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Re: The F35 environment
Reply #60 - Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 7:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 7:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 6:03pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 5:56pm:
Bobby, you posted a 100 year old, Racist cartoon.  No persecution of innocent people is allowed.  Why do you find that such a hard rule to obey?  Do you thirst to persecute innocent people?  It certainly appears so.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian - it's a politics forum -
not a left wing, woke, progressive meet up.
Grow a set of balls.


https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Spoken by a creature that obviously doesn't have any.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian,
I offered you an olive branch above.


If you cannot play by the rules, that is your choice, Bobby.  JaSin can.  Belgarion can.  Many other posters can.  Why do you find it so hard?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The F35 environment
Reply #61 - Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:27pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:23pm:
If you cannot play by the rules, that is your choice, Bobby.  JaSin can.  Belgarion can.  Many other posters can.  Why do you find it so hard?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Brian - you've lost the plot -
this is a politics - debating forum -
not somewhere that you impose only your point of view.
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Re: The F35 environment
Reply #62 - Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:56pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:23pm:
If you cannot play by the rules, that is your choice, Bobby.  JaSin can.  Belgarion can.  Many other posters can.  Why do you find it so hard?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Brian - you've lost the plot -
this is a politics - debating forum -
not somewhere that you impose only your point of view.


Back in the very old days of USENet, there were nothing except words to make an argument, Bobby.  Today, you have access to the entire WWW's resources.  Shame a lot of it still revolves around the persecution of innocent people who don't deserve it.  All the other posts appear able to make their arguments without resorting to the use of offensives, Racist, cartoons.  I wonder why you have so much difficulty?  Could it be that deep down, at heart, you are a Racist, Bobby?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The F35 environment
Reply #63 - Mar 16th, 2021 at 9:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:56pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:23pm:
If you cannot play by the rules, that is your choice, Bobby.  JaSin can.  Belgarion can.  Many other posters can.  Why do you find it so hard?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Brian - you've lost the plot -
this is a politics - debating forum -
not somewhere that you impose only your point of view.


Back in the very old days of USENet, there were nothing except words to make an argument, Bobby.  Today, you have access to the entire WWW's resources.  Shame a lot of it still revolves around the persecution of innocent people who don't deserve it.  All the other posts appear able to make their arguments without resorting to the use of offensives, Racist, cartoons.  I wonder why you have so much difficulty?  Could it be that deep down, at heart, you are a Racist, Bobby?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Brian -
this is not a racist cartoon:
https://imgpile.com/images/7LaI1F.jpg

it was stating facts.

Did you know about the
lapse of the Chinese exclusion law May 5th 1902?

You only found out about it because of me - that's who.

https://study.com/academy/answer/was-the-chinese-exclusion-act-made-permanent-in...
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Re: The F35 environment
Reply #64 - Mar 16th, 2021 at 9:50pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 9:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:56pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:23pm:
If you cannot play by the rules, that is your choice, Bobby.  JaSin can.  Belgarion can.  Many other posters can.  Why do you find it so hard?  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Brian - you've lost the plot -
this is a politics - debating forum -
not somewhere that you impose only your point of view.


Back in the very old days of USENet, there were nothing except words to make an argument, Bobby.  Today, you have access to the entire WWW's resources.  Shame a lot of it still revolves around the persecution of innocent people who don't deserve it.  All the other posts appear able to make their arguments without resorting to the use of offensives, Racist, cartoons.  I wonder why you have so much difficulty?  Could it be that deep down, at heart, you are a Racist, Bobby?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Brian -
this is not a racist cartoon:
https://imgpile.com/images/7LaI1F.jpg

it was stating facts.

Did you know about the
lapse of the Chinese exclusion law May 5th 1902?

You only found out about it because of me - that's who.

https://study.com/academy/answer/was-the-chinese-exclusion-act-made-permanent-in...


I was well aware of it, way back in the mid-1980s, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The F35 environment
Reply #65 - Mar 16th, 2021 at 9:52pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 9:50pm:
I was well aware of it, way back in the mid-1980s, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Sorry - of course - you would know.
What about your readers?

I didn't know until about a week ago.
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Reply #66 - Mar 16th, 2021 at 10:15pm
 
You guys still going at it? Grin

Gordon's got a valid good point there Brian.
You can't be too pedantic, as a Mod - you may have free reign in your own Board. But you also have to act on behalf of the Forum as a whole. Don't act like the Trolls from Monkey Mania, who say they are in it for the good of the Forum, but are only in it for themselves (and their PA tree house).
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #67 - Mar 16th, 2021 at 10:17pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 10:15pm:
You guys still going at it? Grin

Gordon's got a valid good point there Brian.
You can't be too pedantic, as a Mod - you may have free reign in your own Board. But you also have to act on behalf of the Forum as a whole. Don't act like the Trolls from Monkey Mania, who say they are in it for the good of the Forum, but are only in it for themselves (and their PA tree house).



Did you know about the
lapse of the Chinese exclusion law May 5th 1902?
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Reply #68 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 5:13pm
 
Another report about the F-35.
Looks like we bought a lemon.

https://www.advanceaustralia.org.au/f_35_incapable_of_defending_aus

The F-35 Joint Striker is
incapable of defending Australia.



March 26, 2021

There’s a reason the CCP thinks we’re “gum stuck to China’s shoe”.

Like Advance and its tens of thousands of supporters, Xi Jinping and his mates know Australia hasn’t got the sufficient defence capabilities required to defend ourselves from a northern threat.

Just look at our Air Force.

As far back as 2002, Australia put all its cards in the F-35 Joint Striker basket.

Now after 33 of the F-35s have entered into service, it’s announced the aircraft’s forecast flying hours have been slashed by 36 per cent, after the US Air Force said they should only be flown infrequently due to engine-wear problems.

The F-35 isn’t alone.

The C-27J Spartan — a new battlefield lifter added to Defence’s project watchlist because of problems with its electronic protection system — has had its flying hours cut by 55 per cent.

The navy’s MH-60R Seahawk helicopter has had its 2020-21 flying hours reduced by 30 per cent, while the classic F/A-18 Hornets’ hours have been cut 20 per cent.

This is an embarrassment to Australia and a gross disservice to Australian taxpayers who’ll be burdened by the cost of such blunders for generations to come.

Although, US Air Force Chief of Staff Charles Brown tried to downplay concerns about the reduced flying hours of the F-35 by saying “you don’t drive your Ferrari to work every day, you only drive it on Sundays,” his comparison is unfair.

As made clear by Robert Gottliebsen this week, the F-35 is nowhere near the Ferrari of the skies.

Why?

Well while it’s true the F-35 has world-leading avionics technology, it lags grossly behind its Chinese and Russian competitors in terms of speed and altitude capabilities

For example, the F-35 can only operate at military combat levels of around 35,000 feet, and if using its afterburners can only get above 50,000 feet for a short period of time until it runs out of fuel.

Yet the Russian Sukhoi aircraft (Su-35S, Su-57E) and China’s Chengdu (J-20B) are fully functional at 50,000 to 60,000 feet as they were designed to combat America’s F-22.

Even worse is how the F-22 has been out of product for a decade, with not one based in Australia.

To make the seriousness of all this even clearer, Gottliebsen gave readers a scenario:

“A convoy of Russian Sukhoi or Chinese Chengdu aircraft head to Australia (they might have been sold to another nation) with the intent of bombing Darwin, the Tindal airbase and other targets in our north.

“The F-35 and its software might have sufficient capability to avoid destruction from the aircraft flying above.

“But the JSF/F-35 has a limited range and relies on support from the aerial refueller tankers and the E-7A Wedgetail aircraft.

“The Sukhoi or Chengdu aircraft flying above 50,000 feet can destroy the support aircraft below. “That leaves the JSF exposed because it needs regular mid-air refuelling.”



Hence why we need our top ministerial talent to convince the US to upgrade the F-22 and sell them to Australia, according to Gottliebsen. 

He even hints at the need to clear out the bureaucracy in the Department of Defence:

“An odd situation took place when Senator Jim Molan put the AirPower scenario to high ranking defence officials in the Senate.

“Their reply indicated they did not understand the ability of the Chinese and Russian aircraft to fly above 50,000 feet.

“It is possible that, along with the ministers, they did not know what was in the top-secret document.

“I hope that is wrong.”

So does Advance Australia, Mr Gottliebsen…

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Reply #69 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 5:24pm
 
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/strike-air-combat/7121-us-president-allegedly-...


Donald Trump has officially signed off on the sale of upgraded F-22 variants to Israel, that is, a platform combining the best technology of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, with the best technology of the F-22 to produce what would be the world's undisputed air superiority aircraft.

A major turn of events


"Australian defence officials have constantly stated that the US is not prepared to sell the F-22 to Australia or any other country and that it is too expensive. If the offer to Israel is confirmed by the US House of Representatives, it breaks down the first barrier. At the same time, the cost barrier has been substantially reduced.

"It is vital for the nation that we actually recognise the JSF’s problems and put our hand up for an F-22 that incorporates some of the brilliant technology in the JSF."

Gottliebsen goes further detailing the challenges and opportunities in jumping on board with the proposal, stating, "It is vital for the nation that we actually recognise the JSF’s problems and put our hand up for an F-22 that incorporates some of the brilliant technology in the JSF.

"If we can achieve that goal it will transform the air defence of Australia are and make us a much safer nation. The first hurdle is the US election and then there are lots of hurdles in Congress. But the decision is so sensible that it may appeal to both parties. And the Democrats will be reminded that back in the Clinton presidency they approved the sale to Israel of the F-22. But under the Bush administration it lapsed."
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Reply #70 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 10:19pm
 
Australia always buys junk because they never consult the people who have to use it. Instead they take their advice from Andrew Peacock Sad
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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
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Reply #71 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 10:41pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28th, 2021 at 10:19pm:
Australia always buys junk because they never consult the people who have to use it.
Instead they take their advice from Andrew Peacock Sad



I think Abbott decided to buy them.
The reason was so that we could operate alongside
the Yanks on any missions
due to the electronics compatibility.
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