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Reply #300 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 5:50pm
 
"Sovereign individuality"  explained to Chinese shills.





Common law and custom are features of most enduring legal orders. In English law the concepts have taken on special and interrelated significance, since English law is said to be grounded in common law and that in turn is said to derive from custom. According to classical common law theory, which crystallized in the seventeenth century, common law grew from the customs of the English people. It was not made by legal officials, as statutes are. Change was accommodated in this theory, on the basis not of identity of elements of law over time but of continuity, a continuity of authority and reception of legal customs, and of the traditional legal order which declared them to be law. The role of legal officials – particularly judges – was to interpret and declare legal custom; their judgments provided evidence of it. They did not make it or invent it. This mode of development through continual interpretation and reinterpretation of the significance and bearing of the legal inheritance was, according to common lawyers, better adapted to social complexity, change and variety, and also to human epistemological and practical limitations, than attempts to cover any field with legislation.

This theory was largely eclipsed in nineteenth-century England by the theory of legal positivism, and with it were eclipsed for a time some useful insights into social complexity and institutional limitations. Also lost was a sense of the complex dialectic between continuity and change in legal and institutionalized traditions. In its best moments, common law theory had such a sense.
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Reply #301 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 6:14pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 2:51pm:
For every Edward Snowden there are tens of thousands of Chinese ex-nationals. And Jennifer Zeng did not leak state secrets.


State secrets are not as numerous as deluded "freedom" ideologues, because most of the world is still suffering from that particular delusion, which is why we are watching children being slaughtered in war.... again.


Even the chief prosecutor of the ICC is looking at the possibility of war crimes, because he too holds to the insane concept of 'legal war' ie he thinks mass  murder can be considered legal if it is carried out in a certain - totally impossible - fashion ie just murder the soldiers, not the non-combatants and children of the enemy in the cities and lands that are subject to war.     Insane.

FFS the slaughter of children  which accompanies ANY war IS a "war crime" because war itself is the ultimate failure of the human project.  And why is the UNSC unable to prevent war? 

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Yes, something should be done about the entrenched pedophillia within the CCP


Probably no more entrenched than the society-wide violence toward women in Oz culture.
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Reply #302 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 6:25pm
 


Terrific.

John Anderson is a gem of a host.

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Reply #303 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 6:33pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 5:50pm:
"Sovereign individuality"  explained to Chinese shills.


And hopefully also to  people who hate war and poverty, let's read on:

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Common law and custom are features of most enduring legal orders. In English law the concepts have taken on special and interrelated significance, since English law is said to be grounded in common law and that in turn is said to derive from custom. According to classical common law theory, which crystallized in the seventeenth century, common law grew from the customs of the English people. It was not made by legal officials, as statutes are. Change was accommodated in this theory, on the basis not of identity of elements of law over time but of continuity, a continuity of authority and reception of legal customs, and of the traditional legal order which declared them to be law. The role of legal officials – particularly judges – was to interpret and declare legal custom; their judgments provided evidence of it. They did not make it or invent it. This mode of development through continual interpretation and reinterpretation of the significance and bearing of the legal inheritance was, according to common lawyers, better adapted to social complexity, change and variety, and also to human epistemological and practical limitations, than attempts to cover any field with legislation.


Thanks for the exposition on "common law".

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This theory was largely eclipsed in nineteenth-century England by the theory of legal positivism, and with it were eclipsed for a time some useful insights into social complexity and institutional limitations.


And, pray, why did this happen? Did it have anything to do with coal-mine owners tolerating children working in coal-mines instead of receiving an education, because their fathers were paid below-living wages? 

So in fact the "common lawers"  ended up sentencing children to transportation if the children  stole a loaf of bread. Sick fools they were, toads of the property owners.   

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Also lost was a sense of the complex dialectic between continuity and change in legal and institutionalized traditions.


Of course, 'common law' was not sufficient to deal with the complex relationships engendered by the industrial revolution.

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In its best moments, common law theory had such a sense.
https://www.rep.routledge.com/articles/thematic/common-law/v-1/sections/judges-a...


Maybe, but at its worst common law failed miserably to take account of complex economic relations.

Dickens and Hugo exposed the consequences in excruciating detail.
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Reply #304 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 6:39pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 6:14pm:
Probably no more entrenched than the society-wide violence toward women in Oz culture.

In China, the legal system is constructed to protect any CCP official who enjoys the protection of the CCP including the rape of children.

With no free media to expose criminal CCP officials, the Chinese victim has no choice but to accept their fate.

Of course, as CCP corruption is a state secret, exposing it in China is a serious crime.
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Reply #305 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 9:22pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 6:39pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 6:14pm:
Probably no more entrenched than the society-wide violence toward women in Oz culture.

In China, the legal system is constructed to protect any CCP official who enjoys the protection of the CCP including the rape of children.


Is that so? How awful. Seems China is dealing with the  same sex-related violence as Oz.

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With no free media to expose criminal CCP officials, the Chinese victim has no choice but to accept their fate.


While an Oz woman's murder (about one a week)  is reported in the press, without bringing about change....

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Of course, as CCP corruption is a state secret, exposing it in China is a serious crime.


Corruption of officials is being actively dealt with in China.

Oz? 
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Reply #306 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 9:28pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 9:22pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 6:39pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 6:14pm:
Probably no more entrenched than the society-wide violence toward women in Oz culture.

In China, the legal system is constructed to protect any CCP official who enjoys the protection of the CCP including the rape of children.


Is that so? How awful. Seems China is dealing with the  same sex-related violence as Oz.

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With no free media to expose criminal CCP officials, the Chinese victim has no choice but to accept their fate.


While an Oz woman's murder (about one a week)  is reported in the press, without bringing about change....

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Of course, as CCP corruption is a state secret, exposing it in China is a serious crime.


Corruption of officials is being actively dealt with in China.

Oz? 

In China they erase poverty by murdering the poor. 50 million of the poor were 'lifted out of poverty' and life when the Chinese commies were most rampant under Mao, the sexual predator with rotting teeth.

Xi is the Mao of our time with a Western trained dentist.

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Reply #307 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 9:47pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 9:22pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 6:39pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 6:14pm:
Probably no more entrenched than the society-wide violence toward women in Oz culture.

In China, the legal system is constructed to protect any CCP official who enjoys the protection of the CCP including the rape of children.


Is that so? How awful. Seems China is dealing with the  same sex-related violence as Oz.

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With no free media to expose criminal CCP officials, the Chinese victim has no choice but to accept their fate.


While an Oz woman's murder (about one a week)  is reported in the press, without bringing about change....

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Of course, as CCP corruption is a state secret, exposing it in China is a serious crime.


Corruption of officials is being actively dealt with in China.

Oz? 

Except under the CCP, being a corrupted government, the CCP official is protected. No court can or would rule against the CCP.

The only officials being dealt with in China are those who are opposed to or criticise the Xi faction.

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Reply #308 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 10:20pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 9:47pm:
Except under the CCP, being a corrupted government, the CCP official is protected. No court can or would rule against the CCP.


The CCP, being one party following the lofty ideals of collective well-being, is infinitely open to elimination of corruption.

Unlike two party rabbles among whom those least able to consider collective well-being are permitted to vote.

Result: entrenched poverty.   

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The only officials being dealt with in China are those who are opposed to or criticise the Xi faction.


Xi is one who initiated the anti-corruption drive, after all.

Meanwhile: 

"And why do you look at the splinter in your brother's eye, but not notice the beam in your own eye"?

Matthew 7, 3.

How's the ICAC progressing?
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Reply #309 - Mar 4th, 2022 at 8:02am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 10:20pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 3rd, 2022 at 9:47pm:
Except under the CCP, being a corrupted government, the CCP official is protected. No court can or would rule against the CCP.


The CCP, being one party following the lofty ideals of collective well-being, is infinitely open to elimination of corruption.

Unlike two party rabbles among whom those least able to consider collective well-being are permitted to vote.

Result: entrenched poverty.   

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The only officials being dealt with in China are those who are opposed to or criticise the Xi faction.


Xi is one who initiated the anti-corruption drive, after all.

Meanwhile: 

"And why do you look at the splinter in your brother's eye, but not notice the beam in your own eye"?

Matthew 7, 3.

How's the ICAC progressing?

The CCP was founded on corruption. Each successive administration from Mao to Xi has extended and turned its inherent corruption to its favour, Xi is not eliminating corruption, he's eliminating his political rivals by branding them corrupt while sustaining and promoting those corrupt officials who accept his rule.

The corrupt Chinese imperial system never died, its rulers just swapped silk robes for grey suits.
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Reply #310 - Mar 4th, 2022 at 12:55pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 8:02am:
The CCP was founded on corruption.


Nonsense. Communism was a reaction to the entrenched poverty and ongoing wars of Western imperialism.

China is doing fine.

I suggest you look to your own corrupt and decaying system. 

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Reply #311 - Mar 4th, 2022 at 2:30pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 12:55pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 8:02am:
The CCP was founded on corruption.


Nonsense. Communism was a reaction to the entrenched poverty and ongoing wars of Western imperialism.

China is doing fine.

I suggest you look to your own corrupt and decaying system. 


The history of China has always been littered with corrupt emperors and unfortunately the Chinese people have been conditioned to expect them no matter what clothes their emperors wear or what coloured flags they fly.

It's no wonder Taiwan wants nothing to do with them.

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Reply #312 - Mar 4th, 2022 at 3:14pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 2:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 12:55pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 8:02am:
The CCP was founded on corruption.


Nonsense. Communism was a reaction to the entrenched poverty and ongoing wars of Western imperialism.

China is doing fine.

I suggest you look to your own corrupt and decaying system. 

The history of China has always been littered with corrupt emperors and unfortunately the Chinese people have been conditioned to expect them no matter what clothes their emperors wear or what coloured flags they fly.


History is catching up with you. The Capitol riots indicate the state of the democracies now, in the present time; China has been stable and growing for 4 decades.

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It's no wonder Taiwan wants nothing to do with them.


Its a pity they had the opportunity to flee to the island, to enable the clash of ideologies to continue.

Let's have another look at the situation in a decade when China's economy is bigger than the US.

At that point, the US's sneaky  "One China" policy will indeed become reality, without being sneaky.....

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Reply #313 - Mar 4th, 2022 at 3:34pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 3:14pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 2:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 12:55pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 8:02am:
The CCP was founded on corruption.


Nonsense. Communism was a reaction to the entrenched poverty and ongoing wars of Western imperialism.

China is doing fine.

I suggest you look to your own corrupt and decaying system. 

The history of China has always been littered with corrupt emperors and unfortunately the Chinese people have been conditioned to expect them no matter what clothes their emperors wear or what coloured flags they fly.


History is catching up with you. The Capitol riots indicate the state of the democracies now, in the present time; China has been stable and growing for 4 decades.

Its a pity they had the opportunity to flee to the island, to enable the clash of ideologies to continue.

Let's have another look at the situation in a decade when China's economy is bigger than the US.

At that point, the US's sneaky  "One China" policy will indeed become reality, without being sneaky.....


History doesn't work that way. A white trash, trashing event for five minutes doesn't change history.

Running people over with tanks does.

Rape, torture, murder and corruption is par for the course for the Chinese regarding their leaders.
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Reply #314 - Mar 5th, 2022 at 1:15pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 3:34pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 3:14pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 2:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 12:55pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 8:02am:
The CCP was founded on corruption.


Nonsense. Communism was a reaction to the entrenched poverty and ongoing wars of Western imperialism.

China is doing fine.

I suggest you look to your own corrupt and decaying system. 

The history of China has always been littered with corrupt emperors and unfortunately the Chinese people have been conditioned to expect them no matter what clothes their emperors wear or what coloured flags they fly.


History is catching up with you. The Capitol riots indicate the state of the democracies now, in the present time; China has been stable and growing for 4 decades.

Its a pity they had the opportunity to flee to the island, to enable the clash of ideologies to continue.

Let's have another look at the situation in a decade when China's economy is bigger than the US.

At that point, the US's sneaky  "One China" policy will indeed become reality, without being sneaky.....


History doesn't work that way. A white trash, trashing event for five minutes doesn't change history.


History doesn't change in an instant, but one event can certainly be indicative of a trend....

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Running people over with tanks does.


Like I said -  4 decades ago: the CCP is continuously changing and adapting, whereas the democracies (really plutocracies) are ossifying. 

And whereas when the US National Guard murdered 6 students during the Vietnam War protests, they were enforcing the government's foreign policy, but in Jan 6th 2021 they were required to defend the Capitol against internal domestic hyper-partisanship ...while the CCP enjoys >90% support at home.

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Rape, torture, murder and corruption is par for the course for the Chinese regarding their leaders.


"Among the eight questions that NPC spokesperson Zhang took at the press conference, two were about the whole-process people's democracy in China" (as opposed to the grid-locked 'veto-cracy' in the US).

"Zhang said it is a key concept that the leadership of the Communist Party of China with Xi Jinping at its core has developed and is underpinned by a well-established set of institutional procedures, as well as full participation and practice".

"Zhu Lijia, a professor of public management at the Chinese Academy of Governance, told the Global Times on Friday that "the most important characteristic of socialist democracy is the democracy of participation and of consultation. People take part in formulating, consulting and supervising this process, which has much significance."



"There are no identical democratic systems in the world, nor is there a one-size-fits-all mode of democracy. When it comes to democracy, there is always room for improvement," Zhang said. "On the basis of mutual respect, we are willing to engage exchanges and mutual learning with other countries to continuously enrich and better the fruits of human political civilization," he said.

And are you willing to learn? (silly question, I know...).




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