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Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Mar 7th, 2021 at 9:35pm
 
How much of this from the climate change religion has proven to be true?

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Sun 22 Feb 2004
Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us



Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters.

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer,warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate by 2020Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority.

Climate change ‘should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern’, say the authors,Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is ‘plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately’, they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions.

Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of climate change.

Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change.

Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon’s dire warnings could no longer be ignored.

You’ve got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across the Potomac river you’ve got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars. It’s pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this issue,’ said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain.By 2020 ‘catastrophic’ shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated.

Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a disaster happening. ‘We don’t know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years,’ he said.

More here- https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver

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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #1 - Mar 8th, 2021 at 9:18am
 
Interesting that they got it so wrong.
Gullible people like Monk and Al Gore fell for it.
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Reply #2 - Mar 8th, 2021 at 10:34am
 
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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


Wed 12 Oct 2005

Rising sea levels, desertification and shrinking freshwater supplies will create up to 50 million environmental refugees by the end of the decade, experts warn today. Janos Bogardi, director of the Institute for Environment and Human Security at the United Nations University in Bonn, said creeping environmental deterioration already displaced up to 10 million people a year, and the situation would get worse.

"There are well-founded fears that the number of people fleeing untenable environmental conditions may grow exponentially as the world experiences the effects of climate change," Dr Bogardi said. "This new category of refugee needs to find a place in international agreements. We need to better anticipate support requirements, similar to those of people fleeing other unviable situations."

Tony Oliver-Smith, a natural hazards expert at the University of Florida, said: "Around the world vulnerability is on the increase, due to the rapid development of megacities in coastal areas. Combine this trend with rising sea levels and the growing number and intensity of storms and it is a recipe for a disaster, with enormous potential to create waves of environment-driven migration."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2005/oct/12/naturaldisasters.climatechan...



Where are these 50 million environmental refugees the experts claimed we would have by the end of the decade?

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Reply #3 - Mar 8th, 2021 at 9:20pm
 
If Sydney gets its first recorded Cyclone - then you know the world has its head down the toilet trying to vomit the pollutants in its system up.
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Reply #4 - Mar 9th, 2021 at 4:18pm
 
Mankind is helpless in times of universal cyclical change.

I think there has been 5 mass extinctions on earth in the past, we're probably over due for another one.
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Reply #5 - Mar 9th, 2021 at 6:34pm
 
moses wrote on Mar 9th, 2021 at 4:18pm:
Mankind is helpless in times of universal cyclical change.

I think there has been 5 mass extinctions on earth in the past, we're probably over due for another one.


True. There's the 'Meteor' extinction - which the Military love, because it gives them an excuse to make Nukes, just in case they have to send em into outer space to destroy an oncoming meteor.

Then there are a few 'Methane' and other gaseous Extinctions (95% apparently). Greenies like these ones because they represent Pollution extinction.

As life was primordial, the earth suffered another mass extinction by freezing entirely over for millions of years. Guess the sun dimmed a bit?

Now we have another potential mass extinction via one of the planet's own 'life-forms'... humans.
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Reply #6 - Mar 9th, 2021 at 8:44pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 8th, 2021 at 9:18am:
Interesting that they got it so wrong.
Gullible people like Monk and Al Gore fell for it.



When the predicted outcomes don't match the observed results the science used to predict that outcome is bullcrap.

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Reply #7 - Mar 9th, 2021 at 8:49pm
 
When the data doesn't match the predictions - change the data.
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Reply #8 - Mar 9th, 2021 at 8:52pm
 
I 100% believe in agw and the need to decarbonise the economy, BUT....most of the modelling is total garbage.

I also think the more pressing matter is to stop the plastification of the ocean.
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Reply #9 - Mar 9th, 2021 at 9:40pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2021 at 8:52pm:
I 100% believe in agw and the need to decarbonise the economy, BUT....most of the modelling is total garbage.

I also think the more pressing matter is to stop the plastification of the ocean.


I am not convinced on the global warming stuff it has many problems that people ignore while claiming the science is settled. If the predicted outcomes don't match observed results and aren't even close it's absurd to claim the science is settled as the only thing that is settled with that is the science used for predicted outcomes is garbage and must be thrown out.

I am not convinced with decarbonising the economy it's buzzwords used by those from the global warming religion. If we look at Organic chemistry it deals with carbon compounds.
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Organic chemistry


Organic chemistry is a branch of chemistry that studies the structure, properties and reactions of organic compounds, which contain carbon in covalent bonding.[1]

Organic compounds form the basis of all earthly lifeand constitute the majority of known chemicals. The bonding patterns of carbon, with its valence of four—formal single, double, and triple bonds, plus structures with delocalized electrons—make the array of organic compounds structurally diverse, and their range of applications enormous. They form the basis of, or are constituents of, many commercial products including pharmaceuticals; petrochemicals and agrichemicals, and products made from them including lubricants, solvents; plastics; fuels and explosives. The study of organic chemistry overlaps organometallic chemistry and biochemistry, but also with medicinal chemistry, polymer chemistry, and materials science.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_chemistry


I think we should strive to reduce pollution which is something the global warming cultists never mention.
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Reply #10 - Mar 9th, 2021 at 9:51pm
 
Hansen (the father of AGW) 2011 -

"The basic physics underlying this global warming, the greenhouse gas effect, is simple. An increase in gases such as CO2 makes the atmosphere more opaque at infrared wavelengths. This added opacity causes the planet’s heat radiation to space to arise from higher, colder levels in the atmosphere, thus reducing emission of heat energy to space. "

https://arxiv.org/abs/1105.1140

Opacity -


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There is no sudden drastic change in opacity.

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Out going radiation (OLR) has increased not decreased.

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Reply #11 - Mar 10th, 2021 at 9:25pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 8th, 2021 at 10:34am:
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50m environmental refugees by end of decade, UN warns


Wed 12 Oct 2005

Rising sea levels, desertification and shrinking freshwater supplies will create up to 50 million environmental refugees by the end of the decade, experts warn today. Janos Bogardi, director of the Institute for Environment and Human Security at the United Nations University in Bonn, said creeping environmental deterioration already displaced up to 10 million people a year, and the situation would get worse.

"There are well-founded fears that the number of people fleeing untenable environmental conditions may grow exponentially as the world experiences the effects of climate change," Dr Bogardi said. "This new category of refugee needs to find a place in international agreements. We need to better anticipate support requirements, similar to those of people fleeing other unviable situations."

Tony Oliver-Smith, a natural hazards expert at the University of Florida, said: "Around the world vulnerability is on the increase, due to the rapid development of megacities in coastal areas. Combine this trend with rising sea levels and the growing number and intensity of storms and it is a recipe for a disaster, with enormous potential to create waves of environment-driven migration."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2005/oct/12/naturaldisasters.climatechan...



Where are these 50 million environmental refugees the experts claimed we would have by the end of the decade?



Did you post this as an example of how gullible climate "skeptics" are?
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Reply #12 - Mar 11th, 2021 at 5:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2021 at 9:25pm:
Did you post this as an example of how gullible climate "skeptics" are?



That would only be the true believers. Wink
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Reply #13 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 8:00am
 
What do you think the UN actually warned 17 years ago?
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Reply #14 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 10:07am
 
If the IPCC where serious about cleaning up the planet the first things they should have done is

1. Stop deforestation (Rain Forrest)

2. Plastification of the ocean

This idea that CO2 is the bad guy and we will all have to pay billions on the stock exchange to save ourselves is nothing short of stupidity.

Anyone who believes those circulation models is stupid especially now after 30 years that empirical data (observations of nature) have proven the models wrong and has shown that they are showing nearly twice the warming we have experienced.

If CO2 affected the temperature of the Earth and caused a greenhouse effect it would be in our history, there's a good place to start.

Because the science of AGW doesn't hold up they have had to conjure up all sorts of doomsday scenarios which have not come to fruition now that we have past the use by date.

After covid-19 global warming will be the next big item to get ticked off, in other words we will have to join up and pay billions for the air we breathe.







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