations disappear, or be taken over by stronger civilizations

To-day, we have a global top-of-the-pyramid political hierarchy demanding that we all tow their political line. We get dumbed down to their way of thinking, and often punished for saying or doing anything different

Should the survival of the species be left in the hands of only a "God like" global hierarchy?

Remembering of course that single entity hierarchies, "dictatorships", both left and right, inevitably brought misery to their people

At the moment, we are all being asked, nay practically ordered, to follow global PC politics and thought processes. Even our democracies demand it now. "Single entity" hierarchies can be made up of various groups pitching in together, but are no less single entity - destroyer of dissension and destroyer of civilizations

To survive, there must be no "dictatorships" ruling over the masses. Generally speaking, the masses will ultimately work things out for themselves, with guidance perhaps, but certainly not with authoritarian dictatorial methods, regardless of who it's coming from, whether soft or harsh rulers 




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