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Reply #285 - Mar 2nd, 2022 at 8:24pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 2nd, 2022 at 6:58pm:
"a particular system of values and principles of conduct".
plural noun: moralities
"a bourgeois morality"

Hence we may have a Constitution based on benevolent authority **, preferably upheld by a consensus  one- party meritocracy, given that greed will always play havoc in adversarial 2-party elected rabbles.

** which implies "reverence for life". 

How would you characterise the morality of raping of virgins as good luck within the CCP?

Jennifer Zeng casts light on the immoral and corrupt practises among CCP members to gain promotion, which includes rape.

I'm assuming you speak Mandarin so you could explain the tradition in English for us.

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Reply #286 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 8:43am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 2nd, 2022 at 8:24pm:
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"a particular system of values and principles of conduct".
plural noun: moralities
"a bourgeois morality"

Hence we may have a Constitution based on benevolent authority **, preferably upheld by a consensus  one- party meritocracy, given that greed will always play havoc in adversarial 2-party elected rabbles.

** which implies "reverence for life". 



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How would you characterise the morality of raping of virgins as good luck within the CCP?


As 'evil' (note: my human construct) as when it appears    in any human society. 

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Jennifer Zeng casts light on the immoral and corrupt practises among CCP members to gain promotion, which includes rape.


You are tarring the entire group with the primitive beliefs of certain individuals within the group.

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I'm assuming you speak Mandarin so you could explain the tradition in English for us.




You shouldn't make that assumption, whereas this (Taiwan-based?)  Fox News-like ideological rendition of reality can certainly be discarded as fake news.

I see she raves about international law which I have shown many times doesn't exist at present: it was destroyed by deluded individual rights ideologues in 1946, when they forced the veto onto the UNSC.

On the other hand, I did some research into your background:

"Meister Eckhart believed that God was present in all living things, though he differentiated between the Absolute God, which was beyond all form and the manifestation of God in the world. Selfless service. Though Eckhart was a mystic, he also advocated selfless service in the world to help overcome the selfish nature of man."

An incredible 13th century German genius, it's a pity you have degenerated into a deluded self-interested  sovereign individual' inherent rights ideologue, at the present time.




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Reply #287 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 9:20am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2022 at 7:37pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 2nd, 2022 at 6:58pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2022 at 5:46pm:
Obviously self-contradictory drivel.
Morality is an invention - but yours isn't.


So I need to clarify.

"Rights" are human inventions, they don't exist in Nature.

Yet morality can be  defined, as in:

"a particular system of values and principles of conduct".
plural noun: moralities
"a bourgeois morality"

Now, morality based on "reverence for life" (Christ's own morality, before he was crucified and turned into a god by his followers) is ONE "particular system of values", but obviously not  the only one, given the democracies' acquiescence in entrenched poverty.


A load of idiotic, confused, dishonest crap.crap.


Your usual unsupportable assertion.

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1. Rights are human invention


Correct.

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2. Morality is not


Incorrect, morality - considered as a system of values -   is ALSO a human construct. 

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as long as it is the morality of the CCP.


Also incorrect, ANY system of values is a human construct.

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Source of values? Not stated.


See the system of values identified by the German mystic Meister Eckhart in my previous post.

Which is a morality dedicated to 'reverence for life', created by a human being,  as is the Confucian concept of benevolent authority, being a basis for good government.

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What the source of value and authority for a morality NOT based on reverence for individual life is not stated.


There's your mistake - and your contradiction - right there; reverence for the self-interested individual ego is an oxymoron.

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You are too stupid for this, Chinese shill. As Billy said - fcck OFF.


You need to differentiate between survival of the species through co-operation based on benevolent authority on the one hand, and survival of the individual based on self-interest on the other hand.

AGW  climate change - if real - might just be the catalyst for changing your delusional ideology.  i
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Reply #288 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 11:32am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 8:43am:
On the other hand, I did some research into your background:

"Meister Eckhart believed that God was present in all living things, though he differentiated between the Absolute God, which was beyond all form and the manifestation of God in the world. Selfless service. Though Eckhart was a mystic, he also advocated selfless service in the world to help overcome the selfish nature of man."

He also ate a lot of fish.

What is the great divide? A chasm? A good metaphor for the CCP's insistence that the only truth is what the CCP says it is and is not; it maintains state control over any Chinese national from bridging that chasm, hence VPNs being illegal in China.

Outside of CCP apparatchiks and prisoners, all use of a VPN in China is illegal but illegal access to one can be procured by bribery or sex.
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Reply #289 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 11:36am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 8:43am:
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Jennifer Zeng casts light on the immoral and corrupt practises among CCP members to gain promotion, which includes rape.


You are tarring the entire group with the primitive beliefs of certain individuals within the group.

I'm not doing the tarring. One of your own is reporting what the CCP is really all about.

And the CCP has gone to great lengths to cover up the chained woman story, so far putting out 5 explanations to-date for it.

The CCP's actions with Peng Shuai and now this are exposing the rampant moral corruption within the CCP; but then nobody ever accused Mao of being moral with his own predilection towards underage village chinese girls.
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Reply #290 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 12:59pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 11:36am:
I'm not doing the tarring. One of your own is reporting what the CCP is really all about.


No, I already pointed our she is a deluded individual rights ideologue, probably Taiwanese-Chinese, not
"one of your own".

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And the CCP has gone to great lengths to cover up the chained woman story, so far putting out 5 explanations to-date for it.


Yes, it's still being discussed in GT and elsewhere in China,unlike the Witness K prosecution-cover-up.

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The CCP's actions with Peng Shuai and now this are exposing the rampant moral corruption within the CCP; but then nobody ever accused Mao of being moral with his own predilection towards underage village chinese girls.


See how far you have degenerated from your 13th century  incarnation, who was well aware of the disastrous effects of the self-interested ego in human affairs. 

The CCP is not immune of course, but at least the CCP  is committed to engendering common prosperity, while the democracies exhibit  the disastrous economic consequences of ego-driven self-interest unmitigated by a goal of collective well-being.   
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Reply #291 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:05pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 12:59pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 11:36am:
I'm not doing the tarring. One of your own is reporting what the CCP is really all about.


No, I already pointed our she is a deluded individual rights ideologue, probably Taiwanese-Chinese, not
"one of your own".

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And the CCP has gone to great lengths to cover up the chained woman story, so far putting out 5 explanations to-date for it.


Yes, it's still being discussed in GT and elsewhere in China,unlike the Witness K prosecution-cover-up.

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The CCP's actions with Peng Shuai and now this are exposing the rampant moral corruption within the CCP; but then nobody ever accused Mao of being moral with his own predilection towards underage village chinese girls.


See how far you have degenerated from your 13th century  incarnation, who was well aware of the disastrous effects of the self-interested ego in human affairs. 

The CCP is not immune of course, but at least the CCP  is committed to engendering common prosperity, while the democracies exhibit  the disastrous economic consequences of ego-driven self-interest unmitigated by a goal of collective well-being.   

Jennifer Zeng was born in Sichuan.

The abduction and years of rape of the chained woman is being discussed in China at the risk of arrest for 'spreading rumours'.

The CCP's common prosperity, if it exists at all, is prosperity for CCP officials to be protected by the party to amass wealth and commit multiple acts of rape as a tool for promotion.

Desmond Shum described well how the mechanics of the CCP elite operated.
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Reply #292 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:21pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 11:32am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 8:43am:
On the other hand, I did some research into your background:

"Meister Eckhart believed that God was present in all living things, though he differentiated between the Absolute God, which was beyond all form and the manifestation of God in the world. Selfless service. Though Eckhart was a mystic, he also advocated selfless service in the world to help overcome the selfish nature of man."

He also ate a lot of fish.


Nutrition science is progressing apace, since the 13th century. But I'm glad you can critique his eating habits.

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What is the great divide? A chasm?


How do you want to described the sort of hyper-partisanship that led to the Capitol riots and shows no sign of abating, in the democracies?

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A good metaphor for the CCP's insistence that the only truth is what the CCP says it is and is not;


Wrong; "truth" based on consensus of the nation's finest minds is likely to be more accurate than "truth" based on a majority vote which includes the nation's least capable minds. 

...hence  you would rather have eg, the Capitol riots based on a blind-leading-the-blind rabble of conspiracy theorists and know-nothings, rather than "truth" arrived at by consensus, drawing on the nation's finest brains.   

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it maintains state control over any Chinese national from bridging that chasm, hence VPNs being illegal in China.


As explained the chasm between the least knowing and the most knowing...

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Outside of CCP apparatchiks and prisoners, all use of a VPN in China is illegal but illegal access to one can be procured by bribery or sex.


China is dealing with corruption. Moreover, China is not imposing its system of government on anyone else.

The question is whether the internal contradictions of your own system of government, based on delusional individual 'rights" ideology, can survive, when the Chinese economy becomes the most powerful in the world. 

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Reply #293 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:27pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:21pm:
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A good metaphor for the CCP's insistence that the only truth is what the CCP says it is and is not;


Wrong; "truth" based on consensus of the nation's finest minds is likely to be more accurate than "truth" based on a majority vote which includes the nation's least capable minds. 

The families of the likes of Dr Li Wenliang would be wondering where these fine minds are in China.

He was arrested for 'spreading rumours'.

Rape, torture, disappearance, jailing and murder are the penalties under the CCP for spreading rumours, being a nuisance or causing arguments.
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Reply #294 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:36pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:05pm:
Jennifer Zeng was born in Sichuan.


..and where is she living now? Surely not in the mainland....surrounded by all those CCP operatives...

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The abduction and years of rape of the chained woman is being discussed in China at the risk of arrest for 'spreading rumours'.


Of course reaching back into a past of degeneration and absolute poverty will dredge up all sorts of flotsam.

The CCP has to raise the nation's morale by eradicating such anachronistic behaviours. To what extent are the rumours true and how are they related to the present?

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The CCP's common prosperity, if it exists at all,


Oh it does alright, you should hear the greedy Western- influenced 'prosperity for the rich' ideologues  screaming about it, both within and outside China. 

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is prosperity for CCP officials to be protected by the party to amass wealth and commit multiple acts of rape as a tool for promotion.


You are becoming an increasingly unhinged and paranoid "freedom" ideologue, as Chinese wealth including for the least well-off advances as planned.

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Desmond Shum described well how the mechanics of the CCP elite operated.


The delusional "freedom"/individual rights ideology is alive in China, just not in power (as we discussed in another thread: "rights" are those which can be maintained by government). 
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Reply #295 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:45pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:36pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:05pm:
Jennifer Zeng was born in Sichuan.


..and where is she living now? Surely not in the mainland....surrounded by all those CCP operatives...

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The abduction and years of rape of the chained woman is being discussed in China at the risk of arrest for 'spreading rumours'.


Of course reaching back into a past of degeneration and absolute poverty will dredge up all sorts of flotsam.

The CCP has to raise the nation's morale by eradicating such anachronistic behaviours. To what extent are the rumours true and how are they related to the present?

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The CCP's common prosperity, if it exists at all,


Oh it does alright, you should hear the greedy Western- influenced 'prosperity for the rich' ideologues  screaming about it, both within and outside China. 

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is prosperity for CCP officials to be protected by the party to amass wealth and commit multiple acts of rape as a tool for promotion.


You are becoming an increasingly unhinged and paranoid "freedom" ideologue, as Chinese wealth including for the least well-off advances as planned.

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Desmond Shum described well how the mechanics of the CCP elite operated.


The delusional "freedom"/individual rights ideology is alive in China, just not in power (as we discussed in another thread: "rights" are those which can be maintained by government). 

Jennifer Zeng is now living in the US. She would have been murdered by the CCP had she been broadcasting from China.

Abductions and rape of girls in China is common as is sex trafficking - all protected by the CCP. These girls are often sent overseas where their abductors and abusers are protected by CCP consulates and embassies.

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Reply #296 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 2:05pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:45pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:36pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 1:05pm:
Jennifer Zeng was born in Sichuan.


..and where is she living now? Surely not in the mainland....surrounded by all those CCP operatives...

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The abduction and years of rape of the chained woman is being discussed in China at the risk of arrest for 'spreading rumours'.


Of course reaching back into a past of degeneration and absolute poverty will dredge up all sorts of flotsam.

The CCP has to raise the nation's morale by eradicating such anachronistic behaviours. To what extent are the rumours true and how are they related to the present?

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The CCP's common prosperity, if it exists at all,


Oh it does alright, you should hear the greedy Western- influenced 'prosperity for the rich' ideologues  screaming about it, both within and outside China. 

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is prosperity for CCP officials to be protected by the party to amass wealth and commit multiple acts of rape as a tool for promotion.


You are becoming an increasingly unhinged and paranoid "freedom" ideologue, as Chinese wealth including for the least well-off advances as planned.

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Desmond Shum described well how the mechanics of the CCP elite operated.


The delusional "freedom"/individual rights ideology is alive in China, just not in power (as we discussed in another thread: "rights" are those which can be maintained by government). 

Jennifer Zeng is now living in the US. She would have been murdered by the CCP had she been broadcasting from China.


Ah, explains everything. And what would have happened to Edward Snowden if he returned to the US?

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Abductions and rape of girls in China is common as is sex trafficking - all protected by the CCP. These girls are often sent overseas where their abductors and abusers are protected by CCP consulates and embassies.


Terrible. Something should be done about it.

Meanwhile a society-wide  occurrence of domestic violence against women is raging in Oz, unabated despite government intervention. 
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Reply #297 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 2:16pm
 
The cure may lie in social-credit points

Mandated injection to control testosterone

Those who've earned sufficient points may receive an antidote allowing use of a penis for 12 hours
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Reply #298 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 2:26pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 2:16pm:
The cure may lie in social-credit points

Mandated injection to control testosterone

Those who've earned sufficient points may receive an antidote allowing use of a penis for 12 hours


Actually ...highlighting the nature of the problem. The Muslims try to deal with it by dressing their women in tents, doesn't work either.

It's gonna take time to make it work for women all the time.... 


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Reply #299 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 2:51pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 2:05pm:
Jennifer Zeng is now living in the US. She would have been murdered by the CCP had she been broadcasting from China.


Ah, explains everything. And what would have happened to Edward Snowden if he returned to the US?

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Abductions and rape of girls in China is common as is sex trafficking - all protected by the CCP. These girls are often sent overseas where their abductors and abusers are protected by CCP consulates and embassies.


thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 2:05pm:
Terrible. Something should be done about it.

Meanwhile a society-wide  occurrence of domestic violence against women is raging in Oz, unabated despite government intervention. 

For every Edward Snowden there are tens of thousands of Chinese ex-nationals. And Jennifer Zeng did not leak state secrets.

Yes, something should be done about the entrenched pedophillia within the CCP.
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