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Re: Hypothetical- Dutton as Defence Minister
Reply #30 - Apr 28th, 2021 at 10:16am
 
issuevoter wrote on Apr 28th, 2021 at 9:01am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 1:25pm:
Vietnam proved that Conscription is a non-event for Australian society, unless Australia is facing an existential crisis.  Conscripts did quite well in that war but the people back home didn't like the idea of their sons being sent off to possibly die in a foreign war that was really no concern of Australia.  They were unable to vote to for their their fates.  This of course led to the voting age being reduced to 18, rather than 21.  Conscription is such a thorny subject no major Australian Political Party would touch it with a six foot pole.  Il Duce' Dutton is a lunatic but even he would be prevented from trying it by Scotty from Marketing. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


There are those who argue that Communism needed to be opposed in Vietnam, after all in the JFK had warned on allowing the Soviets and Chinese to get Vietnamese tungsten. What really became evident in the process was the utter corruption of the South Vietnamese government. This doomed them in the eyes of their own people.


Despite what the Americans and the Australia Right maintained, Communism was popular in Vietnam.  We were on a losing wicket, as the French before us, had proved.   We'd have been better off helping the Vietnamese to be rid of their corrupt, puppet regime, rather than fighting to maintain it.
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Reply #31 - May 2nd, 2021 at 9:38am
 
Lest we forget
The war against our armed forces

The World of Woke is waging war on Australia’s armed forces, with the Labor premiers of Victoria and Western Australia in the frontline trenches. Victoria has had more than 50 days with no locally acquired Covid-19 cases and WA has only had 100 locally acquired cases during the entire pandemic yet both have dramatically restricted the commemoration of Anzac Day.

How ironic. We ask soldiers to fight in the most perilous theatres of war in the world and then pretend it is too dangerous to honour them because of a virus confined to a couple of hotels in our capital cities.

Andrews has a problem with the military. He wouldn’t use them to enforce quarantine, and now he wants to restrict Australians from paying their respects to the armed services for defending our freedom. He initially cancelled the Anzac service altogether but has now confined himself to limiting the march to just 5,500 people, on the same day as 75,000 AFL fans will cram into the Melbourne Cricket Ground. There are also nonsensical Covid restrictions forcing diggers to march in age groups rather than their serving battalions and requiring them to register online beforehand. It’s the same in WA where there will be a full house at the Optus Stadium for the football but a limit of only 10,000 people at King’s Park for the Anzac Day service.

New federal Defence Minister Peter Dutton however is valiantly fighting back by questioning the numbers. The claim that the rules are different because football fans are seated is absurd. First, there is no Covid anywhere in Australia. Second, the crowds are hardly levitating into the stadiums cross-legged, like fakirs on flying carpets – they have to stand to walk in and out. Third, both activities are outside where the risk of transmission is minimal, even supposing there was any Covid to transmit and fourth, Anzac ceremonies are quiet and reflective and far less likely to spread germs than raucous crowds of cheering fans.

Dutton has also pulled rank on the chief of the Australian Defence Force, Angus Campbell, overriding Campbell’s appalling decision to revoke a meritorious unit citation awarded to 3,000 special forces soldiers who served in Afghanistan. As Dutton pointed out, it was disgraceful to punish the whole unit when most of the soldiers had shown extraordinary valour and some had given the ultimate sacrifice defending Australia’s values and interests and preventing terrorist attacks.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/04/lest-we-forget-3/

Dutton is proving good and effective once again.

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Reply #32 - May 2nd, 2021 at 9:50am
 
Mr Dutton is moving rapidly to repair the fractured relationship between ADF members and the government. Two big Morrison government announcements this week would not have happened without his strong personal leadership: the decision to reverse the Chief of the Defence Force, General Angus Campbell’s, disgraceful decision to strip unit citations from over 3,000 special forces personnel because the Brereton inquiry found evidence of possible war crimes by a handful of them; and the decision to announce a royal commission into veterans’ suicide.

On the first, Mr Dutton rightly pointed out that it is wrong to tar all special forces soldiers with a brush of shame deserved by only a very few.  The stripping of unit citations, even though paused by order of the Prime Minister, was a body blow to the morale of not just special forces soldiers but to the whole ADF community. It harked back to the Vietnam years when, for too long, we as a society deliberately shamed and shunned veterans of that conflict. Thanks to Mr Dutton, the ADF can stand taller again.

The royal commission is outside his direct portfolio, but there is no way it would have happened without Mr Dutton’s strong support.

https://spectator.com.au/2021/04/peter-dutton-finally-makes-his-mark/
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Reply #33 - May 2nd, 2021 at 10:02am
 
This past weekend, Australian Defence Minister Peter Dutton suggested that a conflict with China over Taiwan could not be discounted.  However, as Prussian General Carl von Clausewitz wrote some 200 years ago, “War is the continuation of politics by other means”.   

Were there to be conflict between China and America over Taiwan, Australia would have no choice but to follow America, including by ceasing food, energy and iron ore exports to China.  Were Australia to not follow and to try to maintain strategic neutrality, we would most likely lose the protection of America’s Pacific defence umbrella exposing Australia to even great threats and risks.

America’s and Australia’s defence preparedness and resolve is essential for preventing armed conflict, but it does not necessarily indicate the eventuality of conflict.  Yet paraphrasing Leon Trotsky, Australia may not be interested in a war for Taiwan, but if there was a war for Taiwan, it would be interested in Australia.


https://spectator.com.au/2021/04/if-you-want-peace-prepare-for-war/
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Reply #35 - May 5th, 2021 at 9:49pm
 
Belgarion wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 8:16pm:


Behind a paywall, Belgarion.  I cannot read the point you are making.  Care to quote what they are saying, please?
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Reply #36 - May 6th, 2021 at 8:33am
 
A bent copper as Defence Minister, what could go wrong?
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Reply #37 - May 6th, 2021 at 9:44am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 9:49pm:
Belgarion wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 8:16pm:


Behind a paywall, Belgarion.  I cannot read the point you are making.  Care to quote what they are saying, please?



“He comes to Townsville, we meet with a bunch of soldiers and senior officers. The first thing Peter did was to tell the cameraman to get lost. And then he said to all the senior officers: ‘You can leave as well’,” says Phil Thompson, the member for Herbert in north Queensland and a former soldier.

“He wanted to talk to the soldiers about what they needed from the government to do their job – how’s the kit, how’s the morale? That’s the first time any minister for defence has ever done that.”


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Reply #38 - May 6th, 2021 at 10:45am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 9:49pm:
Belgarion wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 8:16pm:


Behind a paywall, Belgarion.  I cannot read the point you are making.  Care to quote what they are saying, please?


"When Peter Dutton visited his first military base as Defence Minister last month, he had a remarkable message for senior military officers: leave the room.

He was at Lavarack Barracks in the garrison city of Townsville and he was on a mission. The objective was two-fold: begin lifting morale following the Brereton war crimes inquiry and find out what troops on the ground want from the government.

“He comes to Townsville, we meet with a bunch of soldiers and senior officers. The first thing Peter did was to tell the cameraman to get lost. And then he said to all the senior officers: ‘You can leave as well’,” says Phil Thompson, the member for Herbert in north Queensland and a former soldier.

“He wanted to talk to the soldiers about what they needed from the government to do their job – how’s the kit, how’s the morale? That’s the first time any minister for defence has ever done that.”.............

That's the interesting part.  The rest of the article is the usual political stuff.  The fact that the Defence Minister sat down with the troops without the media or senior officers present is unusual, but not unprecedented for politicians. I recall a couple of occasions when we had politicians at sea overnight, They ate with the junior rates with no officers or media present.  ( none was Defence Minister though)

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