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Reply #450 - Dec 30th, 2024 at 12:32pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 12:10pm:
Those who might be prepared to review and possibly revise their understanding of what conservative means today (a conservative thing to do, I know), here is a little overview:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/conservatism/Conservatism-and-nationalism


And an excellent discussion:


It doesn't matter what Conservative means, it matters why men so far have not overcome their doctrinal and philosophical  differences, in the age of MAD.
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Reply #451 - Dec 30th, 2024 at 12:45pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 12:10pm:
Those who might be prepared to review and possibly revise their understanding of what conservative means today (a conservative thing to do, I know), here is a little overview:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/conservatism/Conservatism-and-nationalism


And an excellent discussion:


It doesn't matter what Conservative means, it matters why men so far have not overcome their doctrinal and philosophical  differences, in the age of MAD.

So why doesn't China destroy its nuclear weapons?
You forgot to tell us.

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Reply #452 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 9:06pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 12:45pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 12:10pm:
Those who might be prepared to review and possibly revise their understanding of what conservative means today (a conservative thing to do, I know), here is a little overview:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/conservatism/Conservatism-and-nationalism


And an excellent discussion:


It doesn't matter what Conservative means, it matters why men so far have not overcome their doctrinal and philosophical  differences, in the age of MAD.

So why doesn't China destroy its nuclear weapons?
You forgot to tell us.



To deter the US with its delusional individual freedom ideology. The ugly 'America First' US ideologues  would force the CCP out at gunpont if China disarmed, and plunder its people and resources.

Thus  men must overcome their doctrinal and philosophical differences, in the age of MAD.

Rule by (individual and national) self-interest  certainly won't achieve it, common prosperity must be part of the deal, as posited in the UNUDHR.

Heard on the radio today, in a discussion about the current state of the world: "politics isn't working any more." 

Why? 

Because self-interested nations and individuals don't want to abide by international law and the principles of the UNUDHR.

The ugly human....


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Reply #453 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 6:46pm
 
The Conservative Turn in Literary Studies
In a time of uncertainty, scholars seek a return to the fundamentals.


There’s a conservative turn happening in literary studies, although it hasn’t received much public attention. Those involved certainly haven’t banded together under a banner. In literature departments, there are no “conservatives” to compete with, say, “surface readers” or any other new, branded trend. In fact, it seems likely that those engaged in the movement are not fully aware they belong to it. After all, it isn’t easy to call oneself a conservative in the humanities these days. Yet this conservative turn is significant. It marks a pivotal moment of recognition in the discipline of English’s history.

What defines the conservative turn? A return to disciplinary bedrock, an insistence that the methods and purposes that first defined the discipline be respected and, in some form or other, resuscitated. The conservative turn also, therefore, revives interest in the discipline’s history. It remembers and reappraises not just English’s pathways and achievements but also its core values.

Only a small number of people are involved in this conservative turn. But it is nevertheless driven by powerful political and historical forces. It should be better understood — and, at least in part, endorsed.

The rest here:
https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-conservative-turn-in-literary-studies?bc_n...
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Reply #454 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:02pm
 
[quote author=Frank link=1617800791/453#453 date=1736844372]The Conservative Turn in Literary Studies
In a time of uncertainty, scholars seek a return to the fundamentals.
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"Scholars" who - like the general public - have no idea how the economy works to favour the well-off.



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Reply #455 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:18pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:02pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1617800791/453#453 date=1736844372]The Conservative Turn in Literary Studies
In a time of uncertainty, scholars seek a return to the fundamentals.
[/quote

"Scholars" who - like the general public - have no idea how the economy works to favour the well-off.




Ah, you didnt make it past the first triggering word.
Sad.

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Reply #456 - Jan 17th, 2025 at 4:57pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:02pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1617800791/453#453 date=1736844372]The Conservative Turn in Literary Studies
In a time of uncertainty, scholars seek a return to the fundamentals.
[/quote

"Scholars" who - like the general public - have no idea how the economy works to favour the well-off.




Ah, you didnt make it past the first triggering word.
Sad.



Pointing out that most "Conservative" scholars (among others) don't understand how the economy works, is NOT "being trggered by a certain word". it's a statement of fact. .
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Reply #457 - Jan 17th, 2025 at 5:01pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 17th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:02pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1617800791/453#453 date=1736844372]The Conservative Turn in Literary Studies
In a time of uncertainty, scholars seek a return to the fundamentals.
[/quote

"Scholars" who - like the general public - have no idea how the economy works to favour the well-off.




Ah, you didnt make it past the first triggering word.
Sad.



Pointing out that most "Conservative" scholars (among others) don't understand how the economy works, is NOT "being trggered by a certain word". it's a statement of fact. .


The article is about literature, incomprehending parrot.


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Reply #458 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:02am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 17th, 2025 at 5:01pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 17th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:02pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1617800791/453#453 date=1736844372]The Conservative Turn in Literary Studies
In a time of uncertainty, scholars seek a return to the fundamentals.
[/quote

"Scholars" who - like the general public - have no idea how the economy works to favour the well-off.




Ah, you didnt make it past the first triggering word.
Sad.



Pointing out that most "Conservative" scholars (among others) don't understand how the economy works, is NOT "being trggered by a certain word". it's a statement of fact. .


The article is about literature, incomprehending parrot.


And misses the point, which is:

"It's the economy, stupid".

Dysfunctional mainstream economics is why Trump has resorted to his own version of 'survival of the fittest' economics, in order to MAGA.

Sad. Conservatives navel gazing about literature are as useless as an ash-tray on a motor bike.

Trump will certainly shake up the US and global economies...the outcome is soon to be revealed.

Mainstream economists' predictions are divided, of couse; stay tuned, as nations everywhere are alarmed by possible consequences for their own economies.    
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Reply #459 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:16am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:02am:
Frank wrote on Jan 17th, 2025 at 5:01pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 17th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:02pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1617800791/453#453 date=1736844372]The Conservative Turn in Literary Studies
In a time of uncertainty, scholars seek a return to the fundamentals.
[/quote

"Scholars" who - like the general public - have no idea how the economy works to favour the well-off.




Ah, you didnt make it past the first triggering word.
Sad.



Pointing out that most "Conservative" scholars (among others) don't understand how the economy works, is NOT "being trggered by a certain word". it's a statement of fact. .


The article is about literature, incomprehending parrot.


And misses the point, which is:

"It's the economy, stupid".

Dysfunctional mainstream economics is why Trump has resorted to his own version of 'survival of the fittest' economics, in order to MAGA.

Sad. Conservatives navel gazing about literature are as useless as an ash-tray on a motor bike.

Trump will certainly shake up the US and global economies...the outcome is soon to be revealed.

Mainstream economists' predictions are divided, of couse; stay tuned, as nations everywhere are alarmed by possible consequences for their own economies.    

Literature is not about the economy, mong.

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Reply #460 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:02pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:16am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:02am:
Frank wrote on Jan 17th, 2025 at 5:01pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 17th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:02pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1617800791/453#453 date=1736844372]The Conservative Turn in Literary Studies
In a time of uncertainty, scholars seek a return to the fundamentals.
[/quote

"Scholars" who - like the general public - have no idea how the economy works to favour the well-off.




Ah, you didnt make it past the first triggering word.
Sad.



Pointing out that most "Conservative" scholars (among others) don't understand how the economy works, is NOT "being trggered by a certain word". it's a statement of fact. .


The article is about literature, incomprehending parrot.


And misses the point, which is:

"It's the economy, stupid".

Dysfunctional mainstream economics is why Trump has resorted to his own version of 'survival of the fittest' economics, in order to MAGA.

Sad. Conservatives navel gazing about literature are as useless as an ash-tray on a motor bike.

Trump will certainly shake up the US and global economies...the outcome is soon to be revealed.

Mainstream economists' predictions are divided, of couse; stay tuned, as nations everywhere are alarmed by possible consequences for their own economies.    

Literature is not about the economy, mong.



Conservatists discussing litrerature without  reference to progresssive  economics (to achieve an economy which works for all, is mere  navel gazzing.

You are displaying an unfortunate consevative tendency to compartmentalize topics, eg in academia where eg, health, corrections theory,  philosophy and economics disciplines never know what the other is saying. 
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Reply #461 - Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:49pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:02pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:16am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:02am:
Frank wrote on Jan 17th, 2025 at 5:01pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 17th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:02pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1617800791/453#453 date=1736844372]The Conservative Turn in Literary Studies
In a time of uncertainty, scholars seek a return to the fundamentals.
[/quote

"Scholars" who - like the general public - have no idea how the economy works to favour the well-off.




Ah, you didnt make it past the first triggering word.
Sad.



Pointing out that most "Conservative" scholars (among others) don't understand how the economy works, is NOT "being trggered by a certain word". it's a statement of fact. .


The article is about literature, incomprehending parrot.


And misses the point, which is:

"It's the economy, stupid".

Dysfunctional mainstream economics is why Trump has resorted to his own version of 'survival of the fittest' economics, in order to MAGA.

Sad. Conservatives navel gazing about literature are as useless as an ash-tray on a motor bike.

Trump will certainly shake up the US and global economies...the outcome is soon to be revealed.

Mainstream economists' predictions are divided, of couse; stay tuned, as nations everywhere are alarmed by possible consequences for their own economies.    

Literature is not about the economy, mong.



Conservatists discussing litrerature without  reference to progresssive s ecoomcs (to av chieve an economy which works for all is mere  navel gazzing.

You are displaying an unfortunate consevative tendency to compartmentalize topics, eg in academia where eg, health, corrections theory,  philosophy and economics disciplines never know what the other is saying. 


I am comparmentalising you as a complete **** idiot in the same compartment as Bbwiyawn, thicko as mince-o, gweggy turd, arse sniffing paki and their ilk.

You are a monomaniac like them.  Different bee, different bonnet, same ****ing derangement.

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Reply #462 - Jan 26th, 2025 at 10:44am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 8:49pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 6:02pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 9:16am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25th, 2025 at 7:02am:
Frank wrote on Jan 17th, 2025 at 5:01pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 17th, 2025 at 4:57pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:18pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 5:02pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1617800791/453#453 date=1736844372]The Conservative Turn in Literary Studies
In a time of uncertainty, scholars seek a return to the fundamentals.
[/quote

"Scholars" who - like the general public - have no idea how the economy works to favour the well-off.




Ah, you didnt make it past the first triggering word.
Sad.



Pointing out that most "Conservative" scholars (among others) don't understand how the economy works, is NOT "being trggered by a certain word". it's a statement of fact. .


The article is about literature, incomprehending parrot.


And misses the point, which is:

"It's the economy, stupid".

Dysfunctional mainstream economics is why Trump has resorted to his own version of 'survival of the fittest' economics, in order to MAGA.

Sad. Conservatives navel gazing about literature are as useless as an ash-tray on a motor bike.

Trump will certainly shake up the US and global economies...the outcome is soon to be revealed.

Mainstream economists' predictions are divided, of couse; stay tuned, as nations everywhere are alarmed by possible consequences for their own economies.    

Literature is not about the economy, mong.



Conservatists discussing litrerature without  reference to progresssive s ecoomcs (to av chieve an economy which works for all is mere  navel gazzing.

You are displaying an unfortunate consevative tendency to compartmentalize topics, eg in academia where eg, health, corrections theory,  philosophy and economics disciplines never know what the other is saying. 


I am comparmentalising you as a complete **** idiot


Proving my point  - your conservatism cripples your  ability to understand complex causes, an outcome of the unis compartmentalizing academic studies in separate disciplines and refusing to see the correlation between eg poverty and crime. 

Quote:
You are a monomaniac like them.  Different bee, different bonnet, same ****ing derangement.


We all hate social and economic injustice.
"Monomaniacal"?

Guilty,  as charged....
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Reply #463 - Jan 26th, 2025 at 11:31am
 
To repeat: The conservative turn is being made by people who are not, in terms of electoral politics, conservative at all. The conservative turn is only conservative in the context of the academic humanities, not in terms of wider social politics. Indeed, paradoxically, the disciplinary conservative turn belongs to the left.

Disciplinary conservatism can avoid becoming entangled with those forms of the humanities that take on the role of society’s conscience.

In the face of this paradox, perhaps our first challenge in trying to understand the conservative turn concerns the word “conservative” itself. Instead of being petrified by it, we need to re-examine it. We need to think about its various, in fact very different, modalities and its various relations to culture and society both historically and conceptually. Such an effort is especially useful today because it seems as if conservativism, in some of its modes at least, can stand against the popular authoritarianisms that have recently become so powerful around the world.

At the same time, disciplinary conservatism can avoid becoming entangled with those forms of the humanities that take on the role of society’s conscience — let’s call them the evangelical humanities. Once the evangelical humanities embraced identity rather than class politics, they were endorsed by the educated class quite generally. But, as many have noted, that triggered a reaction that has helped unleash popular authoritarianisms. Disciplinary conservatism pushes back on this process.
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Reply #464 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 8:16am
 
One response to the era of mass migration that I’ve written a great deal about has been what I’ve called the deculturation of our societies, the idea that in order to welcome people into our societies, we effectively have to pretend we’re uninteresting and unimportant places until migration makes us interesting.

Recently a friend of mine used an analogy to explain this to me. He said that, as a boy, he had the impression that ice cream was something whose base flavour was vanilla, and all other flavours were added on top of vanilla. It was only at some point in his youth, he said, that he discovered vanilla itself has a flavour, and a very complex flavour.

The West has created an extraordinarily complex and rich flavour, and we have spent recent years pretending we have no flavour, or that flavour is something that only other people bring to us. This is, of course, flat out wrong, but it’s been something we’ve now told more than one generation of young people in the West.

We’ve told them that we don’t really have anything very great, or if we do we ought not to talk about it much. I believe this is wrong because what we have in the cities of Europe and the West are the greatest civilisation the world has known.

(Douglas Murray at the Alliance of Responsible Citizenship conference in London.)
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