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Reply #60 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:50pm

rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:00pm:

I think you are making this up as you go along, how many Chinese kids have you interviewed?

Google: support for the CCP in China.

" On the whole, the younger generation of China has more confidence in China's future and the CCP is gaining more support from the young. With increasing opportunities for development in China, young generation in China have their own dreams and their dream is also a part of the China..." …

and google: young people don't think democracy is the best form of government.

"More and more people in the West are losing faith in democracy. And the younger they are, the worse the trend.

Harvard lecturer Yascha Mounk and Roberto Stefan Foa, a political scientist at the University of Melbourne in Australia, have published a study which looks at decades worth of data on attitudes towards democracy, revealing some alarming results".

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Reply #63 - Jun 18^th, 2021 at 12:18pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 17^th, 2021 at 4:25am:

Time for another break

Who doesn't like listening to the lovely Sarah Brightman?

Here she is singing "Time to say goodbye" with Andre Bocelli.

The song was commissioned for the closing ceremony of the 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games. At that time, Sarah and José Carreras performed the song together

Thanks, Western technology and music...wonderful; and yet some ME Islamic music is equally transcendent.

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Reply #65 - Jun 18^th, 2021 at 3:44pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 18^th, 2021 at 12:18pm:

hanks, Western technology and music...wonderful; and yet some ME Islamic music is equally transcendent.

It's not a matter of transcending or competing, it's a matter of evaluating how Eastern Culture will mix with Western Culture over the long term in Australia. Will they mix well, or will they mix badly?, given all the differences between the two. Or will variants in both the main cultures eventually separate and live according to their own customs and peculiarities of their groups?

Here's a fairly lighthearted survey of Japanese girls about dating Western men .... "worried about religious and cultural differences"

Post some Islamic music if you wish

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Reply #66 - Jun 18^th, 2021 at 5:00pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 18^th, 2021 at 12:58pm:

The repository of Western culture, the British and French museums are collections of artifacts stolen from other countries.

Western culture is one of theft. Theft of other people's culture.

And you are 'other people'?

Stop using English, then, cultural appropriator, if you are so resentful of Britain.
And put the bone back through your nose, there's a good thobbin' knob.

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Reply #67 - Jun 30^th, 2021 at 9:01pm

Advice for all of you who missed out on a proper education on the bedrock of your culture, psychology, literature and imagination.

Start at lecture one and work your way through. Take notes. You will not regret it. Ignore the knockers. Listen and think for yourself.

https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/category/transcripts/biblical-series/

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Reply #68 - Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 12:10pm

Bertie wrote on Jun 30^th, 2021 at 9:01pm:

Advice for all of you who missed out on a proper education on the bedrock of your culture, psychology, literature and imagination.

Start at lecture one and work your way through. Take notes. You will not regret it. Ignore the knockers. Listen and think for yourself.

https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/category/transcripts/biblical-series/

That's a bit deep Agatha, I can only get a basic outline of what he's saying, however, I'll keep listening

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Reply #69 - Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 5:52pm

He is a clinical psychologist who has read Jung, Milton, Nietzsche, Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Solzhenitsyn and a lot of neuroscience and literature.
He is speaking to young people who can't get enough of the stuff because they never hear it in school or uni.

I think it's easy to understand but there is a lot of depth, as you say.

It is like Jung, a doctor and a sage, lecturing on the Bible as an expression of the human condition. It's stupendous.

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Reply #70 - Jul 3^rd, 2021 at 12:23pm

Bertie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 5:52pm:

He is a clinical psychologist who has read Jung, Milton, Nietzsche, Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Solzhenitsyn and a lot of neuroscience and literature.
He is speaking to young people who can't get enough of the stuff because they never hear it in school or uni.

I think it's easy to understand but there is a lot of depth, as you say.

It is like Jung, a doctor and a sage, lecturing on the Bible as an expression of the human condition. It's stupendous.

..because it reinforces your ideology?

Paul Thagard Ph.D.
Feb. 14th. 2018.

Jordan Peterson’s Flimsy Philosophy of Life
Peterson’s claims about morality, reality, and the meaning of life are dubious.

"But philosophers since Plato have recognized many problems with basing ethics on religion. First, different religions have different prescriptions, and Peterson gives no argument why Christianity is morally superior to Islam, Hinduism, or dozens of alternatives. Even within Christianity, there is much disagreement among Catholics, Protestants, and Mormons. For morality to be based on religion, you need to be able to make a reasonable decision concerning which religion to choose.

Least of all the Old Testament, imbued by the evil spirit of genocide, and hence rejected by Marcion as the basis of the New Testament relating the story of the "Prince of Peace".

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Reply #71 - Jul 3^rd, 2021 at 3:51pm

You will learn a lot more from Petersen than from Thagard.
Petersen's lectures on the Bible, which I recommended, take a rationalist, scientific view and also take literature, myths and biblical exegesis seriously. He has read Jung and Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky carefully. He is a scientist and not a propagandist of anything, you are not required to agree with him and you will not be deplatformed or ostracised if you disagree with him.

Either way, he will make you think in a way that Thagard article in Psychology Today doesn't.

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Reply #72 - Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:58pm

Bertie wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2021 at 3:51pm:

You will learn a lot more from Petersen than from Thagard.
Petersen's lectures on the Bible, which I recommended, take a rationalist, scientific view and also take literature, myths and biblical exegesis seriously. He has read Jung and Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky carefully. He is a scientist and not a propagandist of anything, you are not required to agree with him and you will not be deplatformed or ostracised if you disagree with him.

Either way, he will make you think in a way that Thagard article in Psychology Today doesn't.

I'd need some specific points to discuss with him, eg his views on a one-party meritocracy cf adversarial two party democracy.

I recall being repelled by his political stance (a decade ago), but I don't recall why.

Eg I reject elevating individual rights above community development......I'm almost certain he rejects that stance.

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Reply #73 - Jul 4^th, 2021 at 5:23pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:58pm:

Bertie wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2021 at 3:51pm:

You will learn a lot more from Petersen than from Thagard.
Petersen's lectures on the Bible, which I recommended, take a rationalist, scientific view and also take literature, myths and biblical exegesis seriously. He has read Jung and Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky carefully. He is a scientist and not a propagandist of anything, you are not required to agree with him and you will not be deplatformed or ostracised if you disagree with him.

Either way, he will make you think in a way that Thagard article in Psychology Today doesn't.

I'd need some specific points to discuss with him, eg his views on a one-party meritocracy cf adversarial two party democracy.

I recall being repelled by his political stance (a decade ago), but I don't recall why.

Eg I reject elevating individual rights above community development......I'm almost certain he rejects that stance.

Yes, I imagine he would reject it because it is a false dichotomy. Individual rights and freedoms are good because they benefit everyone ("community development"). Oppresing individuality for the collective is not development.

Importantly, not everything in life is a political struggle for the collective or against it even if Communist parties frame existence like that. Life is a lot sweeter than that.

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Reply #74 - Jul 4^th, 2021 at 5:27pm

Bertie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 5:52pm:

He is a clinical psychologist who has read Jung, Milton, Nietzsche, Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Solzhenitsyn and a lot of neuroscience and literature.
He is speaking to young people who can't get enough of the stuff because they never hear it in school or uni.

He's an over educated junkie with a chip on his shoulder who preaches to the converted.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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