Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:


No, you asked an ill-considered question, so I answered it.

But the point is "universal adult franchise" is only one system of governance. A superior system is by meritocratic consensus obviously, because you don't have government influenced by clowns and conspiracy theorists.

Jim Lahey wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 12:57pm:


It hasn't killed people since the Tiananmen debacle.

Otoh, it treats traitors the same way the US treats 'traitors' eg, Assange.

Of course one man's traitor is another man's hero.....depending on ideology.

Frank wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 3:16pm:


And an adversarial 2-party rabble of self-interested clowns and/or ideologues is......

Jim Lahey wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 12:57pm:


Tradition?

Ayn Marx wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 6:59pm:

History tells us that it IS always the case. You cannot sustain inhumanity.  How could you?

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 9:25pm:

Oh really? How's the sex trafficking between China and Vietnam going?

How is it that CCP officials openly brag about trafficking people across the border?

Which brings me to a question: How did you obtain access to a VPN in China?

The Tiananmen Square protests, known as the June Fourth Incident (Chinese: 六四事件; pinyin: liùsì shìjiàn) in China, were student-led demonstrations held in Tiananmen Square, Beijing during 1989. In what is known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre (Chinese: 天安门大屠杀; pinyin: Tiān'ānmén dà túshā), troops armed with assault rifles and accompanied by tanks fired at the demonstrators and those trying to block the military's advance into Tiananmen Square. The protests started on 15 April and were forcibly suppressed on 4 June when the government declared martial law and sent the People's Liberation Army to occupy parts of central Beijing. Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundred to several thousand, with thousands more wounded.[1][2][3][4][5][6] The popular national movement inspired by the Beijing protests is sometimes called the '89 Democracy Movement (Chinese: 八九民运; pinyin: Bājiǔ mínyùn) or the Tiananmen Square Incident (Chinese: 天安门事件; pinyin: Tiān'ānmén shìjiàn).

The protests were precipitated by the death of pro-reform Chinese Communist Party (CCP) general secretary Hu Yaobang in April 1989 amid the backdrop of rapid economic development and social change in post-Mao China, reflecting anxieties among the people and political elite about the country's future. The reforms of the 1980s had led to a nascent market economy that benefited some people but seriously disadvantaged others, and the one-party political system also faced a challenge to its legitimacy. Common grievances at the time included inflation, corruption, limited preparedness of graduates for the new economy,[7] and restrictions on political participation. Although they were highly disorganized and their goals varied, the students called for greater accountability, constitutional due process, democracy, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech.[8][9] At the height of the protests, about one million people assembled in the Square.[10]

As the protests developed, the authorities responded with both conciliatory and hardline tactics, exposing deep divisions within the party leadership.[11] By May, a student-led hunger strike galvanized support around the country for the demonstrators, and the protests spread to some 400 cities.[12] Among the CCP's top leadership, Premier Li Peng and Party Elders Li Xiannian and Wang Zhen called for decisive action through violent suppression of the protesters, and ultimately managed to win over Paramount Leader Deng Xiaoping and President Yang Shangkun to their side.[13][14][15] On 20 May, the State Council declared martial law. They mobilized as many as ~300,000 troops to Beijing.[12] The troops advanced into central parts of Beijing on the city's major thoroughfares in the early morning hours of 4 June, killing both demonstrators and bystanders in the process. The military operations were under the overall command of General Yang Baibing, half-brother of President Yang Shangkun.[16]

The international community, human rights organizations, and political analysts condemned the Chinese government for the massacre. Western countries imposed arms embargoes on China.[17] The Chinese government made widespread arrests of protesters and their supporters, suppressed other protests around China, expelled foreign journalists, strictly controlled coverage of the events in the domestic press, strengthened the police and internal security forces, and demoted or purged officials it deemed sympathetic to the protests.[18] More broadly, the suppression ended the political reforms begun in 1986 and halted the policies of liberalization of the 1980s, which were only partly resumed after Deng Xiaoping's Southern Tour in 1992.[19][20][21] Considered a watershed event, reaction to the protests set limits on political expression in China, limits that have lasted up to the present day.[22] Remembering the protests is widely associated with questioning the legitimacy of CCP rule and remains one of the most sensitive and most widely censored topics in China.[23][24]

Is this repellent to our Chinese friend?