"Why Socialists Want to Destroy Western Civilization and Christianity"

This vid explains that socialists destroy a nation's culture and economic system first before they bring in their own socialist "utopia"

Western culture is evil, made by the evil white man. Only when non-whites take over the world can there be world peace. This is progress.

Frank wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:02pm:


Well .....looking beyond race and "primitivism": 

Marx did say "religion is the opium of the people" whereas  Thomas Paine (50 years earlier) said: "The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion", revealing himself to be a true spirit of the enlightenment.

In fact Marx wanted a new economic system, and Paine a new government; both rejected scriptural Christianity, neither wanted to "destroy Western civilization".

Frank wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:


You need to correct the grammatical error  in that sentence.   

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Which is correct: St Pauls Cathedral in London, and Henry Purcell's music (with royal patronage) are all dependent on the nation's material development, moreover - in those examples, on the 'commonwealth's'  material advancement rather than the wealth of individual capitalists. 

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Correct, as addressed above....but NOT western civilisation itself  which IS based on material advancement. 

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You mean a "new consciousness" desiring  to confront the poverty in workhouses in Dickensian London?

That desire is as old as Plato's 'Republic'.

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Nonsense. "Human souls" don't need to be engineered to desire common prosperity, though greedy self-interested individual sovereignty ideologues do indeed need to be re-educated.

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"All mankind are my brothers" is Marxist to the core: "workers of the world (which we all are) unite!"

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 10:05pm:


Frank tried to draw a distinction between Hegel and Marx, following his assertion that Hegel said ideas shape culture and society, whereas Marx said material development shapes society.   

I contend they are the same thing; in Mesopotamia a long time ago someone discovered that certain grasses can be cultivated...and the rest is history, as they say.

The discovery  preceded the idea of cultivation, which preceded the idea of advancement (aka 'civilization'.)

And in cultivating food rather than hunting or gathering it, what to produce is already revealed, in an ever increasing complexity of material advancement.

Meanwhile, there is no "'Marxist' social-engineering of human souls" required in order for people to consider aspects of "fair" allocation of the material production.

Such concerns re "fairness" are innate to human beings.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 9:12pm:


Serendipity.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 10:44am:


I "tried", did I??

dialectical materialism, a philosophical approach to reality derived from the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. For Marx and Engels, materialism meant that the material world, perceptible to the senses, has objective reality independent of mind or spirit. They did not deny the reality of mental or spiritual processes but affirmed that ideas could arise, therefore, only as products and reflections of material conditions. Marx and Engels understood materialism as the opposite of idealism, by which they meant any theory that treats matter as dependent on mind or spirit, or mind or spirit as capable of existing independently of matter. For them, the materialist and idealist views were irreconcilably opposed throughout the historical development of philosophy. They adopted a thoroughgoing materialist approach, holding that any attempt to combine or reconcile materialism with idealism must result in confusion and inconsistency.

Marx’s and Engels’ conception of dialectics owes much to the German idealist philosopher G.W.F. Hegel. In opposition to the “metaphysical” mode of thought, which viewed things in abstraction, each by itself and as though endowed with fixed properties, Hegelian dialectics considers things in their movements and changes, interrelations and interactions. Everything is in continual process of becoming and ceasing to be, in which nothing is permanent but everything changes and is eventually superseded. All things contain contradictory sides or aspects, whose tension or conflict is the driving force of change and eventually transforms or dissolves them. But whereas Hegel saw change and development as the expression of the world spirit, or Idea, realizing itself in nature and in human society, for Marx and Engels change was inherent in the nature of the material world. They therefore held that one could not, as Hegel tried, deduce the actual course of events from any “principles of dialectics”; the principles must be inferred from the events.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/dialectical-materialism

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 2:07am:


That's not debate either. Blind sovereign individual ideologues like you and Frank often escape into trivial commentary like yours above. 

Did you even think about commenting on Liddle's article?