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Reply #390 - Nov 1^st, 2023 at 7:54pm

American Politics calls itself 'Western',
but it's nothing of the sort.
Besides formulating itself on the Roman Republic and Greek Democracy - it is more 'Southern European' than Western European like Britain is.
Britain is still the true 'Western' Political system.
USA is more like the Confederate come Media/Music and the Democrats are revealing their just the Medical Party.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10649 Gender:	Re: Western Culture Reply #391 - Nov 1^st, 2023 at 8:55pm Frank wrote on Nov 1^st, 2023 at 5:39pm: Why the Spirit of the West ( as it once was) is unique. https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1719356292639154177 By coincidence, I viewed that video earlier today on YouTube ... quite impressed by his talk
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Reply #392 - Nov 10^th, 2023 at 4:26pm

In this conversation, John sits down with journalist and author Douglas Murray to discuss the war on Western culture in light of the recent conflict between Israel and Hamas.

Murray argues that Western Civilisation is being eroded by the collapse of history, faith and moral clarity. This cultural decay, Murray suggests, has been caused by a variety of factors including illegal immigration, secularisation, identity politics and the rise of radical Islam. Nonetheless, Murray is encouraged by the growing support for initiatives like the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC) and a common sense middle class who reject elitist identity politics.

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Reply #393 - Nov 24^th, 2023 at 3:38pm

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 4:26pm:

.... to discuss the war on Western culture.....

Our culture is doing a good job of making war on itself, due to its inherent 'individual freedoms/rights' delusions.

As noted by John Hewson:

The relentless election cycle

Several developments recently have made it obvious that politics has become a most unedifying race to the bottom. Facts and evidence are usually ignored in favour of emotive, baseless assertions, and truth and morality are clear casualties. The political debate displays a certain meanness and is deliberately divisive. It’s a short-term political pointscoring game, rather than a crucial element of constructive government in the face of what are now myriad serious challenges. It is all about trying to create a pathway to win the next election.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/comment/topic/2023/11/18/the-relentless-elec...

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Murray argues that Western Civilisation is being eroded by the collapse of history, faith and moral clarity. This cultural decay, Murray suggests, has been caused by a variety of factors including illegal immigration, secularisation, identity politics and the rise of radical Islam. Nonetheless, Murray is encouraged by the growing support for initiatives like the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC) and a common sense middle class who reject elitist identity politics.

Typical RW analysis, ignoring the fact working people increasingly can't look forward to buying their own house.

So much for the "common sense middle class" - content to ignore the growing inequality which will eventually tear the community apart.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Western Culture Reply #394 - Nov 25^th, 2023 at 8:43pm The West is done. Let it burn.
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Western Culture Reply #395 - Nov 25^th, 2023 at 8:49pm When the most basic necessity of continuing a culture no longer exists - that of breeding in sufficient numbers to maintain itself - then it no longer deserves to exist. All other points and arguments are fluff, irrelevant and diversions.
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Reply #396 - Nov 25^th, 2023 at 10:52pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 25^th, 2023 at 8:49pm:

When the most basic necessity of continuing a culture no longer exists - that of breeding in sufficient numbers to maintain itself - then it no longer deserves to exist.

All other points and arguments are fluff, irrelevant and diversions.

Western culture is not a mono ethnic culture ... anyone can participate in Western culture if they so wish.

It's common throughout Europe, the UK, the United States, Australia, NZ, and a few others

It has served us well and hopefully will continue in spite of all the adversity thrown our way

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Reply #397 - Nov 26^th, 2023 at 10:45am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2023 at 10:52pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 25^th, 2023 at 8:49pm:

When the most basic necessity of continuing a culture no longer exists - that of breeding in sufficient numbers to maintain itself - then it no longer deserves to exist.

All other points and arguments are fluff, irrelevant and diversions.

Western culture is not a mono ethnic culture ... anyone can participate in Western culture if they so wish.

It's common throughout Europe, the UK, the United States, Australia, NZ, and a few others

It has served us well and hopefully will continue in spite of all the adversity thrown our way

Ignoring the self-inflicted adversity, caused by growing inequality.

Oh .. and....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/trump-s-final-battle-rant-contains-a-terrif...

Trump's 'final battle' rant contains a 'terrifying' message for evangelicals: analyst

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Reply #398 - Nov 27^th, 2023 at 9:03pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2023 at 10:52pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 25^th, 2023 at 8:49pm:

When the most basic necessity of continuing a culture no longer exists - that of breeding in sufficient numbers to maintain itself - then it no longer deserves to exist.

All other points and arguments are fluff, irrelevant and diversions.

Western culture is not a mono ethnic culture ... anyone can participate in Western culture if they so wish.

It's common throughout Europe, the UK, the United States, Australia, NZ, and a few others

It has served us well and hopefully will continue in spite of all the adversity thrown our way

Perhaps it may continue to exist in some form, but when it's made up of non-westerners, what would it look like?

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Reply #399 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 8:48am

Western culture is the universal culture.
The problem is not with people who adopt it, assimilate into it and thus continue its universality even as it's particularities remain: German, American, Australian, Greek, Danish, French etc.

The problem is with the large number people who reject Western culture while living in Western countries without assimilating and who are maintaining their cultures which are antithetical to that of the Western countries that took them in: practicing Muslims, some Indians and Chinese, Africans, etc. If they were small number of quaint strangers it wouldn't much matter.

But they are now on a trajectory to overtake the Western host populations in many countries and fracture and undermine their cultural coherence and social solidarity.

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Reply #400 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 9:19am

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 8:48am:

...But they are now on a trajectory to overtake the Western host populations in many countries and fracture and undermine their cultural coherence and social solidarity.

Yes. According to the ABS, there are now as many
Muslims in Australia as Aboriginals. Yikes!

I thought THIS was an interesting paper: "Islam:
A Deen Not Mere Religion" by professor Zamir Akhtar Khan
from the Qurtuba University of Science and Information
Technology in Pakistan.

The essence of true and authentic Islamic thought
consists of the idea that it is not enough to practice
Islam in the personal life only, but that the teachings
of the Quran need also be implemented in their totality
in the social, economic, and political fields.

In other words, it implies the establishment of the
sovereignty of Almighty Allah in the “religious” as
well as the “secular” domains, or the removal of the
dichotomy between collective life and state authority
on the one hand and Divine guidance on the other.

So... How long before Muslims in Australia start
pushing for a voice—their voice—in Parliament?

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Reply #401 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 11:55am

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2023 at 8:48am:

Western culture is the universal culture.
The problem is not with people who adopt it, assimilate into it and thus continue its universality even as it's particularities remain: German, American, Australian, Greek, Danish, French etc.

The problem is with the large number people who reject Western culture while living in Western countries without assimilating and who are maintaining their cultures which are antithetical to that of the Western countries that took them in: practicing Muslims, some Indians and Chinese, Africans, etc. If they were small number of quaint strangers it wouldn't much matter.

But they are now on a trajectory to overtake the Western host populations in many countries and fracture and undermine their cultural coherence and social solidarity.

How are "some Chinese" separately practising their culture, in Oz?

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Reply #402 - Nov 28^th, 2023 at 12:58pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/world/australia/hong-kong-china-queensland-pr...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/06/australia-china-protests-ccp-xi-jinping-dem...

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/trafficked-women-shunted-like-cattle-...

https://www.afr.com/companies/financial-services/shiny-shopfronts-led-police-to-...

https://www.voanews.com/a/china-accused-of-economic-espionage-on-an-unprecedente...

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44008 Gender:	Re: Western Culture Reply #403 - Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 2:16pm These people will tell you white people have no kultcha. https://twitter.com/wayotworld/status/1730876875197632756
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Reply #404 - Dec 11^th, 2023 at 8:22pm

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 2:16pm:

These people will tell you white people have no kultcha.

https://twitter.com/wayotworld/status/1730876875197632756

Current 'white culture' is flawed.

Aristotle: "men have the potential to be the noblest of animals, but without law and justice, they are the worst".

Law via 50%+1 of the most self-interested is inadequate, for a "noble" or just society.

Well-being and security for all is the necessary fundamental requirement for good law.

eg the barbarity of the US on full display yesterday, ALONE vetoing a cessation of the slaughter in Gaza.

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