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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #195 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:02pm

Polar bears and grizzly bears can and do interbreed.

As the Arctic sea ice disappears polar bears cannot live as they used to, hunting on floe ice etc.

The only big stable population of bears is on the remnant thick ice off the CAA.

Polar bear populations are headed downwards towards extinction.

The present glacial/interglacial cycle of major ice ages has lasted for a million years. In all that time CO2 has been below 300ppm. CO2 is now over 420ppm and rising. We have likely seen the last major ice age.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17094 Gender:	Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago Reply #196 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:03pm And then of course it is known that polar bears travel widely. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/17/polar-bear-researchers-hiding-significant...
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45586 Gender:	Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago Reply #197 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:04pm Polar bear numbers are not increasing.
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #198 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:14pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:02pm:

As the Arctic sea ice disappears polar bears cannot live as they used to, hunting on floe ice etc.

Geez louise. Of course they hunt on ice floes. What do you think seals haul onto? Roll Eyes

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:02pm:

The only big stable population of bears is on the remnant thick ice off the CAA.

So you have a reference for that? Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:02pm:

Polar bear populations are headed downwards towards extinction.

More hyperbole - not backed up by facts. Roll Eyes

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:02pm:

The present glacial/interglacial cycle of major ice ages has lasted for a million years. In all that time CO2 has been below 300ppm. CO2 is now over 420ppm and rising.

And above it. Roll Eyes

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:02pm:

We have likely seen the last major ice age.

Ah and yet you have no reference. Merely unsubstantiated assumptions. Roll Eyes

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17094 Gender:	Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago Reply #199 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:15pm Poor JM. maintaining the rage. JM becomes a fact free zone.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45586 Gender:	Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago Reply #200 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:17pm The CO2 levels are well known.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45586 Gender:	Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago Reply #201 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:22pm Besides which, the Milanlkovitch Cycle predicts there will be more insolation over the the Arctic than now for the next 50K years or so. Polar bears are screwed. So is humanity if we do not do something about AGW.
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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #202 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:27pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:17pm:

The CO2 levels are well known.

And subject to wide error bars. Roll Eyes

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:22pm:

Besides which, the Milanlkovitch Cycle predicts there will be more insolation over the the Arctic than now for the next 50K years or so.

Ah Poor petal. Predictions now. Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:22pm:

Polar bears are screwed.

And yet you can't cite anything. Roll Eyes

"Fossil results indicate polar bears survived last global warming deglaciation in Siberian and Canadian refugia"

https://phys.org/news/2023-09-fossil-results-polar-survived-global.html

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:22pm:

So is humanity if we do not do something about AGW.

Ah yes 1.5C was gunna make us sick, 2C is gunna kill us. Or drive us all to drink and take drugs... except in Singapore or other tropical places, of course. Grin

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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #203 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm

We have AGW and a MUCH higher level Of CO2 now than at any other time in the last million years or so.

Big ice floes that polar bears need to hunt seals are disappearing with the ice—while the volume of ice, as we have seen, is decreasing pretty steadily the extent or area is slightly increasing—the ice outside the CAA area is slush not solid ice.

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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #204 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:38pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

We have AGW and a MUCH higher level Of CO2 now than at any other time in the last million years or so.

Remember those wide error bars. Grin

And then of course CO2 lagged and still LAGS temperature. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

Big ice floes that polar bears need to hunt seals are disappearing with the ice—while the volume of ice, as we have seen, is decreasing pretty steadily the extent or area is slightly increasing—the ice outside the CAA area is slush not solid ice.

Again, unsupported by evidence. Why is that? Wink

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Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago
Reply #205 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:42pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

We have AGW and a MUCH higher level Of CO2 now than at any other time in the last million years or so.

Big ice floes that polar bears need to hunt seals are disappearing with the ice—while the volume of ice, as we have seen, is decreasing pretty steadily the extent or area is slightly increasing—the ice outside the CAA area is slush not solid ice.

Please don't use acronyms.
What does CAA mean?

164 definitions here:

https://www.acronymfinder.com/CAA.html

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45586 Gender:	Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago Reply #206 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 5:21pm Read back, high school dropout.
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100824 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago Reply #207 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 5:24pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 5:21pm: Read back, high school dropout. You are a recalcitrant. CAA - anyone?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45586 Gender:	Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago Reply #208 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 5:33pm You are an idiot. CAA = Canadian Arctic Archipelago. Now you still don’t know what/where it is. Hopeless!
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100824 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Climate change predictions 17 years ago Reply #209 - Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 5:38pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2023 at 5:33pm: You are an idiot. CAA = Canadian Arctic Archipelago. Now you still don’t know what/where it is. Hopeless! It's not even on the list of 164 acronyms of CAA - you dickhead. https://www.acronymfinder.com/CAA.html
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