Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21
st, 2023 at 4:01pm:
With entities as vast as the ocean or the atmosphere you need models to get an understanding, to describe what is happening.
ONLY IF the models are fit for purpose. WE KNOW the climate models run too hot. The ocean graphs are in Zettajoules, which look scary, but when read in ºC are nothing of the sort. There are about 2600 Zettajoules to the ºC, which means their claimed error bars of +/+ 2 Zettajoules are laughable. And the buoys are calibrated in ºC, so you have calculation error both ways. Even Phil Jones, formerly CRU, said that most of the normals prior to about 2005 were mostly made up. So going back to the mid to late 1990's for their data is also problematic.
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21
st, 2023 at 4:01pm:
Re the Arctic, the last thick ice, not as thick as it used to be is off the Canadian Arctic Archipelago. That is where the last big, stable or semi stable polar bear populations are.
Really? They have no stable populations in Svalbard, Russia etc?
"In the Russian Arctic,
thousands of polar bears range over almost 4 million square kilometres of water, islands and mainland coast—all the way from Franz Josef Land in the west to the Bering Strait in the east."
https://www.arcticwwf.org/the-circle/stories/an-updated-look-at-polar-bears-in-t...And that's from WWF. Who really like to cry wolf.
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21
st, 2023 at 4:01pm:
2012 saw winds pushing a lot of ice out the Arctic, this year more melt not as much transport out the Arctic.
And still it wasn't below 2012, that's 11 years now and counting.