Frank wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 12:03pm:


D J Trump, 2016, campaign speech on conditions in black  US ghettos: "You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison" 

This is the condition socialists strive to overcome.

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Hitler loved Wagner's music, and Mussolini was  an accomplished violinist....so 'socialists' (!) can have artistic proclivities as well.......


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MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 12:38pm:


The evasive reply of the deluded "freedom" ideologue. 

The CCP is creating common prosperity at the fastest rate in history. while the neoliberal/classical- liberal US will remain scarred by entrenched poverty.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 1:05pm:


No.

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You should take up story telling....but don't give up your day job. 

If the CCP is so factionalized, why are >90%  of the population supporting their government?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 1:50pm:


hmmm... still spinning yarns, I see; but as I said, don't give up your day job yet....

Unlike you, deluded by the West's  "freedom" ideology, I can think for myself.... and I'm here to freely expose your delusions....

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 2:03pm:


More to the point, it's time you recognized YOUR responsibility for the current situation in Ukraine, ultimately the consequence of your delusional "freedom" ideology which forced the veto onto the UNSC in 1946.

And so now a paranoid Putin says he is sending in "peace-keepers" to defend the Russian population living in the East of Ukraine, while US ideologues are spouting the usual crap about the freedom of  'sovereign nations' ....as if they gave a damn about that  when the US  illegally invaded Iraq. 

A pox on both their houses! 

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 4:46pm:



Are you a Chinese national posting from China? Or a Chinese in some other country? You are not a Westerner, that's for sure.

You are totally confused and garbled about your "freedom ideology". You slag off the West about valuing freedom and in the next breath you defend Russia's and China's freedom to do what they are doping as sovereign nations. You are a completely self-contradictory stupid parrot with no actual insight or any shame about your obviously muddled, mindlessly regurgitated Chinese propaganda. Sovereign freedom for thee but not for me. But being a Chinese shill you do not see that ort see it but are spineless and intellectually and morally completely bankrupt to keep doubling down on your contradictory crap.  You have sold your sould to the CCP for 30 silver RMBs.

The premise or any detail of your propaganda is completely unexamined because the outer limit of your reflection on your statements is to repeat them, no matter what other insight anyone else has brought to the discussion. You are like a one man Global Times shill on these boards and the sooner the CCP gets a mighty bollocking the better.

You ARE the China of these boards - you have no friends and you alienate everyone who talks to you.

Frank wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 5:11pm:


Irrelevant.

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I'm not the confused "freedom" ideologue here.

As you know, I have consistently argued for rule of law, including an international rules based system.

I have also argued that a nation can choose to order its  internal affairs either according to a consensus, one-party meritocracy, or an adversarial 2-party democracy. 

Further, I have consistently argued for Western "freedom" ideologues to leave China alone.

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Forget "Chinese propaganda"; and leave China alone.  You and your nation have enough of your own problems to deal with, and China isn't one of them.   

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Refuted above, and already explained many times; to repeat: NO nation ought to be free to force its own desires on another, which is the logical  consequence of the obsolete concept of absolute national sovereignty, combined with the ancient 'might is right' determination in international affairs.

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I have also drawn your attention to an approaching time when China can displace US global hegemony.

What good will the alliance with the US military be then?

Surely an international rules-based system to which all nations are subject will be the way forward in that environment.

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The "insights" which others have brought so far are extremely limited.  And so you insist on absolute national sovereignty in the international arena, which is the ultimate contradiction and barrier to an international rules-based system.   

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There you go again, with your "China threat" theory, based on your own "freedom" delusions.   

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The truth will prevail; eg, NATO is a relic of the Cold War, with the EU still looking to US global hegemony  for "protection" against the USSR which no longer exists.

In an international rules based system, no nation needs protection from another because in such as system war is de-legitimized, with international security guaranteed
by  ......a properly constituted UN Security Council.

Not easy for a "freedom" ideologue to comprehend, I know....

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 8:17pm:



And how many divisions will that UNSC have to enforce that new rules based system?
The current UN peacekeeping force is laughable.

And China doesn't play by the current rules based system so why would it under some other system?  Because it would be a system created by Chine, in its own image for its own 'sovereign' hegemonic interests.