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Reply #420 - Oct 10th, 2024 at 2:07pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2024 at 3:41pm:
We need to talk about the crisis in Western civilisation


And why "London isn't safe anymore" ....

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Brendan O’Neill

There were two eruptions of barbarism last October. The first was Hamas’s pogrom of October 7, in which more than 1000 people were slaughtered and many others maimed, raped and kidnapped. The second was the sympathy for the pogrom across much of the West. The celebration, even, of this army of anti-Semites that had paraglided, barged and driven into southern Israel to decimate the civilian population there.
 

O'Neill - a typical  Conservative, unable or unwilling to  understand the causes of conflict.

Yes there was thuggery and murder on Oct. 7th, but the Israeli state has been denying justice for Palestinians for  generations.

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This is what we need to talk about. Urgently[/highlight]. The first eruption of barbarism in October 2023 – Hamas’s carnival of killing – confirmed what many of us already knew: that Hamas is a Jew-hating war machine that masquerades as a national liberation movement.


Hamas hate the Israeli state, yes, while Israelis have continued to resist adoption of UN res 181, preferring to maintain an illegal occupation of Palestinian land.

Rape and murder of course are a concomitant of the [b]barbarism of war
which O'Neill supports (following the absurd "legal war" doctrine forced into the UN Charter).

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The second eruption of barbarism – the pogrom apologism in our own cities – points to something we are less willing to talk about: the moral rot of a Western world that has turned its back on the virtues of reason, enlightenment and just plain decency.


"Just plain decency"? 

Back to the good billionaires' observation about London : "It's not safe anymore"; with unemployed thugs stabbing people, while Russian ologarchs and billionaires are living high in their gated mansions.

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October 7 exposed our own crisis of civilisation. Ignoring it would be nothing short of suicidal.
 

Correct, but O'Neill is a blind Conservative who thinks the soaring inequality in our cities is fine and dandy, nothing to see here. 

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This is an edited excerpt from Brendan O’Neill’s new book, After the Pogrom: 7 October, Israel and the Crisis of Civilisation, published by Spiked Books and available now.


Ramblings from a blind Conservative - no thanks.
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Reply #421 - Oct 10th, 2024 at 6:51pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 10th, 2024 at 2:07pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2024 at 3:41pm:
We need to talk about the crisis in Western civilisation


And why "London isn't safe anymore" ....

Quote:
Brendan O’Neill

There were two eruptions of barbarism last October. The first was Hamas’s pogrom of October 7, in which more than 1000 people were slaughtered and many others maimed, raped and kidnapped. The second was the sympathy for the pogrom across much of the West. The celebration, even, of this army of anti-Semites that had paraglided, barged and driven into southern Israel to decimate the civilian population there.
 

O'Neill - a typical  Conservative, unable or unwilling to  understand the causes of conflict.

Yes there was thuggery and murder on Oct. 7th, but the Israeli state has been denying justice for Palestinians for  generations.

Quote:
This is what we need to talk about. Urgently[/highlight]. The first eruption of barbarism in October 2023 – Hamas’s carnival of killing – confirmed what many of us already knew: that Hamas is a Jew-hating war machine that masquerades as a national liberation movement.


Hamas hate the Israeli state, yes, while Israelis have continued to resist adoption of UN res 181, preferring to maintain an illegal occupation of Palestinian land.

Rape and murder of course are a concomitant of the [b]barbarism of war
which O'Neill supports (following the absurd "legal war" doctrine forced into the UN Charter).

Quote:
The second eruption of barbarism – the pogrom apologism in our own cities – points to something we are less willing to talk about: the moral rot of a Western world that has turned its back on the virtues of reason, enlightenment and just plain decency.


"Just plain decency"? 

Back to the good billionaires' observation about London : "It's not safe anymore"; with unemployed thugs stabbing people, while Russian ologarchs and billionaires are living high in their gated mansions.

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October 7 exposed our own crisis of civilisation. Ignoring it would be nothing short of suicidal.
 

Correct, but O'Neill is a blind Conservative who thinks the soaring inequality in our cities is fine and dandy, nothing to see here. 

Quote:
This is an edited excerpt from Brendan O’Neill’s new book, After the Pogrom: 7 October, Israel and the Crisis of Civilisation, published by Spiked Books and available now.


Ramblings from a blind Conservative - no thanks.


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

And you are typical ignorant, blinkered know-nuffin' wind-up screeching parrot:

Once a Trotskyist, O'Neill was formerly a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party and wrote for the party's journal Living Marxism. In 2019, O'Neill said he was a Marxist libertarian.

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Reply #422 - Oct 11th, 2024 at 4:50am
 
October 7th, England - One Year On

Winston Marshall
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Few people have a talent for words sufficient to articulate the horror, tragedy and significance of the October 7th, 2023. Certainly not me. What I offer here are some observations on how that awful day marked England.

It is not just the Middle East and Israel that is forever changed, but the West. The date marks a turning point for Britain and for my home city London. Here, on the far-side of the European continent, the deep divisions that have been creaking and groaning for nearly three decades cleaved fully open.

It wasn’t gradually apparent either. It was immediate. Those of us on X (Twitter) saw the videos streaming in from the Israeli embassy in Kensington where kaffiyeh-garbed groups went to celebrate. “Allah Akbar!” they howled in jubilance. I dread to think of the nature of a God that takes delight in such evil. Flares of red. Flares of green. Hollering. Gloating. A day of glory for a portion of my fellow countrymen. At least I am told they are my fellow countrymen, and administratively I believe they probably are. This was October 8th.

On October 9th I joined a vigil on Whitehall. There, several hundred, maybe a couple thousand, mainly Jewish grievers sang hymns and mourned the slaughter of the 1200. That same night, as the Victoria Line screeched me home, I faced a reveller from the other side of town. There he stood in front of me on the tube carriage. Euphoric. Chest out. He was returning home from another night of celebrations. Celebrations that I witnessed on X. Wrapped in his clan’s tartan - the black and white hattah cloth with which we’ve grown accustomed to. The tribal-wear of Palestine. I wanted to confront him. To hit him. Israel had not even responded at this point. But I controlled myself. I held back tears.

I was back in Westminster the following weekend, off to speak at the Social Democrat Party conference. Parliament Square was heaving. Balaclavas, groups of eggy black-clad lads. Lebanon flags. Palestine flags. Eyes looking for fights. “Israel is a Terrorist State” they chanted. Israel and British Jews continued to grieve the horrendous terrorist attacks. This would be one of the first of at least twenty such marches through my city in the year to come.

Britain now has a significant demographic of people who see reality completely differently to those of us who are culturally British. Or, as far as I’m concerned, don’t see reality at all. A poll commissioned by the Henry Jackson Society has found that only one in four British Muslims believe Hamas committed murder and rape in Israel on October 7th. That means at least 3 million British muslims reject the video evidence and testimony released by Hamas themselves, as it paints Hamas in a light that does not agree with their worldview. That Hamas are the freedom-fighters. The goodies.


The political far-left have done their best to claim these regular marches are “pro-Palestine”. But having witnessed them myself it is evident they are not. They are explicitly anti-Israel. Take this weekend for example. Marking the year anniversary of October 7th protestors waved placards which read “We Will Not Abandon Palestine” in a silhouette of Hassan Nasrallah the recently killed terrorist leader of Hezbollah. There were many such signs…

The same up and down the country. Humza Yousaf, the former First Minister of Scotland gave a speech on this anniversary weekend decrying Israel. Not Hamas who started the war and could have ended it, not Hezbollah, not the Houthis, not Iran, not Qatar. Israel. His blind frothing vitriol impervious to the fact that at least 100 Israeli hostages are still in Hamas captivity or dead.

These regular marches through our cities filled with unapologetic antisemitism have already inspired a backlash. The riots across England this summer were not unrelated.

How are we to make a nation of people with such fundamentally different grasps of reality? In the Middle East people are separated by borders, imperfect as they are. Here we live side by side. What is our common culture? What is it that unites the people of Britain? The answer is certainly not “diversity”.

Looking back I do see some hope. I see it in the spirit of Israel. I visited in January to tape interviews with Douglas Murray, Natan Sharansky, Eylon Levy and others. I found a nation hurting but united. Suffering but dignified. Young and old the nation had come together. With riots and protests across the world, here at the centre of the storm, it was eerily calm. And this was a nation divided before October 7th, lest we forget.

Netanyahu seems to be turning the tragedy of last year into military victory. Hamas and Hezbollah high command have been humiliated. Israel stands on the brink of tremendous advance. Once in a generation. Their enemies are the enemies of all the West. Yet the West appear to have forgotten as much.

Despite the rise in antisemitism in Britain I hope that British Jews know that it is specific minorities from which this hate rises, and that the majority of the country stands in solidarity with you.

Far away from the Gaza Envelope, England is not the same for October 7th. An ugly clarity has ascended. What can unite us again is yet to be seen. But I thank goodness for the example of the people of Israel.
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Reply #423 - Oct 11th, 2024 at 10:54am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 10th, 2024 at 6:51pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 10th, 2024 at 2:07pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 9th, 2024 at 3:41pm:
We need to talk about the crisis in Western civilisation


And why "London isn't safe anymore" ....

Quote:
Brendan O’Neill

There were two eruptions of barbarism last October. The first was Hamas’s pogrom of October 7, in which more than 1000 people were slaughtered and many others maimed, raped and kidnapped. The second was the sympathy for the pogrom across much of the West. The celebration, even, of this army of anti-Semites that had paraglided, barged and driven into southern Israel to decimate the civilian population there.
 

O'Neill - a typical  Conservative, unable or unwilling to  understand the causes of conflict.

Yes there was thuggery and murder on Oct. 7th, but the Israeli state has been denying justice for Palestinians for  generations.

Quote:
This is what we need to talk about. Urgently[/highlight]. The first eruption of barbarism in October 2023 – Hamas’s carnival of killing – confirmed what many of us already knew: that Hamas is a Jew-hating war machine that masquerades as a national liberation movement.


Hamas hate the Israeli state, yes, while Israelis have continued to resist adoption of UN res 181, preferring to maintain an illegal occupation of Palestinian land.

Rape and murder of course are a concomitant of the [b]barbarism of war
which O'Neill supports (following the absurd "legal war" doctrine forced into the UN Charter).

Quote:
The second eruption of barbarism – the pogrom apologism in our own cities – points to something we are less willing to talk about: the moral rot of a Western world that has turned its back on the virtues of reason, enlightenment and just plain decency.


"Just plain decency"? 

Back to the good billionaires' observation about London : "It's not safe anymore"; with unemployed thugs stabbing people, while Russian ologarchs and billionaires are living high in their gated mansions.

Quote:
October 7 exposed our own crisis of civilisation. Ignoring it would be nothing short of suicidal.
 

Correct, but O'Neill is a blind Conservative who thinks the soaring inequality in our cities is fine and dandy, nothing to see here. 

Quote:
This is an edited excerpt from Brendan O’Neill’s new book, After the Pogrom: 7 October, Israel and the Crisis of Civilisation, published by Spiked Books and available now.


Ramblings from a blind Conservative - no thanks.


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

And you are typical ignorant, blinkered know-nuffin' wind-up screeching parrot:


Even after defending Trump by attempting to teach you that deficits (caused by unfunded tax cuts) don't matter?

As understood by Kohler and Keen - see the latest MMT article. 

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Once a Trotskyist, O'Neill was formerly a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party and wrote for the party's journal Living Marxism. In 2019, O'Neill said he was a Marxist libertarian.


Like I said, I'll vote for Trump's economic policies, while rejecting his social policies; O'Neill is ignoring economics while (like Trump) defending Israel.

Why is "London no longer safe"?

Of course you blame the victims of socio-economic disadvantage for their bad behaviour, like all  blind Conservative ideologues.   
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Reply #424 - Oct 11th, 2024 at 11:16am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2024 at 4:50am:
October 7th, England - One Year On

Winston Marshall
Oct 08, 2024
Few people have a talent for words sufficient to articulate the horror, tragedy and significance of the October 7th, 2023. Certainly not me. What I offer here are some observations on how that awful day marked England.

It is not just the Middle East and Israel that is forever changed, but the West. The date marks a turning point for Britain and for my home city London. Here, on the far-side of the European continent, the deep divisions that have been creaking and groaning for nearly three decades cleaved fully open.


Marshall - another blind Conservative "Promised Land" Judeo Christian ideologue.

London deserves its fate; the British are the original  enablers of the recreation of Israel on Muslim lands, opening the gates of hell,  following the schisms in the scriptures of the "Peoples of the Book".

Western culture follows the Judeo-Christian portion of scriptures of "the Peoples of the Book", ignoring the ME (Islamic) culture's view, which has resulted in the current catastrophe, with Israel - now powerfully  backed by the US - reverting to its ancient playbook: "slaughter them without mercy" (1 Samuel 15 , 1-3) in retaliation for the resistance of the prior occupiers of the land, during the conquest of the "Promised Land".

Blind Judea Christians ideologues creating blind Muslim ideologues, making a mockery  of the scriptures of 'The Peoples of the Book".

Genocide is always ugly, regardless of the perpetrators.  i




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Reply #425 - Dec 23rd, 2024 at 11:31am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 11th, 2024 at 11:16am:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2024 at 4:50am:
October 7th, England - One Year On

Winston Marshall
Oct 08, 2024
Few people have a talent for words sufficient to articulate the horror, tragedy and significance of the October 7th, 2023. Certainly not me. What I offer here are some observations on how that awful day marked England.

It is not just the Middle East and Israel that is forever changed, but the West. The date marks a turning point for Britain and for my home city London. Here, on the far-side of the European continent, the deep divisions that have been creaking and groaning for nearly three decades cleaved fully open.


Marshall - another blind Conservative "Promised Land" Judeo Christian ideologue.

London deserves its fate; the British are the original  enablers of the recreation of Israel on Muslim lands, opening the gates of hell,  following the schisms in the scriptures of the "Peoples of the Book".

Western culture follows the Judeo-Christian portion of scriptures of "the Peoples of the Book", ignoring the ME (Islamic) culture's view, which has resulted in the current catastrophe, with Israel - now powerfully  backed by the US - reverting to its ancient playbook: "slaughter them without mercy" (1 Samuel 15 , 1-3) in retaliation for the resistance of the prior occupiers of the land, during the conquest of the "Promised Land".

Blind Judea Christians ideologues creating blind Muslim ideologues, making a mockery  of the scriptures of 'The Peoples of the Book".

Genocide is always ugly, regardless of the perpetrators. 




There is a point in the history of society when it becomes so pathologically soft and tender that among other things it sides even with those who harm it, criminals, and does this quite seriously and honestly. Punishing somehow seems unfair to it, and it is certain that imagining punishment and being supposed to punish hurts it, arouses fear in it. Is it not enough to render him undangerous? Why still punish? Punishing itself is terrible.
Nietzsche





Israel refuses to go soft and does punish those who attack it.
It is reviled for that.
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Reply #426 - Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 11:31am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 11th, 2024 at 11:16am:
Frank wrote on Oct 11th, 2024 at 4:50am:
October 7th, England - One Year On

Winston Marshall
Oct 08, 2024
Few people have a talent for words sufficient to articulate the horror, tragedy and significance of the October 7th, 2023. Certainly not me. What I offer here are some observations on how that awful day marked England.

It is not just the Middle East and Israel that is forever changed, but the West. The date marks a turning point for Britain and for my home city London. Here, on the far-side of the European continent, the deep divisions that have been creaking and groaning for nearly three decades cleaved fully open.


Marshall - another blind Conservative "Promised Land" Judeo Christian ideologue.

London deserves its fate; the British are the original  enablers of the recreation of Israel on Muslim lands, opening the gates of hell,  following the schisms in the scriptures of the "Peoples of the Book".

Western culture follows the Judeo-Christian portion of scriptures of "the Peoples of the Book", ignoring the ME (Islamic) culture's view, which has resulted in the current catastrophe, with Israel - now powerfully  backed by the US - reverting to its ancient playbook: "slaughter them without mercy" (1 Samuel 15 , 1-3) in retaliation for the resistance of the prior occupiers of the land, during the conquest of the "Promised Land".

Blind Judea Christians ideologues creating blind Muslim ideologues, making a mockery  of the scriptures of 'The Peoples of the Book".

Genocide is always ugly, regardless of the perpetrators. 




There is a point in the history of society when it becomes so pathologically soft and tender that among other things it sides even with those who harm it, criminals, and does this quite seriously and honestly. Punishing somehow seems unfair to it, and it is certain that imagining punishment and being supposed to punish hurts it, arouses fear in it. Is it not enough to render him undangerous? Why still punish? Punishing itself is terrible.
Nietzsche


Nietzsche didn't understand (indeed, predated) the pathology of modern neoclassicical orthodoxy masqueradig as economic truth, when in reality:


....economics textbooks still teach students that downward-sloping market demand curves can be derived from downward-sloping individual demand curves—though Mas-Colell’s PhD textbook does at least caution that this conclusion requires the existence of “a benevolent central authority” which “redistributes wealth in order to maximize social welfare” (Mas-Colell et al. 1996, p. 117) before market trades occur!

Neoclassical economists are the witchdoctors of capitalism, holding the leaders of our society in their thrall as they read the entrails of their Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium models, while at the same time they have no idea how that society actually works.


And speaking of 'Western Culture': it's very much based on the delusion that  "free markets" activated by  "free individuals" acting on their self-interest will produce the best outcome for society.   

But governments are collapsing around the globe, because they are forced to practice austerity (balance their budgets)  in a cost-of-living and housing crisis.

.........

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Israel refuses to go soft and does punish those who attack it.
It is reviled for that.


Yes, Israel is not a humanist state, its very foundation - Judaism - is based on a "jealous" bronze-age god.

I don't think Nietzsche had genocide as self-defence of the state in mind.
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Reply #427 - Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:19pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:15pm:
Nietzsche didn't understand (indeed, predated) the pathology of modern neoclassicical orthodoxy masqueradig as economic truth, when in reality:


....economics textbooks still teach students that downward-sloping market demand curves can be derived from downward-sloping individual demand curves—though Mas-Colell’s PhD textbook does at least caution that this conclusion requires the existence of “a benevolent central authority” which “redistributes wealth in order to maximize social welfare” (Mas-Colell et al. 1996, p. 117) before market trades occur!

Neoclassical economists are the witchdoctors of capitalism, holding the leaders of our society in their thrall as they read the entrails of their Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium models, while at the same time they have no idea how that society actually works.


And speaking of 'Western Culture': it's very much based on the delusion that  "free markets" activated by  "free individuals" acting on their self-interest will produce the best outcome for society.   

But governments are collapsing around the globe, because they are forced to practice austerity (balance their budgets)  in a cost-of-living and housing crisis.



Not this record! Not this ****ing record again!!!

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Reply #428 - Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:34pm
 
Nietzsche adheres to the ARCHAIC western that was born from ancient Athens and Rome and which France, Italy and Greece of today still hold firm to (the past). Germany did as well, but could only do so via Nazism and that just didn't work out for them did it precious.

True Western modern politics is found in the WEST of Europe: Great Britain. It's the one that will prevail, adapt and keep moving forward into the future by the influence of the world as it is NOW.
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Reply #429 - Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:43pm
 
Let's not forget that America ditched the true Western way of Great Britain for its Independence. But became DEPENDENT on the Archaic Western way for its Politics.
Like Germany, it's Confederation failed. Like France, it's Democracy will fail.
As the Archaic Western politics fails in Europe, it fails in America.


One day, Great Britain's time will come (against a unified Israel/Islam) and it will FADE INTO THE WEST (from Europe) as the last act... to reclaim America in need of it.

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Reply #430 - Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:53pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:19pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:15pm:
Nietzsche didn't understand (indeed, predated) the pathology of modern neoclassicical orthodoxy masqueradig as economic truth, when in reality:


....economics textbooks still teach students that downward-sloping market demand curves can be derived from downward-sloping individual demand curves—though Mas-Colell’s PhD textbook does at least caution that this conclusion requires the existence of “a benevolent central authority” which “redistributes wealth in order to maximize social welfare” (Mas-Colell et al. 1996, p. 117) before market trades occur!

Neoclassical economists are the witchdoctors of capitalism, holding the leaders of our society in their thrall as they read the entrails of their Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium models, while at the same time they have no idea how that society actually works.


And speaking of 'Western Culture': it's very much based on the delusion that  "free markets" activated by  "free individuals" acting on their self-interest will produce the best outcome for society.   

But governments are collapsing around the globe, because they are forced to practice austerity (balance their budgets)  in a cost-of-living and housing crisis.



Not this record! Not this ****ing record again!!!

🤮🤮🤮


Just because you know even less about macroeconomics  than Nietzsche, doesn't allow you to spout ignorant nonsense about "soft culture" based on your resulting misinterpretation of Nietzsche

You better stick with  Jasin's specialties (word salads disguised as "riddles") re global politics and economics. 
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Reply #431 - Dec 23rd, 2024 at 6:11pm
 
I don't intellectually masturbate by old out dated and now 'primitive' people like Nietzsche like you do TGD.
You obviously still eat from the Tree of Knowledge and all things 'known'.
I eat from the Tree of Life (what is to know) and all things new in the world.

I obviously know a lot more of what's happening in the world and WHY, compared to you. You probably can't even comprehend Australia's future as a Power in the world and I can assure you, it isn't via politics and military... which will only 'breed' here more than make the big $$$ like in North America.

The processes and mechanics of global colonisations (and it isn't just a white thing) are pretty simple to understand.
Just sticking to 'western' intellectualism only gives your brain just 10% understanding.

Word Salad? Yeah, right.  Roll Eyes
Not my fault you can't get with the program and comprehend. Maybe it's because you're stuck in the past like a primitive like Nietzsche. 😆
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Reply #432 - Dec 23rd, 2024 at 7:22pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:53pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:19pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:15pm:
Nietzsche didn't understand (indeed, predated) the pathology of modern neoclassicical orthodoxy masqueradig as economic truth, when in reality:


....economics textbooks still teach students that downward-sloping market demand curves can be derived from downward-sloping individual demand curves—though Mas-Colell’s PhD textbook does at least caution that this conclusion requires the existence of “a benevolent central authority” which “redistributes wealth in order to maximize social welfare” (Mas-Colell et al. 1996, p. 117) before market trades occur!

Neoclassical economists are the witchdoctors of capitalism, holding the leaders of our society in their thrall as they read the entrails of their Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium models, while at the same time they have no idea how that society actually works.


And speaking of 'Western Culture': it's very much based on the delusion that  "free markets" activated by  "free individuals" acting on their self-interest will produce the best outcome for society.   

But governments are collapsing around the globe, because they are forced to practice austerity (balance their budgets)  in a cost-of-living and housing crisis.



Not this record! Not this ****ing record again!!!

🤮🤮🤮


Just because you know even less about macroeconomics  than Nietzsche, doesn't allow you to spout ignorant nonsense about "soft culture" based on your resulting misinterpretation of Nietzsche

You better stick with  Jasin's specialties (word salads disguised as "riddles") re global politics and economics. 


You are a monomaniac like that Magdeburg loon, he for Allah, you for the CCCP . There is no difference between you except he could rent a BMW.
The fried, scrambled mind is the same. He was ****ed by Islam, you are ****ed by the CCCP.



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Reply #433 - Dec 26th, 2024 at 4:34pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 7:22pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:53pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:19pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23rd, 2024 at 5:15pm:
Nietzsche didn't understand (indeed, predated) the pathology of modern neoclassicical orthodoxy masqueradig as economic truth, when in reality:


....economics textbooks still teach students that downward-sloping market demand curves can be derived from downward-sloping individual demand curves—though Mas-Colell’s PhD textbook does at least caution that this conclusion requires the existence of “a benevolent central authority” which “redistributes wealth in order to maximize social welfare” (Mas-Colell et al. 1996, p. 117) before market trades occur!

Neoclassical economists are the witchdoctors of capitalism, holding the leaders of our society in their thrall as they read the entrails of their Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium models, while at the same time they have no idea how that society actually works.


And speaking of 'Western Culture': it's very much based on the delusion that  "free markets" activated by  "free individuals" acting on their self-interest will produce the best outcome for society.   

But governments are collapsing around the globe, because they are forced to practice austerity (balance their budgets)  in a cost-of-living and housing crisis.



Not this record! Not this ****ing record again!!!

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Just because you know even less about macroeconomics  than Nietzsche, doesn't allow you to spout ignorant nonsense about "soft culture" based on your resulting misinterpretation of Nietzsche

You better stick with  Jasin's specialties (word salads disguised as "riddles") re global politics and economics. 


You are a monomaniac like that Magdeburg loon, he for Allah, you for the CCCP . There is no difference between you except he could rent a BMW.
The fried, scrambled mind is the same. He was ****ed by Islam, you are ****ed by the CCCP.



As usual, you forgot to make your case; you aren't capable of understanding the errors in Western individual rights/individual freedom ideology.

Animals don't create concepts such as "morality, justice and fairness", which many world religions sum up as 'the golden rule'. 

And Keen's criticism of neoclassical "freedom"/inequality economics has nothing to do with  the CCP except that China is also struggling with the current global financial system. 

As for Islam, it's marred by the same "jealous" god as Judaism, and the respective scriptures become  dangerous when theologians insist that scriptures are the Word of God; when they are very much the Word of Men trying to describe god (impossible because we don't understand infinity.

And Christian theologians muddy the water by insisting Jesus is god; in fact (ironically) the one thing Moslems and Jews agree on (correctly)  is Jesus is not god.

But of course RW Christians defend Israel because they see its recreation as a portent to Christ's return as  foretold in Revelations. 
They disregard the fact Marcion, an early non-Jewish Christian compiler of the evolving NT scripture after Christ's death, rejected Judaism's  bible entirely, because 'the Prince of Peace' was obviously  NOT the Jews' god who was described as a 'man of war' (in Genesis).

Here endeth your second lesson.
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The UN  itself had scant awareness of these theological realities in 1946, hence the proposed  2-state solution.

But Netanyahu wants the lot; what orthodox jews and Muslins must do is acknowledge their god - the same god' - is a false god.

And establish peace in Israel-Palestine, because there will be no peace so long as people adhere to conflicting scripture as 'the Word of God'.   

Conclusion:  Western civilization is marred by both neoclassial economics and false  religious dogma.

Eastern (and ME) civilization have  their  own versions  of these problems. 



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