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Reply #45 - May 30th, 2021 at 2:02pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 3:11pm:
Agatha, the problem with Western culture based on individualism  is its belief in its superiority.

But a rising Eastern one-party meritocracy is about to overtake the current leader of Western democratic culture, in terns of global power.

Why?

Because elections based on a majority of votes by self-interested individuals (which we all are) result in a 50/50 L-R split in the community, not an efficient method of governance compared with a unified and consistent policy-setting government on behalf of community cohesion and rising living standards.


Are you suggesting we abandon Western democracy and adopt an Eastern influenced one party authoritarian system instead?


thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 3:11pm:
elections based on a majority of votes by self-interested individuals (which we all are) result in a 50/50 L-R split in the community


This conflicts with what Barnacle said, he said, and I quote, ".... people are free to behave however they please within the law"

How do you view this statement by Barnacle?

If you agree with it, do you think we could still do as we please under one-party authoritarian rule?



How would this go down in Australia? ...

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China bans things we wouldn't even be thinking about ...

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From the days of Mao Zedong to present, repressive legislation has resulted in some rigid and often downright bizarre bans.
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https://www.ranker.com/list/everything-banned-in-china/ranker-news


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Reply #46 - Jun 1st, 2021 at 3:56pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 2:02pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 3:11pm:
elections based on a majority of votes by self-interested individuals (which we all are) result in a 50/50 L-R split in the community


This conflicts with what Barnacle said, he said, and I quote, ".... people are free to behave however they please within the law"

How do you view this statement by Barnacle?

If you agree with it, do you think we could still do as we please under one-party authoritarian rule?




It doesn't conflict with what i said
people can do as they please, at the moment that happens to be very polarised thanks mostly to media (social, mainstream and fringe)
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Reply #47 - Jun 1st, 2021 at 8:04pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 3:56pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 2:02pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 3:11pm:
elections based on a majority of votes by self-interested individuals (which we all are) result in a 50/50 L-R split in the community


This conflicts with what Barnacle said, he said, and I quote, ".... people are free to behave however they please within the law"

How do you view this statement by Barnacle?

If you agree with it, do you think we could still do as we please under one-party authoritarian rule?




It doesn't conflict with what i said
people can do as they please, at the moment that happens to be very polarised thanks mostly to media (social, mainstream and fringe)



It conflicts in the way that he (thegreatdivide) is suggesting, by implication, that self-interested individuals voting in elections results in inefficient governing, and that we should have a Chinese style one party rule with 5 year plans

Your generalized statement suggests we can vote for whom ever we like and for whatever we like ... the conclusion from this would be that we are: "self-interested" individuals

The question for you is now; Do you agree or disagree with what thegreatdivide has been posting?
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Reply #48 - Jun 1st, 2021 at 8:14pm
 
The expression Western culture is an oxymoron.

The West has no culture, they stole and misappropriated culture from others.

The Greeks stole it from the Arabs, the Romans stole it from the Greeks, the UK stole it from the Romans, everybody stole from the Chinese.

The only self-developed and self-owned culture the West has is theft.

America became a black hole for culture and a culture laundry. They took beautiful intelligent culture and culture washed it into a bland featureless blob.
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Reply #49 - Jun 1st, 2021 at 8:50pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 8:14pm:
The Greeks stole it from the Arabs, the Romans stole it from the Greeks, the UK stole it from the Romans, everybody stole from the Chinese


You'd need to show proof of that, beyond gunpowder and the abacus
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Reply #50 - Jun 9th, 2021 at 12:47am
 
What we have here is an example of an "Eastern" culture getting upset with another "Eastern" culture ... in our Western style Democracy of freedom where supposedly people are free to do as they wish provided they stay within the law


Blacktown City Council apologizes to muslim community for a Hindu celebration held in Blacktown in Western Sydney


https://www.amust.com.au/2020/08/blacktown-council-apologises-for-hindutva-celeb...


The celebration was for something that happened in India, not Australia. This was all about a clash between Hindus and muslims in India over some disputed land and the Hindus are going to build a temple on it

The Hindu celebration in Blacktown was a "turning of the sod" celebration for that temple  ... and it caused disharmony in multicultural Blacktown. To mend the rift, Blacktown City Council apologized to Keysar Trad and the muslim community

https://www.afic.com.au/2020/08/offensive-celebrations-in-support-of-hindutva-ex...


Was any law broken? not that I could see. But we now know there is this lasting tension between Hindus and Muslims in Australia, over a foreign dispute, in India

So Blacktown City Council must be learning a lesson about all this .... Don't allow multicultural celebrations caused by foreign disputes, to take place on Council property


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Reply #51 - Jun 9th, 2021 at 10:42pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 8:04pm:
The question for you is now; Do you agree or disagree with what thegreatdivide has been posting?



I agree with some of it, I disagree with some of it
I know that wont be happy with that response. Like all Right wingers you prefer to see the world in a simplistic, binary "us vs them" way. It's probably why you start so many wars.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 12:47am:
What we have here is an example of an "Eastern" culture getting upset with another "Eastern" culture ... in our Western style Democracy of freedom where supposedly people are free to do as they wish provided they stay within the law


What we have here is an example of why your simplistic East vs West is so absurd.
Do you really expect old animosities to just disappear? It's much like the old rivalries between Catholics and Protestants that were brought over here from the United Kingdom. Or is that acceptable to you because it is part of Western Culture
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Reply #52 - Jun 9th, 2021 at 11:04pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 8:14pm:
The expression Western culture is an oxymoron.

The West has no culture, they stole and misappropriated culture from others.

The Greeks stole it from the Arabs, the Romans stole it from the Greeks, the UK stole it from the Romans, everybody stole from the Chinese.

The only self-developed and self-owned culture the West has is theft.

America became a black hole for culture and a culture laundry. They took beautiful intelligent culture and culture washed it into a bland featureless blob.

I am sensing moronic rage....


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Reply #53 - Jun 10th, 2021 at 2:16am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 10:42pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 8:04pm:
The question for you is now; Do you agree or disagree with what thegreatdivide has been posting?


I agree with some of it, I disagree with some of it
I know that wont be happy with that response. Like all Right wingers you prefer to see the world in a simplistic, binary "us vs them" way. It's probably why you start so many wars.



You're being presumptuous, I'm not a Right winger and I'd be more than happy if you explained what you agree with, and what you don't agree with in thegreatdivide's posts



Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 12:47am:
What we have here is an example of an "Eastern" culture getting upset with another "Eastern" culture ... in our Western style Democracy of freedom where supposedly people are free to do as they wish provided they stay within the law


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What we have here is an example of why your simplistic East vs West is so absurd.
Do you really expect old animosities to just disappear? It's much like the old rivalries between Catholics and Protestants that were brought over here from the United Kingdom. Or is that acceptable to you because it is part of Western Culture



Yes, I expect old animosities to quickly wane then disappear .. in Australia. There's no need for them. If the Catholics and Protestants were a problem, then why should we have any more rivalries that disturb the peace?

In the case of the Blacktown City Council dispute, one of the belligerents had a "win", and it doesn't matter which one it was, because it should have been assured that both "lost". In other words, it would have been more prudent for the long term peace and harmony if Blacktown Council had just admitted their mistake of holding the Hindu celebration on Council property, and then .... tell the belligerents to "put their swords away, and keep them away, and don't let your foreign disputes poison the general Australian community"

As it was, one had a win, by way of receiving an apology. The other had a lose, by having to extend the apology. That, I'm sure, only exacerbated the animosity between the two.



The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 10:42pm:
simplistic East vs West is so absurd.



It is simplified for a reason, for the purpose of readily identifying the two main cultures, that of the Western European culture (of Western Nations), and that of the extended Eastern Asian culture (from Turkey to China). It will only get too complicated if we converse about all the different varieties, it's not necessary in this thread

Now if you wish to talk about Western Culture, please go ahead, but I'd appreciate it if you would desist from sniping at me, or anyone else. I neither want to talk about Left, or Right politics in here, unless it assists in the conversation about determining the future outcome of Australia's Liberal Democracy (without referring to any particular political personality in Parliament, or any poster in on these boards)


Question: What do you think about our Liberal Democracy, will it last, will it become less "Liberal" over time? What are your thoughts on that subject?




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Reply #54 - Jun 11th, 2021 at 8:30am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 9th, 2021 at 12:47am:
What we have here is an example of an "Eastern" culture getting upset with another "Eastern" culture ... in our Western style Democracy of freedom where supposedly people are free to do as they wish provided they stay within the law


Blacktown City Council apologizes to muslim community for a Hindu celebration held in Blacktown in Western Sydney


https://www.amust.com.au/2020/08/blacktown-council-apologises-for-hindutva-celeb...


The celebration was for something that happened in India, not Australia. This was all about a clash between Hindus and muslims in India over some disputed land and the Hindus are going to build a temple on it

The Hindu celebration in Blacktown was a "turning of the sod" celebration for that temple  ... and it caused disharmony in multicultural Blacktown. To mend the rift, Blacktown City Council apologized to Keysar Trad and the muslim community

https://www.afic.com.au/2020/08/offensive-celebrations-in-support-of-hindutva-ex...


Was any law broken? not that I could see. But we now know there is this lasting tension between Hindus and Muslims in Australia, over a foreign dispute, in India

So Blacktown City Council must be learning a lesson about all this .... Don't allow multicultural celebrations caused by foreign disputes, to take place on Council property


And note the irony that it was so named for its early inhabitants. Perhaps it would be more PC to rename it Indigenoustown.
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Reply #55 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:17pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 2:02pm:
Are you suggesting we abandon Western democracy and adopt an Eastern influenced one party authoritarian system instead?


No, I'm suggesting we engage in a friendly competition with China., especially since most Chinese are very satisfied with their government which has lifted more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any nation in history.

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This conflicts with what Barnacle said, he said, and I quote, ".... people are free to behave however they please within the law"

How do you view this statement by Barnacle?


I view it as equally applicable in Australia or China.

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If you agree with it, do you think we could still do as we please under one-party authoritarian ru?


No, the law will be different, but "freedom" is in the eye of the beholder, especially if essential living costs of low-wage workers  are subsidized by the government as they are in China.  eg, the US has the largest prison population in the world because of unmet social need in the 'Land of the Free'....

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How would this go down in Australia? ...


Elimination of poverty and homelessness would go down very well in Australis, but both political parties are signed up to the evil neoliberal economic system currently holding sway in the Western world.

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China bans things we wouldn't even be thinking about ...


Thats' correct ...things we wouldn't even be thinking about ..so hardly on the level of eradicating eg, homelessness. I read your link, trashy stuff , can't hug Winnie the Pooh...big deal. But the article was wrong on Bitcoin, China did not ban it (even though it's only a ponzi currency that has been caught up in some recent criminal cases).

IMO, the  systemic poverty rife in Oz (eg 1 in 6 kids living in poverty)  is the greatest of human rights abuses, you can keep your worthless  fake "freedom" to hug Winnie the Pooh.
 


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Reply #56 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:54pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:17pm:
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How would this go down in Australia? ...


Elimination of poverty and homelessness would go down very well in Australis, but both political parties are signed up to the evil neoliberal economic system currently holding sway in the Western world.



You'll need to go back and read that bit again


It was thus ....


How would this go down in Australia? ...
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Never talk about uncomfortable or politically sensitive topics (in China)"
(Advice for tourists when visiting China)


Imagine us Aussies never talking about uncomfortable or politically sensitive topics here at home - we'd all die!



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Reply #57 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 8:46pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:54pm:
You'll need to go back and read that bit again


It was thus ....


How would this go down in Australia? ...
"
Never talk about uncomfortable or politically sensitive topics (in China)"
(Advice for tourists when visiting China)

Imagine us Aussies never talking about uncomfortable or politically sensitive topics here at home - we'd all die!


Comfortable conservatives might  feel good spouting hot air about  their blind-leading-the-blind democracies. Chinese prefer results. Chinese youngsters are well aware of the fake "freedoms" offered by the democracies, and even  kids in the democracies aren't sure if democracy is a good form of government these days.
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Reply #58 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 8:59pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 8:46pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:54pm:
You'll need to go back and read that bit again


It was thus ....


How would this go down in Australia? ...
"
Never talk about uncomfortable or politically sensitive topics (in China)"
(Advice for tourists when visiting China)

Imagine us Aussies never talking about uncomfortable or politically sensitive topics here at home - we'd all die!


Comfortable conservatives might  feel good spouting hot air about  their blind-leading-the-blind democracies. Chinese prefer results. Chinese youngsters are well aware of the fake "freedoms" offered by the democracies, and even  kids in the democracies aren't sure if democracy is a good form of government these days.

The Chinese regime prefers death to minorities and no freedoms to those who survive that is not in the service of the regime...

You know it's true... Western people are not the blinded masses that the Chinese regime has inflicted on its own people.
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Reply #59 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 9:00pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 8:46pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:54pm:
You'll need to go back and read that bit again


It was thus ....


How would this go down in Australia? ...
"
Never talk about uncomfortable or politically sensitive topics (in China)"
(Advice for tourists when visiting China)

Imagine us Aussies never talking about uncomfortable or politically sensitive topics here at home - we'd all die!


Comfortable conservatives might  feel good spouting hot air about  their blind-leading-the-blind democracies. Chinese prefer results. Chinese youngsters are well aware of the fake "freedoms" offered by the democracies, and even  kids in the democracies aren't sure if democracy is a good form of government these days.
I think you are making this up as you go along, how many Chinese kids have you interviewed?
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